Two Russian pilots ejecting into the ceiling due to a system malfunction. pic.twitter.com/KCpPQKaL7N
— Slava 🇺🇦 (@Heroiam_Slava) December 15, 2025
The American accented rescuers shouting in English didn't give it away?Who?mikejones! said:
Has the hallmarks of ai to me.
Ag with kids said:ABATTBQ11 said:AlaskanAg99 said:ABATTBQ11 said:shiftyandquick said:MouthBQ98 said:
The thread is about tactics and strategy and when strategy is being addressed in this static grinding stage of the war where tactics are fairly settled to infiltration attacks and drone warfare, strategy predominates, and that is largely influenced at this stage by geopolitics. Neither side can win this war as things stand. It could be a generational conflict, one of the longest in modern history, so the focus has become the strategy around how to bring it to an end versus letting it drag on. Russian strategy is simply to slowly trade relatively useless and cheap poorly trained infantry and older vehicles for a few dozen or couple of hundred meters of ground a day while maintaining the pressure of drone attacks on infrastructure. Ukrainian strategy is to make this as costly as possibly while buying time to hope Russia tires of the war or something else internal or external for Russia takes precedence.
I for one don't understand why the Trump as administration believes they will get any good faith negotiations out of Russia. Russia will lie regarding any future intent if it serves their purposes so if they make promises (bribes) for economic deal that would seem to benefit the USA to pressure Ukraine to concede favorable terms for Russia, there is no reason to believe Russia will adhere to any of the terms. As such, part of Russian strategy is to string the Trump administration along by telling them what they want to hear regarding the potential for future economic deals while simply continuing the grinding war. This maintenance of the status quo seems to be satisfactory for Russia.
Why Trump has adopted Russia's positions is a source of mystery. Other than of course the promise of money for the US.
Most other presidents would have used a stick to bring Russia to the table. But Trump and Biden have been extremely weak and ineffective and lackluster in their support.
It's not a mystery. The Democrats supported arming Ukraine, so Trump took the exact opposite position. That's partisan politics.
What a terrible take. Trump has managed to get the useless NATO membership off their ass and spending on defense. He had to do that by withholding aid to put enough fear into them to galvanize them into action.
The US is not their Daddy always ready to bail them out of their own piss poor decision making.
What a terrible take. Name a policy position that Democrats and Republicans share. You can't because their default is the opposite of whatever the other side is doing.
Perfect example is Trump supporters fellating him about Operation Warp Speed at the end of 2020 and Democrats ****ting all over him for going around the normal FDA approval process and swearing up and down they'd never take the "Trump vaccine." As soon as Biden is sworn in, Democrats are touting their efforts at rolling out covid vaccines as fast as possible and Republicans are crying about how it's untested and only has emergency FDA approval. There were posters here going through Olympic level mental gymnastics to justify their flip flopping when their posts from August 2020 were quoted in April 2021. It was truly a sight to see.
And Trump had **** to do with the increase in European defense spending. The Europeans started ramping up defense spending in 2022/2023. Trump has probably increased the urgency of an independent defense industrial base, but they were well on their way to rearming before November 2024.
Ummm...one of the largest spikes in EU NATO defense spending occurred during 2017-2019. Largely due to Trump's anti-NATO rhetoric.
ABATTBQ11 said:Ag with kids said:ABATTBQ11 said:AlaskanAg99 said:ABATTBQ11 said:shiftyandquick said:MouthBQ98 said:
The thread is about tactics and strategy and when strategy is being addressed in this static grinding stage of the war where tactics are fairly settled to infiltration attacks and drone warfare, strategy predominates, and that is largely influenced at this stage by geopolitics. Neither side can win this war as things stand. It could be a generational conflict, one of the longest in modern history, so the focus has become the strategy around how to bring it to an end versus letting it drag on. Russian strategy is simply to slowly trade relatively useless and cheap poorly trained infantry and older vehicles for a few dozen or couple of hundred meters of ground a day while maintaining the pressure of drone attacks on infrastructure. Ukrainian strategy is to make this as costly as possibly while buying time to hope Russia tires of the war or something else internal or external for Russia takes precedence.
