The German Church needs to be put to the question

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11:33a, 12/26/25


Whomever was responsible for this absolute sham needs to be excommunicated; it looks like something demonic. It's apparently a guy wrapped in some sort of flesh appearing blanket, but it looks like a demon.

It is unfortunately not AI.

You can see it in the broadcast from the church


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In reply to Severian the Torturer • 1:32p, 12/26/25
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Germany... My ancestors homeland. How can such a people produce such profound errors and yet also give us such beautiful baroque music?

Bach's Christmas oratorio (BWV 248):

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In reply to 747Ag • 1:38p, 12/26/25
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If France is the eldest daughter of the Church, Germany is her jealous sister.
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2:33p, 12/26/25
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The German Church went off the rails with the Synodal Way starting around 2019

The Church is in free fall there

Francis should have nipped it in the bud and kicked people to the curb, but he didn't have the stones

Or maybe he was sympathetic

Dunno, but here we are
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2:48p, 12/26/25
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Why is it always the Germans?
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In reply to Bob Lee • 2:54p, 12/26/25
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Bob Lee said:
Why is it always the Germans?


The Synodal Way set them into a strange spiral

Francis talked tough on occasion, but otherwise did diddly squat

Schism probably around the corner

https://catholicweekly.com.au/a-german-schism-is-coming/
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In reply to Captain Pablo • 3:42p, 12/26/25
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What were you expecting Pope Francis to do? Just curious.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 4:20p, 12/26/25
PabloSerna said:
What were you expecting Pope Francis to do? Just curious.


What did he do to Opus Dei? Or the proponents of the traditional liturgy?

Or the former Bishop of Tyler?
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In reply to PabloSerna • 4:52p, 12/26/25
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PabloSerna said:
What were you expecting Pope Francis to do? Just curious.


See Strickland

Some purges are more justified than others, right?



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In reply to Severian the Torturer • 5:39p, 12/26/25
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Humble brag.

Saw +Strickland last week. He was headed to a neighbors house for a Christmas party. Said hello, he looked good. No subway but strong ankles.
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In reply to Captain Pablo • 7:58p, 12/26/25
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Captain Pablo said:
PabloSerna said:
What were you expecting Pope Francis to do? Just curious.


See Strickland

Some purges are more justified than others, right?


Just goes to show that Rome can act swiftly when they want to. "Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?"
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In reply to PabloSerna • 7:19a, 12/27/25
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PabloSerna said:
What were you expecting Pope Francis to do? Just curious.


Maybe spend as much energy correcting actual heretics as he did going after people just because they had traditional Catholic values?
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In reply to HtownAg19 • 2:55p, 12/27/25
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Was it really the values though or something else?
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In reply to Severian the Torturer • 2:56p, 12/27/25
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Opus Dei… How long did that take?
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In reply to PabloSerna • 3:03p, 12/27/25
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Opus Dei… How long did that take?


4-5 years at the longest; 18 months at the shortest.
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In reply to Severian the Torturer • 10:21a, 12/28/25
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Is that what ChatGPT came up with? I remember Opus Dei from High School. It's much older. The history goes back much farther than your timeline.

I think you are new to Catholic Church as I recall, maybe I'm wrong. However, it has been my experience that the Church moves slow. The TLM is a case in point, going back some 50+ years before a more definitive statement was issued. It is still allowed mind you, but the emphasis is on the Novus Ordo, still in infancy in comparison to earlier rites. Give it time. It will work out the kinks. It always does.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 12:29p, 12/28/25
PabloSerna said:
Is that what ChatGPT came up with? I remember Opus Dei from High School. It's much older. The history goes back much farther than your timeline.

I think you are new to Catholic Church as I recall, maybe I'm wrong. However, it has been my experience that the Church moves slow. The TLM is a case in point, going back some 50+ years before a more definitive statement was issued. It is still allowed mind you, but the emphasis is on the Novus Ordo, still in infancy in comparison to earlier rites. Give it time. It will work out the kinks. It always does.


Yes you are wrong. I am also a cooperator with Opus Dei.
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In reply to Severian the Torturer • 1:02p, 12/29/25
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Maybe the reports of human trafficking, physical, and mental abuse might have something to do with it? There is a lot out there to sift through. Can you chime in on why complying with the stated reforms are so problematic for Opus Dei to meet?

