Pope affirms Fiducia Supplicans, objects to formal blessings

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Says the Vatican still objects to rogue Germans

"Leo told reporters on the plane, "The Holy See has already spoken to the German bishops. The Holy See has made it clear that we do not agree with the formalized blessing of homosexual couples or couples in irregular situations, beyond what was specifically allowed by Pope Francis, saying: all people receive blessings"

I'll try to find the video

https://www.lifesitenews.com/analysis/pope-leo-xiv-affirms-informal-blessing-for-homosexual-couples-and-downplays-sexual-sin/?utm_source=FB&fbclid=IwdGRleARYm95leHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAo2NjI4NTY4Mzc5AAEecfq7NQyzXHFghIdTU9X0Y20roMPcn2G1YjMDvN7LJoogIKmhQutfGQ5JAMY_aem_q__sBLqAmlCbs09F5q9oiA
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About the 30 second mark
PabloSerna
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To no one's surprise. The church has only begun to move away from "disordered" to persons having same sex attraction, to informal blessings. Formalizing this into a rite would be much too soon.

In my opinion, the German Catholic Church tends to skip past all the rest of the Catholic world and want to formalize a rite for LGBT Catholics. I will say that they too recognize that this is NOT marriage. That may seem trivial to some, but it is not since Holy Matrimony is a sacrament.

Interesting that Pope Leo is reaffirming the teaching which may be something? We shall see.
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Bishop Strickland: Synod report on homosexuality a 'direct assault' on Catholic teaching

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/bishop-strickland-synod-report-on-homosexuality-a-direct-assault-on-catholic-teaching/?utm_source=lsncathfb&fbclid=IwdGRleARrHKhleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAo2NjI4NTY4Mzc5AAEe9eyir9jFmG4_2RxXAkDRD1usFuO6LJo4hCXn0TfNQ8l11SNEEM7KTtYtbqU_aem_Is40TQP7i-G5fnQzGubQFw
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PabloSerna said:

To no one's surprise. The church has only begun to move away from "disordered" to persons having same sex attraction, to informal blessings. Formalizing this into a rite would be much too soon.

In my opinion, the German Catholic Church tends to skip past all the rest of the Catholic world and want to formalize a rite for LGBT Catholics. I will say that they too recognize that this is NOT marriage. That may seem trivial to some, but it is not since Holy Matrimony is a sacrament.

Interesting that Pope Leo is reaffirming the teaching which may be something? We shall see.


Interesting that you characterize Germany's actions as "too soon", rather than "wrong", "erroneous", "schismatic", etc

It's not that they did anything wrong, they just jumped the gun

You assume that the Church will eventually "come around" to where Germany is today, and even beyond.

Isn't it also possible that the Church does the opposite, reaffirms section 2357 and keeps it as is?
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It won't ever be marriage because marriage is clearly defined in scripture as between a man and a woman.

In my opinion, there will likely be some path for persons who are same sex attracted and in love with someone that they want to share the rest of their life with and be fully within the life of the church. I don't know what that path looks like, for now it is a blessing.

John 9 is in my opinion the basis for this path. We read how Jesus explains to the apostles that the man born blind neither sinned nor did his parents. His condition was for the glory of God.

I'm not the only person tracking this, scripture has been twisted before as when some interpret sexual violence as the same as a loving same sex relationship.

We live in a time where more people are coming to understand their sexual orientation as a gift instead of a sin. The problem we have is that we have understood human sexuality only through a heterosexual lens.

ETA: I have read the testimony from the USA. Very compelling and an insight that sheds light on where the previous approaches, like conversion therapy fall short. No surprise that Bishop Strickland would object.
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PabloSerna said:



In my opinion, there will likely be some path for persons who are same sex attracted and in love with someone that they want to share the rest of their life with and be fully within the life of the church. I don't know what that path looks like, for now it is a blessing.


What path do you foresee? Genuinely interested in what you are getting at.
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PabloSerna said:

It won't ever be marriage because marriage is clearly defined in scripture as between a man and a woman.

In my opinion, there will likely be some path for persons who are same sex attracted and in love with someone that they want to share the rest of their life with and be fully within the life of the church. I don't know what that path looks like, for now it is a blessing.

John 9 is in my opinion the basis for this path. We read how Jesus explains to the apostles that the man born blind neither sinned nor did his parents. His condition was for the glory of God.

I'm not the only person tracking this, scripture has been twisted before as when some interpret sexual violence as the same as a loving same sex relationship.

We live in a time where more people are coming to understand their sexual orientation as a gift instead of a sin. The problem we have is that we have understood human sexuality only through a heterosexual lens.

ETA: I have read the testimony from the USA. Very compelling and an insight that sheds light on where the previous approaches, like conversion therapy fall short. No surprise that Bishop Strickland would object.


What is a 'heterosexual lens' and where can I find the church fathers discussing it? Or aquinas? Or anyone prior to the last 50 years? Did God give us a bad translation in Genesis that Jesus subsequently quotes in the gospels?
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