SpaceX and other space news updates

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I dunno. My guess is he'd be making an announced request for something like a 30 percent across the board budget cut for discretionary executive agency/department spending, maybe with some exceptions like defense.

If we cut back on climate/SLS spending, and some other overhead silliness at nasa, and also focused on mars instead of the moon, science/planetary exploration might still not get a net budget cut, especially if the 'prize money' for instance is allocated outside of the nasa budget. Planetary science after all is less than 15 percent of NASA's budget, and earth science is nearly the same size. We can't responsibly cut astrophysics, of course. The Exploration budget is dominated by SLS, and is overall something like 25% of the total nasa budget.

But that's all just speculation/guesswork, almost certainly wrong. The Boeing statement to employees is portentous of SLS being cancelled at least, though.
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nortex97 said:

I dunno. My guess is he'd be making an announced request for something like a 30 percent across the board budget cut for discretionary executive agency/department spending, maybe with some exceptions like defense.

If we cut back on climate/SLS spending, and some other overhead silliness at nasa, and also focused on mars instead of the moon, science/planetary exploration might still not get a net budget cut, especially if the 'prize money' for instance is allocated outside of the nasa budget. Planetary science after all is less than 15 percent of NASA's budget, and earth science is nearly the same size. We can't responsibly cut astrophysics, of course. The Exploration budget is dominated by SLS, and is overall something like 25% of the total nasa budget.

But that's all just speculation/guesswork, almost certainly wrong. The Boeing statement to employees is portentous of SLS being cancelled at least, though.
I've argued most of my career that the only way for NASA to achieve it's full potential is triple the budget or cut it by 75%. Making NASA really lean is the only way to cut the fat in the bureaucracy. I don't mean that there is a lot of true waste or abuse, just that it can takes engineers months to get approval to make changes due to the numerous working groups, panels, and boards required to approve such changes.

At one point early in my flight controller career the ISS crew started complaining about Norton Antivirus pop-ups interfering with their use of a laptop computer. We didn't have the ability to remote into those computers back then so we asked the crew for a picture of the pop-up message. It appeared that the engineers forgot to activate the Norton Antivirus license before they burned the disk image for that computer.

I put a procedure together to instruct the crew in how to obtain the product ID #. I then called Symantec, gave them my personal credit card, and $29.99 later I had the activation code.

I was still a back room controller so I wasn't running our console and my front room controller got cold feet and asked engineering to confirm we had the right activation code before proceeding.

Eleven and a half months later… engineering approved activating the anti-virus license. In that meeting I informed Engineering that as soon as we activate the license we will get new pop-ups notifying the crew that the virus definitions files are out of date but that I had given the flight controllers who update the virus definition files on other onboard computers the file path to the update folder on our computer so they could include it in the weekly file updates.

Engineering lost their collective **** because virus definition files include .DLL files which are executables and they didn't have the budget to re-certify the software load every week. I laughed in their faces and called them idiots. These updates had already been approved by another engineering branch for other laptops on ISS and they didn't have to recertify their computers every week. I got some song and dance about how the requirements for their computers must have been different, bla, bla bla…

This story is long enough, but we never did get new definition files on that computer before it was decommissioned. I've got even stupider examples of otherwise smart people getting in the way of actual work but they're far more technical than can be easily explained here.

Anyway, after fighting the system as a contractor for 27 years, I took a civil service position 4 weeks ago. If there is a reduction in staffing, I'll be one of the first to exit since I'm still well within the 1 year probationary period.

I love operations and the broader mission at NASA so I'll be disappointed if I'm a casualty for DOGE but I'll be even more disappointed if NASA doesn't take this opportunity to restructure itself and make itself more agile and adaptive to changing technologies like our commercial counterparts (SpaceX).

I've spent a lot of time in Hawthorn and got to observe Elon for a few hours while he took up residence at a console in their mission control next to the one I was working at. SpaceX has the purest meritocracy I've ever observed and I wish I would have had the opportunity to test myself in that environment when I was younger.
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Not NASA but on the budget front I've heard that the USSF might be seeing a sizable increase in its budget.
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lb3 said:

nortex97 said:

I dunno. My guess is he'd be making an announced request for something like a 30 percent across the board budget cut for discretionary executive agency/department spending, maybe with some exceptions like defense.