Since you have some history with the organization, is this more of an apostolate and not so much a sanctioned religious order like the Franciscans? I see that they were founded in 1928. Seems like for some time all was well until it wasn't. That may explain the action taken by the Vatican. In any event, this is an apple to the orange that is going on in Germany.
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In reply to Captain Pablo • 1:14p, 12/29/25
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It may come to that. I recall Pope Francis saying that the Synodal movement in Germany was not same as the Synodal conference going on at the Vatican. That essentially undercut the German movement because it gave the opposition a way out immediately. What ended up happening was far less than expected.

I mentioned above, the church moves slow. There doesn't seem to be any reason to stifle the German Synodal way for now. It has no ecclesiastical backing like the one at the Vatican 2023-2024. This type of freedom to meet and discuss is not looked down upon- it just doesn't happen very fast if at all.

It may not mean anything to non-Catholics, however, the Vatican II reforms can trace their foundations back 100 years and some 1000+. The earliest churches were large homes and not basilicas.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 1:26p, 12/29/25
PabloSerna said:
Maybe the reports of human trafficking, physical, and mental abuse might have something to do with it? There is a lot out there to sift through. Can you chime in on why complying with the stated reforms are so problematic for Opus Dei to meet?

Since you have some history with the organization, is this more of an apostolate and not so much a sanctioned religious order like the Franciscans? I see that they were founded in 1928. Seems like for some time all was well until it wasn't. That may explain the action taken by the Vatican. In any event, this is an apple to the orange that is going on in Germany.

Can you chime in on why complying with the teachings of the church is so hard for the German church? You're deflecting the conversation into whether or not Opus Dei deserved to be punished; that topic isn't germane for the moment.

The topic at hand is that the Vatican clearly has no problem exercising their authority when necessary; given the wanton heresy coming from the German church; why haven't we seen a proportionate response?
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In reply to Severian the Torturer • 6:35a, 12/30/25
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Why does the German Church act in the way it does? They have their reasons and are led by some high level clerics. It doesn't mean they will sway anything going on in Rome. Maybe the question is why does it bother some that they exist at all? How many of us have children who lean a little too far one way or the other are still members of the family? Should we kick them out as well?

I recall a certain Dominican friar, Matthew Fox, had recently been expelled from the Order after years of controversial teachings, much of which went directly against the teachings of Church in various areas.

I asked our spiritual advisor then why did it take so long for that to happen when it was so clear that Fox was teaching heresy? His response was exactly what you see here, that the Church moves slow, in this case 10-15 years. In fact the Order moved slower, he was only expelled after disobeying orders from the Master General. He essentially expelled himself.
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11:32a, 12/30/25
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Desecrating a church or altar is nothing new. Been happening for quite some time. If you read on past this shocking news, the archdiocese has issued an apology and are working on amends. To ascribe this to a whole country is a bit of an oversimplification.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 11:37a, 12/30/25
PabloSerna said:
Why does the German Church act in the way it does? They have their reasons and are led by some high level clerics. It doesn't mean they will sway anything going on in Rome. Maybe the question is why does it bother some that they exist at all? How many of us have children who lean a little too far one way or the other are still members of the family? Should we kick them out as well?

I recall a certain Dominican friar, Matthew Fox, had recently been expelled from the Order after years of controversial teachings, much of which went directly against the teachings of Church in various areas.

I asked our spiritual advisor then why did it take so long for that to happen when it was so clear that Fox was teaching heresy? His response was exactly what you see here, that the Church moves slow, in this case 10-15 years. In fact the Order moved slower, he was only expelled after disobeying orders from the Master General. He essentially expelled himself.

Pablo, can you at least have the honesty to admit that you actually don't care about what the teachings of the church are? You bloviate on and on and on about what the encyclicals and foundational documents of Vatican II say, but when the German church blatantly disregards more recently and pointed encyclicals it's just "leaning a little too far one way".

What did Fiducia Supplicans say about giving a blessing to gay couples? What is the German Church doing? Why isn't that as big of an issue with you as all the other stuff you rail against constantly?

Answer: Because you like the idea of giving a blessing to gay couples
Add on Answer: Because you're a hypocrit
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In reply to Severian the Torturer • 12:17p, 12/30/25
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If this is about me then I don't have a problem answering your questions one by one. But this started off as the German Church must be put to the question kind of thing.

You ask if I take serious what the teachings of the Catholic Church are? I would say maybe more than ever. I have a lot to learn and I am glad that I continue my faith formation as a professed son of St. Dominic going on 25+ years. That is no lightweight statement.