I for one don't understand why the Trump as administration believes they will get any good faith negotiations out of Russia. Russia will lie regarding any future intent if it serves their purposes so if they make promises (bribes) for economic deal that would seem to benefit the USA to pressure Ukraine to concede favorable terms for Russia, there is no reason to believe Russia will adhere to any of the terms. As such, part of Russian strategy is to string the Trump administration along by telling them what they want to hear regarding the potential for future economic deals while simply continuing the grinding war. This maintenance of the status quo seems to be satisfactory for Russia.
Why Trump has adopted Russia's positions is a source of mystery. Other than of course the promise of money for the US.
Most other presidents would have used a stick to bring Russia to the table. But Trump and Biden have been extremely weak and ineffective and lackluster in their support.
It's not a mystery. The Democrats supported arming Ukraine, so Trump took the exact opposite position. That's partisan politics.
What a terrible take. Trump has managed to get the useless NATO membership off their ass and spending on defense. He had to do that by withholding aid to put enough fear into them to galvanize them into action.
The US is not their Daddy always ready to bail them out of their own piss poor decision making.
What a terrible take. Name a policy position that Democrats and Republicans share. You can't because their default is the opposite of whatever the other side is doing.
Perfect example is Trump supporters fellating him about Operation Warp Speed at the end of 2020 and Democrats ****ting all over him for going around the normal FDA approval process and swearing up and down they'd never take the "Trump vaccine." As soon as Biden is sworn in, Democrats are touting their efforts at rolling out covid vaccines as fast as possible and Republicans are crying about how it's untested and only has emergency FDA approval. There were posters here going through Olympic level mental gymnastics to justify their flip flopping when their posts from August 2020 were quoted in April 2021. It was truly a sight to see.
And Trump had **** to do with the increase in European defense spending. The Europeans started ramping up defense spending in 2022/2023. Trump has probably increased the urgency of an independent defense industrial base, but they were well on their way to rearming before November 2024.
Ummm...one of the largest spikes in EU NATO defense spending occurred during 2017-2019. Largely due to Trump's anti-NATO rhetoric.
EU defense spending grew 10% over that time. It also grew 10% from 2015-2017. In fact it's pretty linear from 2015-2021. From 2022-24 it grew 33%. The jump from 2022-23 is not one of the largest spikes in European spending, it's the largest spike, just beating out 2002-03 and the start of the war in Iraq percentage-wise.
Trump is not the driver of European defense spending his followers like to think he is, and this is not some kind of 10D chess.
ABATTBQ11 said:Ag with kids said:ABATTBQ11 said:AlaskanAg99 said:ABATTBQ11 said:shiftyandquick said:MouthBQ98 said:
The thread is about tactics and strategy and when strategy is being addressed in this static grinding stage of the war where tactics are fairly settled to infiltration attacks and drone warfare, strategy predominates, and that is largely influenced at this stage by geopolitics. Neither side can win this war as things stand. It could be a generational conflict, one of the longest in modern history, so the focus has become the strategy around how to bring it to an end versus letting it drag on. Russian strategy is simply to slowly trade relatively useless and cheap poorly trained infantry and older vehicles for a few dozen or couple of hundred meters of ground a day while maintaining the pressure of drone attacks on infrastructure. Ukrainian strategy is to make this as costly as possibly while buying time to hope Russia tires of the war or something else internal or external for Russia takes precedence.
I for one don't understand why the Trump as administration believes they will get any good faith negotiations out of Russia. Russia will lie regarding any future intent if it serves their purposes so if they make promises (bribes) for economic deal that would seem to benefit the USA to pressure Ukraine to concede favorable terms for Russia, there is no reason to believe Russia will adhere to any of the terms. As such, part of Russian strategy is to string the Trump administration along by telling them what they want to hear regarding the potential for future economic deals while simply continuing the grinding war. This maintenance of the status quo seems to be satisfactory for Russia.
