***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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Waffledynamics
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Were they in a coma for the last 3 years and thought that would still work?
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Waffledynamics said:

Were they in a coma for the last 3 years and thought that would still work?


Hopefully they remain stubborn in their approach.

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PJYoung said:

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Results of Ukraine's defense:

Personnel: 107 Russians KIA, 51 WIA.
Vehicles destroyed/damaged: 1 armored recovery vehicle (ARV), 3 tanks, 16 AFVs, plus 41 motorcycles and 2 light vehicles.

The assault came in several waves from multiple directions: motorcycle groups first, then tank/AFV columns with infantry. Thanks to pre-laid minefields and coordinated actions by Ukrainian artillery (AFU & National Guard) and UAV crews, Russia was forced to reroute, lost orientation, abandoned vehicles, and dropped infantry in unplanned areas.

Volodymyrivka: Russia managed to land 32 infantry; 12 were eliminated immediately, the rest hid in ruined houses and basements. In the evening and night, heavy bomber UAV crews struck those shelters.

By the morning of Oct 10, no Russian infantry movement remained in Volodymyrivka.



Gotta reach that 500 dead daily number somehow. Might as well throw some armor in there too.

Fetal alcohol syndrome and its effects on an alcoholic society are terrifying.
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What is Putins problem?

What is he doing this *****
Why does he want war, destruction, death ?

Just over land? This isn't the 1920s or 1940s?

Just can't be peaceful.
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Teslag
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Why are you just now realizing this? This is who Putin has always been.
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I'll believe it when I see it.

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Rossticus
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annie88 said:

What is Putins problem?

What is he doing this *****
Why does he want war, destruction, death ?

Just over land? This isn't the 1920s or 1940s?

Just can't be peaceful.


Land, resources, people, wealth… Peoples and territories that he feels Russia has a historical right of subjugation over. This is why he and his ilk make such a stink over NATO. Because NATO membership effectively prevents him from doing what he's previously done in Georgia and is currently doing in Ukraine. Ukraine decided that they had a more prosperous outlook aligning with the EU and NATO than being a perpetual Russian vassal. And that's unacceptable.

This has been his M.O. since he came to power. Finishing off Chechnya, compromising Georgia, Transnistria/Moldova, his slow creep to ensure that Ukraine follows the Belarusian model and subsequent incitement of Russian backed separatists in Donbas and retaking of Crimea…

Putin prefers to control via corruption and political subversion but has no particular aversion to resorting to death and destruction if you refuse to give him what he wants.

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Waffledynamics said:

Christ that's scary.


Try this on for size… watch to the end…

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Kyiv getting hammered.

"Overnight Russian missile and drone strikes have caused power cuts in large parts of Ukraine's capital, Kyiv, and eight other regions. Kyiv's authorities said power was later restored to 466,000 consumers in the city - but more than 300,000 were still without electricity."

RAIDS
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They should dub in the eeeaarrrrrr sounds on these.
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Putin is now alternating between threats and placation as he tries to influence Trump's decision on providing Tomahawks to Ukraine.

Even if the decision is made to send the cruise missiles, it will likely be a long time until Ukraine also gets some sort of surface launcher to employ them.

With the advent of Ukraine's own long-range Flamingo cruise missile, it's an open question whether the very expensive Tomahawk squeeze will be worth the operational juice to Kyiv.

But the political benefit of Tomahawk further driving in the growing wedge between Trump and Putin may be what Kyiv is really after.

TOMAHAWK
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Teslag said:

Why are you just now realizing this? This is who Putin has always been.

No, I'm not just realizing this, but the guy was in power for a while then he wasn't then he was back and it just seems like he's on some damn mission right now. I just don't get the advantage here. I mean all these dead people, destroyed buildings, etc. It is ****ing 2025. But I guess this kind of **** is ingrained I mean look at the Middle East.

