Says the Vatican still objects to rogue Germans

"Leo told reporters on the plane, "The Holy See has already spoken to the German bishops. The Holy See has made it clear that we do not agree with the formalized blessing of homosexual couples or couples in irregular situations, beyond what was specifically allowed by Pope Francis, saying: all people receive blessings"

I'll try to find the video

https://www.lifesitenews.com/analysis/pope-leo-xiv-affirms-informal-blessing-for-homosexual-couples-and-downplays-sexual-sin/?utm_source=FB&fbclid=IwdGRleARYm95leHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAo2NjI4NTY4Mzc5AAEecfq7NQyzXHFghIdTU9X0Y20roMPcn2G1YjMDvN7LJoogIKmhQutfGQ5JAMY_aem_q__sBLqAmlCbs09F5q9oiA

About the 30 second mark

To no one's surprise. The church has only begun to move away from "disordered" to persons having same sex attraction, to informal blessings. Formalizing this into a rite would be much too soon.

In my opinion, the German Catholic Church tends to skip past all the rest of the Catholic world and want to formalize a rite for LGBT Catholics. I will say that they too recognize that this is NOT marriage. That may seem trivial to some, but it is not since Holy Matrimony is a sacrament.

Interesting that Pope Leo is reaffirming the teaching which may be something? We shall see.

It won't ever be marriage because marriage is clearly defined in scripture as between a man and a woman.

In my opinion, there will likely be some path for persons who are same sex attracted and in love with someone that they want to share the rest of their life with and be fully within the life of the church. I don't know what that path looks like, for now it is a blessing.

John 9 is in my opinion the basis for this path. We read how Jesus explains to the apostles that the man born blind neither sinned nor did his parents. His condition was for the glory of God.

I'm not the only person tracking this, scripture has been twisted before as when some interpret sexual violence as the same as a loving same sex relationship.

We live in a time where more people are coming to understand their sexual orientation as a gift instead of a sin. The problem we have is that we have understood human sexuality only through a heterosexual lens.

ETA: I have read the testimony from the USA. Very compelling and an insight that sheds light on where the previous approaches, like conversion therapy fall short. No surprise that Bishop Strickland would object.

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In my opinion, there will likely be some path for persons who are same sex attracted and in love with someone that they want to share the rest of their life with and be fully within the life of the church. I don't know what that path looks like, for now it is a blessing.

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What path do you foresee? Genuinely interested in what you are getting at.

The apostles grappled with a similar situation, as I see it, whether to circumcise new gentile converts or not. The church has a history of refining without losing the essence of revealed truth.

For sure it won't be sacramental. I will elaborate later as my kid has practice and we need to leave. (Dad stop typing!)

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The apostles grappled with a similar situation, as I see it, whether to circumcise new gentile converts or not. The church has a history of refining without losing the essence of revealed truth.

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'As you see it'? What weight does that carry in Christendom?

Pablo, I love how much you care for the downtrodden. I think you're coming from a good place. I type the rest of this in an attempt to caution you to not let your empathetic inclinations lead you into falsehood.

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In my opinion, there will likely be some path for persons who are same sex attracted and in love with someone that they want to share the rest of their life with and be fully within the life of the church. I don't know what that path looks like, for now it is a blessing.

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Sodomy is a sin. It's a sin for you in your marriage and me in mine just as much as it is for homosexuals. What sort of path forward are you hoping for when the physical act they are engage in is a sin in all situations?

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I'm not the only person tracking this, scripture has been twisted before as when some interpret sexual violence as the same as a loving same sex relationship.

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You are using twisted interpretations of scriptures to say scripture has been twisted. Trent Horn is excellent on this point, specifically 1 Corinthians 6. If this is describing a violent or coercive sexual act, then why is the one who is being coerced or treated violently equally condemned to never inherit the Kingdom of Heaven? Are they to blame for their victim status?

Also, there were multiple Roman Emperors that were "married" to other men. The idea of a loving same sex relationship was not foreign to biblical times. It's revisionist history to say otherwise.

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Leo was clear: homosexual "couples" are not blessed. Persons are allowed blessing, even if in sinful relationships. But the relationship itself is NOT allowed a blessing.

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We read how Jesus explains to the apostles that the man born blind neither sinned nor did his parents

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I know I've said this to you multiple times, so I doubt this time will be different, but I do hope it resonates with you. If not you, then then maybe it will for other readers. People are NOT born gay. Genetics studies show there is minimal genetic contribution to sexuality. It is a nurture issue, not nature. The nurture issues that lead to homosexual inclinations have been noted frequently.

I know you are incredibly resistant to this fact, but it stands nonetheless. I'd fraternally challenge you to look into this. The studies are available. The interviews with people who used to live homosexual lifestyles are all over the internet. If you are truly open minded to viewing this issue through different lenses, please look into their testimony. Hear about the brokenness that led to their sexual inclinations and listen to them as they speak about the healing they received when they understood what really happened to them. Who is more equipped to discuss the issue than a person who has lived on both sides of it?

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The apostles grappled with a similar situation, as I see it, whether to circumcise new gentile converts or not. The church has a history of refining without losing the essence of revealed truth.

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They correctly applied the pre-existing laws regarding gentiles living in Israel to how gentiles would need to live, see Leviticus.

What pre-existing teaching does FS reference about same sex couples?