Why Trump has adopted Russia's positions is a source of mystery. Other than of course the promise of money for the US.
Most other presidents would have used a stick to bring Russia to the table. But Trump and Biden have been extremely weak and ineffective and lackluster in their support.
It's not a mystery. The Democrats supported arming Ukraine, so Trump took the exact opposite position. That's partisan politics.
What a terrible take. Trump has managed to get the useless NATO membership off their ass and spending on defense. He had to do that by withholding aid to put enough fear into them to galvanize them into action.
The US is not their Daddy always ready to bail them out of their own piss poor decision making.
What a terrible take. Name a policy position that Democrats and Republicans share. You can't because their default is the opposite of whatever the other side is doing.
Perfect example is Trump supporters fellating him about Operation Warp Speed at the end of 2020 and Democrats ****ting all over him for going around the normal FDA approval process and swearing up and down they'd never take the "Trump vaccine." As soon as Biden is sworn in, Democrats are touting their efforts at rolling out covid vaccines as fast as possible and Republicans are crying about how it's untested and only has emergency FDA approval. There were posters here going through Olympic level mental gymnastics to justify their flip flopping when their posts from August 2020 were quoted in April 2021. It was truly a sight to see.
And Trump had **** to do with the increase in European defense spending. The Europeans started ramping up defense spending in 2022/2023. Trump has probably increased the urgency of an independent defense industrial base, but they were well on their way to rearming before November 2024.
Ummm...one of the largest spikes in EU NATO defense spending occurred during 2017-2019. Largely due to Trump's anti-NATO rhetoric.
EU defense spending grew 10% over that time. It also grew 10% from 2015-2017. In fact it's pretty linear from 2015-2021. From 2022-24 it grew 33%. The jump from 2022-23 is not one of the largest spikes in European spending, it's the largest spike, just beating out 2002-03 and the start of the war in Iraq percentage-wise.
Trump is not the driver of European defense spending his followers like to think he is, and this is not some kind of 10D chess.
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President Trump's leadership has changed the outlook for NATO. During a two-year period in Trump's first term, from 20172019, new NATO defense expenditures increased by $130 billion, the biggest spike in a generation.
NEW: The Council of the European Union confirmed that European countries and the United States will provide “robust” security guarantees to Ukraine as part of the peace deal to end Russia’s war in Ukraine.
— Institute for the Study of War (@TheStudyofWar) December 17, 2025
The Kremlin explicitly rejected US and European offers to provide Ukraine… pic.twitter.com/Mzpt3X0p4t
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NEW: The Council of the European Union confirmed that European countries and the United States will provide "robust" security guarantees to Ukraine as part of the peace deal to end Russia's war in Ukraine.
The Kremlin explicitly rejected US and European offers to provide Ukraine with "NATO-like" security guarantees as part of a peace deal and continued to signal its unwillingness to compromise on Russia's territorial claims to Ukraine's sovereign territory.
Russia launched an information campaign to frame the European Union and individual European countries as an enemy of the Russian people, comparable to Nazi Germany, in an effort to further militarize Russian society.
The Kremlin is trying to downplay ongoing Ukrainian counterattacks in Kupyansk as Russian ultranationalist milbloggers continue to acknowledge the severity of the situation for the Russian forces.
The Russian Black Sea Fleet denied the loss of a Russian submarine as the result of a Ukrainian unmanned underwater vehicle (UUV) strike against the Novorossiysk Naval Base on the night of December 14 to 15.
3/ Russian forces recently advanced in the Dobropillya and Kostyantynivka-Druzhkivka tactical areas.
— Institute for the Study of War (@TheStudyofWar) December 17, 2025
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, December 16, 2025: https://t.co/vbijKgRRyQ pic.twitter.com/mHeSFvz9aB
GeoConfirmed UKR - Disinformation.