If we cut back on climate/SLS spending, and some other overhead silliness at nasa, and also focused on mars instead of the moon, science/planetary exploration might still not get a net budget cut, especially if the 'prize money' for instance is allocated outside of the nasa budget. Planetary science after all is less than 15 percent of NASA's budget, and earth science is nearly the same size. We can't responsibly cut astrophysics, of course. The Exploration budget is dominated by SLS, and is overall something like 25% of the total nasa budget.

But that's all just speculation/guesswork, almost certainly wrong. The Boeing statement to employees is portentous of SLS being cancelled at least, though.
I've argued most of my career that the only way for NASA to achieve it's full potential is triple the budget or cut it by 75%. Making NASA really lean is the only way to cut the fat in the bureaucracy. I don't mean that there is a lot of true waste or abuse, just that it can takes engineers months to get approval to make changes due to the numerous working groups, panels, and boards required to approve such changes.

At one point early in my flight controller career the ISS crew started complaining about Norton Antivirus pop-ups interfering with their use of a laptop computer. We didn't have the ability to remote into those computers back then so we asked the crew for a picture of the pop-up message. It appeared that the engineers forgot to activate the Norton Antivirus license before they burned the disk image for that computer.

I put a procedure together to instruct the crew in how to obtain the product ID #. I then called Symantec, gave them my personal credit card, and $29.99 later I had the activation code.

I was still a back room controller so I wasn't running our console and my front room controller got cold feet and asked engineering to confirm we had the right activation code before proceeding.

Eleven and a half months later… engineering approved activating the anti-virus license. In that meeting I informed Engineering that as soon as we activate the license we will get new pop-ups notifying the crew that the virus definitions files are out of date but that I had given the flight controllers who update the virus definition files on other onboard computers the file path to the update folder on our computer so they could include it in the weekly file updates.

Engineering lost their collective **** because virus definition files include .DLL files which are executables and they didn't have the budget to re-certify the software load every week. I laughed in their faces and called them idiots. These updates had already been approved by another engineering branch for other laptops on ISS and they didn't have to recertify their computers every week. I got some song and dance about how the requirements for their computers must have been different, bla, bla bla…

This story is long enough, but we never did get new definition files on that computer before it was decommissioned. I've got even stupider examples of otherwise smart people getting in the way of actual work but they're far more technical than can be easily explained here.

Anyway, after fighting the system as a contractor for 27 years, I took a civil service position 4 weeks ago. If there is a reduction in staffing, I'll be one of the first to exit since I'm still well within the 1 year probationary period.

I love operations and the broader mission at NASA so I'll be disappointed if I'm a casualty for DOGE but I'll be even more disappointed if NASA doesn't take this opportunity to restructure itself and make itself more agile and adaptive to changing technologies like our commercial counterparts (SpaceX).

I've spent a lot of time in Hawthorn and got to observe Elon for a few hours while he took up residence at a console in their mission control next to the one I was working at. SpaceX has the purest meritocracy I've ever observed and I wish I would have had the opportunity to test myself in that environment when I was younger.

The transition of NASA from what it was during the Mercury/Gemini/Apollo days to what it has become in the shuttle/ISS period and beyond is a cautionary tale of what happens to unchecked government bureaucracies. NASA procurement and contract management makes DoD purchasing look blindingly efficient. NASA itself should become much smaller, with just the minimum number of technical and contract specialists necessary to oversee contracts with vendors doing work on performance based contracts. They are not doing anything that can't be accomplished cheaper and faster by the private sector these days.
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Such a cool angle

nortex97
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Haven't listened yet.
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15% occupied Nasa HQ in DC should rightfully move to at least one of the three (TX/AL/FL) considered alternatives, I'd think. Even with return to the office, a move to decentralize government functions from DC makes a lot of sense.