I visited Russia in 2012. And it was a lovely country. I never felt like I was in danger there, I never felt like people were gonna do weird **** although I guess they could have. I had some friends that traveled there in the 90s for business and had to have bodyguards, but I felt purely comfortable. The older people were very guarded the younger people not as much, but with the exception of the Cyrillic letters. In many places, you didn't really feel like you weren't in the United States the way the buildings and the cars and all the stores were.

But my question is what is at the heart of this. Is it just because he was KGB raised in Russia before the Cold War ended and this is what he thinks he needs to do? Does he really feel like he needs to do this to empower Russia? I mean, what is the endgame here?

Just more land and power regardless of how many people die?
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74OA
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It's been discussed endlessly here. Go back and look. It essentially boils down to Putin seeing the collapse of the USSR as a "catastrophe". He is determined to reconstitute Greater Russia by turning former Soviet lands back into vassal states. Belorussia is already subservient, as one major example, and Ukraine is next if Putin can get it done. And, yes, to Putin that historical fantasy is already worth well over a million Russian casualties with no sign of him flinching yet.

PUTIN
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Welcome to the last 4 years. I'm sorry you haven't been following it until now. Or at least realizing it.
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74OA said:

Putin is now alternating between threats and placation as he tries to influence Trump's decision on providing Tomahawks to Ukraine.

Even if the decision is made to send the cruise missiles, it will likely be a long time until Ukraine also gets some sort of surface launcher to employ them.

With the advent of Ukraine's own long-range Flamingo cruise missile, it's an open question whether the very expensive Tomahawk squeeze will be worth the operational juice to Kyiv.

But the political benefit of Tomahawk further driving in the growing wedge between Trump and Putin may be what Kyiv is really after.

TOMAHAWK

Whether or not we actually give them Tomahawks and let them use them as they should be used, this whole exercise of publicly talking about it and publicizing the newer variants of the Neptune and the coming Flamingo has to have Putin looking carefully at the speed he is capturing Ukrainian territory balanced against the speed with which he is losing his refining and petroleum export capabilities. He will run out of petrobucks and crash his economy long before he takes any more meaningful chunks of Ukrainian territory at the current pace those things are happening.
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No, I'm not just realizing this, but the guy was in power for a while then he wasn't then he was back and it just seems like he's on some damn mission right now. I just don't get the advantage here.

Putin appointed Dmitry Medvedev to serve as a proxy for Putin. He was a lackey.

  • Background to term limits: In 2020, Russia passed constitutional amendments that effectively reset Putin's term count, allowing him to run for two additional six-year terms beyond his previous tenure.
Putin was trying to "reset" his presidential time clock which was 6 years til they changed it again. Sound familiar?

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What about manpower? How many willing soldiers does he have and how reliable are ones that were basically enslaved to go to the frontlines? This has all been a terrible waste of resources.
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MaxPower said:

What about manpower? How many willing soldiers does he have and how reliable are ones that were basically enslaved to go to the frontlines? This has all been a terrible waste of resources.

Russia won't run out of cannon fodder any time soon. But he is closer to reaching the point where he will have to start mobilizing larger numbers of conscripts or trying harder to recruit in his developed areas closer to Moscow and St Pete. He has already done irrecoverable damage to his country's demographics, which were already a mess. He is going to struggle to staff his food and other industries going forward due to increasing demographic problems, which will only be made worse if he mobilizes and throws away another million troops.
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This war won't end.

Next to losing, Putin's next biggest threat begins when the war ends and the soldiers return home. Putin's best hope is they crawl into a bottle and never crawl out. Worst case is they overthrow his regime.
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Sorry you were wrong/confused Annie Putin had been playing the long game since Russia Annexed Georgia in 2008
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annie88
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74OA said:

It's been discussed endlessly here. Go back and look. It essentially boils down to Putin seeing the collapse of the USSR as a "catastrophe". He is determined to reconstitute Greater Russia by turning former Soviet lands back into vassal states. Belorussia is already subservient, as one major example, and Ukraine is next if Putin can get it done. And, yes, to Putin that historical fantasy is already worth well over a million Russian casualties with no sign of him flinching yet.