— GeoConfirmed (@GeoConfirmed) December 17, 2025
(Disinformation refers to false or misleading information that is deliberately created and spread with the intent to deceive, manipulate, or cause harm.)
Russian forces are seen walking through streets and delivering a speech in a video,… https://t.co/Vu2KBeyCYK
🇺🇦🇬🇧 Ukraine has received dozens of UK-made Ultra drones, heavy logistics UAVs capable of flying over 1,000 km with up to 150 kg payloads. Designed for frontline resupply, Ultra is rugged, jam-resistant, twin-engined, and field-repairable. New deliveries are planned; upgraded… pic.twitter.com/QQqnuzJBYM
— NOELREPORTS 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 (@NOELreports) December 17, 2025
Claude! said:
I have a growing feeling, probably not too controversial, that there's not a tactical or strategic way to get Russia honestly to the table while Putin is stillin chargealive .
Mathguy64 said:Claude! said:
I have a growing feeling, probably not too controversial, that there's not a tactical or strategic way to get Russia honestly to the table while Putin is stillin chargealive .
FIFY
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Putin is facing economic, political, military, and public pressure, though it is unclear if anyone in Russia beyond him has a say in the talks with Ukraine. The breakthroughs in the talks have stemmed not from President Donald Trump, who is more and more detached in his second term, but from hard work by the policy planning staff at the State Department, buttressed by the brains and sophistication of little known Army Secretary Daniel Driscoll, a Yale Law School graduate who has emerged as a rock star in the recent talks. Driscoll is said to be a shoo-in to replace the incompetent Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth sometime early next year, after Congressional candidates have formally filed for the November elections.
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In the view of US officials involved in the negotiations, Putin is facing increasing political, economic, and military opposition in Moscow; mortgage rates are soaring and the Russian military is in serious disarray has realized that he must end the war. One US official involved in the talks told me that since the end of the summer Putin has been aware that he can "no longer act alone. . . . He needs money and has got to consolidate what he's already achieved" in Ukraine. "He is not a superman."
I have been told that there are six essential elements of the tentative settlement to which "Russia has essentially agreed" and they are "not likely to be significantly modified." According to a draft agreement that has yet to be signed, they include:
Ukraine will be allowed to build and maintain a standing army of 800,000, which is much greater than Russia initially proposed. The previous proposal called for a standing Ukrainian army of 600,000.
Russian compliance with the agreement will be monitored by Europeans on the ground, buttressed by American satellite intelligence.
Russia will not deploy its troops within 150 miles of the border with Ukraine.
Russia agreed that by 2027, if Zelensky has an opponent, Ukraine could have an election for the presidency.
Russia is also insisting that the entire territory of Donbas, the easternmost region of Ukraine, most of which is under Russian control, will be in effect ceded to Russia. One solution now on the table would involve the notion of suzerainty: a relationship where a powerful state has dominance over a weaker state and steers its foreign policy and defense, while allowing it internal self-governance.
The agreement allows Ukraine to join the European Union as soon as January 2027, a long sought economic goal of Zelensky's. Russia still publicly objects to it, but a commitment by Washington and the European Union not to admit Ukraine into NATO will make EU membership for Ukraine acceptable to Putin.
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The US official told me that Putin is aware that there is little to be gained by continuing his offensive in Ukraine, where territory has been gained at the cost of heavy losses of men and materiel. Ongoing warfare is not going to change the balance of forces. Putin is under pressure to end the war from his military and from a public staggered by its continuing cost, and inflation is at 8.4 percent. Some of the most senior Russian generals, while still loyal to Putin, urgently want the depleted Russian Army to get out.
Putin is staying afloat by borrowing money from Russian banks that are not permitted to lend to the population. The US official told me: "The big breakthrough seems to be Putin's willingness to concede that moving farther into the heartland of Ukraine [is] not worth the cost and the uncertainty of the Army and population's long-term support . . . [So a] settlement [is] closer than ever.