You ask what did Fiducia Supplicans say about blessing couples (gay or otherwise non sacramental) it was meant for individuals. Can they stand together? Is that what bothers you? Then you can answer that for yourself.

Am I a hypocrite? I will leave that up Christ. I try to love my neighbor as myself and do good unto others as I would have them do unto me. I don't come here to puff out- but you ask.

I do think you highlight an issue the church has been dealing with for some time- how to witness the truth of God to a people so caught up in a world that is void of the teachings of Christ. Is rapping from the pulpit useful? Hard to say. For many not at all. Maybe for that one person it was. Who knows? I am constantly reminded that no one has a monopoly on the mission. While I have theological differences with Jehovah Witness, I am in awe of their zeal- bravo! I wish I could be as dedicated.

Don't let the good work of others cause you to become bitter. Instead, do the good work Christ has placed in front of you in your time and your place.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 12:32p, 12/30/25
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If this is about me then I don't have a problem answering your questions one by one. But this started off as the German Church must be put to the question kind of thing.

You ask if I take serious what the teachings of the Catholic Church are? I would say maybe more than ever. I have a lot to learn and I am glad that I continue my faith formation as a professed son of St. Dominic going on 25+ years. That is no lightweight statement.

You ask what did Fiducia Supplicans say about blessing couples (gay or otherwise non sacramental) it was meant for individuals. Can they stand together? Is that what bothers you? Then you can answer that for yourself.

Am I a hypocrite? I will leave that up Christ. I try to love my neighbor as myself and do good unto others as I would have them do unto me. I don't come here to puff out- but you ask.

I do think you highlight an issue the church has been dealing with for some time- how to witness the truth of God to a people so caught up in a world that is void of the teachings of Christ. Is rapping from the pulpit useful? Hard to say. For many not at all. Maybe for that one person it was. Who knows? I am constantly reminded that no one has a monopoly on the mission. While I have theological differences with Jehovah Witness, I am in awe of their zeal- bravo! I wish I could be as dedicated.

Don't let the good work of others cause you to become bitter. Instead, do the good work Christ has placed in front of you in your time and your place.

The German Bishop's Conference, last April in a document entitled "Blessings for Couples who love each other" specifically permitted the blessing of Gay "marriages", and doubled down on it when questioned.

https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/german-bishop-defends-couples-blessing

This is completely contrary to Fiducia Supplicans. Why is this not an issue for you?
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In reply to Severian the Torturer • 4:22p, 12/30/25
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Severian the Torturer said:
PabloSerna said:
If this is about me then I don't have a problem answering your questions one by one. But this started off as the German Church must be put to the question kind of thing.

You ask if I take serious what the teachings of the Catholic Church are? I would say maybe more than ever. I have a lot to learn and I am glad that I continue my faith formation as a professed son of St. Dominic going on 25+ years. That is no lightweight statement.

You ask what did Fiducia Supplicans say about blessing couples (gay or otherwise non sacramental) it was meant for individuals. Can they stand together? Is that what bothers you? Then you can answer that for yourself.

Am I a hypocrite? I will leave that up Christ. I try to love my neighbor as myself and do good unto others as I would have them do unto me. I don't come here to puff out- but you ask.

I do think you highlight an issue the church has been dealing with for some time- how to witness the truth of God to a people so caught up in a world that is void of the teachings of Christ. Is rapping from the pulpit useful? Hard to say. For many not at all. Maybe for that one person it was. Who knows? I am constantly reminded that no one has a monopoly on the mission. While I have theological differences with Jehovah Witness, I am in awe of their zeal- bravo! I wish I could be as dedicated.

Don't let the good work of others cause you to become bitter. Instead, do the good work Christ has placed in front of you in your time and your place.

The German Bishop's Conference, last April in a document entitled "Blessings for Couples who love each other" specifically permitted the blessing of Gay "marriages", and doubled down on it when questioned.

https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/german-bishop-defends-couples-blessing

This is completely contrary to Fiducia Supplicans. Why is this not an issue for you?


Well Pablo says the Germans are just talking about stuff so no big deal

lol
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In reply to Severian the Torturer • 12:46p, 12/31/25
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I think you misunderstand my acknowledgement that the church moves slow on these type of matters as agreeing with them- I don't. I have said multiple times there is no such thing as gay marriage.
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