PUTIN

I'm sorry I haven't followed the thread like y'all have. Thanks for summarizing it. I just think the whole thing is so ****ing stupid.
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annie88 said:

74OA said:

It's been discussed endlessly here. Go back and look. It essentially boils down to Putin seeing the collapse of the USSR as a "catastrophe". He is determined to reconstitute Greater Russia by turning former Soviet lands back into vassal states. Belorussia is already subservient, as one major example, and Ukraine is next if Putin can get it done. And, yes, to Putin that historical fantasy is already worth well over a million Russian casualties with no sign of him flinching yet.

PUTIN

I'm sorry I haven't followed the thread like y'all have. Thanks for summarizing it. I just think the whole thing is so ****ing stupid.


It is stupid. It's insane. But Putin isn't going to stop until Russia owns Ukraine in totality or he's forced to stop. Doesn't appear to be much middle ground for him.
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Rossticus said:

annie88 said:

74OA said:

It's been discussed endlessly here. Go back and look. It essentially boils down to Putin seeing the collapse of the USSR as a "catastrophe". He is determined to reconstitute Greater Russia by turning former Soviet lands back into vassal states. Belorussia is already subservient, as one major example, and Ukraine is next if Putin can get it done. And, yes, to Putin that historical fantasy is already worth well over a million Russian casualties with no sign of him flinching yet.

PUTIN

I'm sorry I haven't followed the thread like y'all have. Thanks for summarizing it. I just think the whole thing is so ****ing stupid.


It is stupid. It's insane. But Putin isn't going to stop until Russia owns Ukraine in totality or he's forced to stop. Doesn't appear to be much middle ground for him.


Putin isn't going to stop until he takes and controls all of Ukraine or he dies. He's out committed here. I just don't see how he's forced to stop short of dying of natural causes or falling out of an 8th floor window. Failing one of those outcomes, he sends kids into the meat grinder forever.
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I'd prefer about a 3rd or 4th floor window. Make him suffer a bit before he dies.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/s/xr68hrwE8N
Russia lost a Mig 31 it appears
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Mathguy64 said:

Rossticus said:

annie88 said:

74OA said:

It's been discussed endlessly here. Go back and look. It essentially boils down to Putin seeing the collapse of the USSR as a "catastrophe". He is determined to reconstitute Greater Russia by turning former Soviet lands back into vassal states. Belorussia is already subservient, as one major example, and Ukraine is next if Putin can get it done. And, yes, to Putin that historical fantasy is already worth well over a million Russian casualties with no sign of him flinching yet.

PUTIN

I'm sorry I haven't followed the thread like y'all have. Thanks for summarizing it. I just think the whole thing is so ****ing stupid.


It is stupid. It's insane. But Putin isn't going to stop until Russia owns Ukraine in totality or he's forced to stop. Doesn't appear to be much middle ground for him.


Putin isn't going to stop until he takes and controls all of Ukraine or he dies. He's out committed here. I just don't see how he's forced to stop short of dying of natural causes or falling out of an 8th floor window. Failing one of those outcomes, he sends kids into the meat grinder forever.

The more the production and profits drop at places like Lukoil, Gazprom, and Rozneft, the more the incentive increases for somebody to make a move on Putin. As long as his oligarch buddies were making good money and we were protecting them by forbidding attacks on O&G sites, they had no incentive to be unhappy. Now that calculus may be changing.
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Quote:

Zelensky received signals during talks with Trump that the US is considering opportunities to strengthen cooperation with Ukraine. The president said that he discussed in detail with Trump the state of the energy sector and opportunities to strengthen air defense. According to him, Trump asked about the situation in Kyiv and other regions. He noted that Ukrainian energy has become a key topic of his international talks

https://liveuamap.com/en/2025/11-october-16-zelensky-received-signals-during-talks-with
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