That said, it would make more sense to relocate after coming out with the 2026 budget request in a few months (and presumably ending SLS). The lobbyist sector won't like it, but it's a reality that Nasa is not gaining anything organizationally/tangibly from having a DC HQ.
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nortex97 said:

Haven't listened yet.

The audio at 42:35 sounds ridiculous. I wonder what original source he got that from.
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Booster static fire yesterday


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It's incredible how fast that gimble operates and how well it's controlled. Necessary to control such a large, inherently unstable vehicle.
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I know it is YUGE, and has a lot of mass... but DAMN that thing lumbers off the pad. Seems like it takes forever to get going.



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So how do they control the gimbal of the engines? What is the mechanism? That has to get telemetry data and instantly input it to make the engine move. What is the ROM? How much of the actual engine moves? I've seen plenty of pictures of the engines on pallets and they don't seem like they could have any pivot points so I'm assuming the entire engine moves.

Hadn't really thought about it before but it's really cool.
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Compared to New Glenn, Starship practically leaps off the pad. New Glenn lumbers. Saturn 5 was practically rooted to the ground.
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No, I don't care what CNN or MSNBC said this time
Ad Lunam
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56 second long static fire last night for Ship 34.

https://www.youtube.com/live/z2ExgpezyuE?si=WCuXYrs_Fa8vlbsL&t=4631

Can't wait for the SpaceX closeups

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Sea Speed said:

So how do they control the gimbal of the engines? What is the mechanism? That has to get telemetry data and instantly input it to make the engine move. What is the ROM? How much of the actual engine moves? I've seen plenty of pictures of the engines on pallets and they don't seem like they could have any pivot points so I'm assuming the entire engine moves.

Hadn't really thought about it before but it's really cool.
The entire engine moves on it's X & Y or Pitch and Yaw axis. Scroll back through Everyday Astronauts videos when he gets a Starbase tour from Elonn (I think it was a 2 video series) and there is a portion in one of the videos where Elon points at it.

Well if memory serves Elon and Everyday were standing basically where this photo was taken. You can see the cylinders for the gimballing on engine 32 in the center and a few others. The green pistons with their silver colored cylinder on top. You can see them on 25 to the left and the engine behind 32 as well.
These are Raptor V2s
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This video shows how the engines gimbal and the change from hydraulic to electric control:

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That's awesome, thank you both.
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What happens to Boca Chica?
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So, is Elon also now going to be a Mayor?
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The static fires are cool!
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nortex97 said:

So, is Elon also now going to be a Mayor?

He doesn't want the demotion.
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Quote:

News of the impending cuts has sparked concern among Blue Origin employees, with many blindsided by the announcement. One employee captured the mood of the workforce, stating, "Tomorrow will be a sore day. A red day. And the sun rises."

A Blue Origin employee pointed to potential overstaffing issues, saying, "Over hired. Bloated internally. I did hear they don't want people working more, so it's not a squeeze to get more hours for free. But honestly, I'm just waiting to see what happens like the rest of us."

For some employees, the lack of prior warning has been particularly jarring. "The vibe at work last night was rough...we were all sideswiped by this. I had no clue... I'm worried [my team] might be less than 30 after today."

Morale, which has already been shaken, is expected to take a hard hit with one employee expressing disappointment over the timing of the layoffs, given the ambitious projects still in the pipeline. "Morale is going to be low. Which sucks because we have some amazing work ahead of us"
He's quoting Theoden King here, but the actual quote is "...a sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises!"

Honestly this has been a long time coming for BO, but I'm hopeful this restructuring means a stronger focus on launch cadence.
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Kansas Kid said:

nortex97 said:

So, is Elon also now going to be a Mayor?

He doesn't want the demotion.
Mary can be Mayor!
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Kansas Kid said:

nortex97 said:

So, is Elon also now going to be a Mayor?

He doesn't want the demotion.
Haven't you heard? He's already President!
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I thought she refused the spacex buyout and was not on their "good side". Maybe not, the soap opera wore me out.
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