What a fully completed Ukrainian obstacle line looks like. In total:
— Playfra (@Playfra0) December 20, 2025
Concertina wire: 12 rows
Ditches: 3
Dragon's teeth: 3 rows
"MZP Putanka" trip wire: 4 rows pic.twitter.com/CmUpLLk5eG
According to recent reports by the U.S. Intelligence Community, Russian President Vladimir Putin still intends to capture all of Ukraine and reclaim parts of Eastern Europe that previously were part of the Soviet Union - such as the Baltics and Poland - despite ongoing… pic.twitter.com/ei8hiCB3BC
— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) December 20, 2025
Putin personally chose Witkoff as the main negotiator with the U.S.
— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) December 20, 2025
Russian-American negotiations began after the Saudi prince handed Witkoff a message from the Kremlin.
Putin was interested in meeting with him, reports The Wall Street Journal.
The Kremlin had one condition:… pic.twitter.com/S2QT1hKOJB
Either Russia is using some very high fidelity decoys, or Ukrainian strikes in Crimea are getting very expensive for Russia... https://t.co/5YO3K5Hjii
— Jakub Janovsky (@Rebel44CZ) December 20, 2025
Especially after the EU's recent commitments, I'm failing to see the point of these negotiations. As long as Ukraine can get arms and intelligence from someone they are going to keep fighting. Trump wanted Europe to stand on their own and that's what they are doing. It's kind of funny that's effectively undermining the US's ability to negotiate.Rossticus said:
Interesting take by the Wall Street JournalPutin personally chose Witkoff as the main negotiator with the U.S.
— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) December 20, 2025
Russian-American negotiations began after the Saudi prince handed Witkoff a message from the Kremlin.
Putin was interested in meeting with him, reports The Wall Street Journal.
The Kremlin had one condition:… pic.twitter.com/S2QT1hKOJB
Rossticus said:
Interesting take by the Wall Street JournalPutin personally chose Witkoff as the main negotiator with the U.S.
— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) December 20, 2025
Russian-American negotiations began after the Saudi prince handed Witkoff a message from the Kremlin.
Putin was interested in meeting with him, reports The Wall Street Journal.
The Kremlin had one condition:… pic.twitter.com/S2QT1hKOJB
Japan has decided to send Ukraine $6 billion to help supports its war effort against Russia.
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) December 21, 2025
Tokyo also decided to speed up the transfer of $3 billion from its G7 loan package for Ukraine, meaning that Ukraine will soon receive $9 billion from Japan
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Ukraine has launched a major drone attack against Russian-occupied Crimea and Southwestern Russia. pic.twitter.com/0Mzi5xQvsq
— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) December 21, 2025
Most of these companies and individuals were sanctioned because they were connected to Russian financial networks, industrial suppliers, or defense-related sectors. Some supplied technology, machinery, or shipping/logistics services that could support Russian companies under U.S.…
— GeoInsider (@InsiderGeo) December 21, 2025
Rossticus said:
WTF are we doing?
"Most of these companies and individuals were sanctioned because they were connected to Russian financial networks, industrial suppliers, or defense-related sectors. Some supplied technology, machinery, or shipping/logistics services that could support Russian companies under U.S. sanctions, including those linked to military or dual-use industries."Most of these companies and individuals were sanctioned because they were connected to Russian financial networks, industrial suppliers, or defense-related sectors. Some supplied technology, machinery, or shipping/logistics services that could support Russian companies under U.S.…
— GeoInsider (@InsiderGeo) December 21, 2025
Russian Telegram channel reports "chaos" in the 272nd Motor Rifle Regiment near Kupiansk. After “big stars” from Moscow replaced the regimental commander in early December, troops were given unrealistic orders to take Pishchane and Kurylivka and push on Kupiansk-Uzlovyi, despite… pic.twitter.com/AabiMSaJLN
— WarTranslated (@wartranslated) December 21, 2025
MORE: Putin’s statements continue to make clear that he will not be satisfied with a peace agreement along the lines of those based on the 28-point proposal currently under discussion. Putin may make temporary compromises, as he claimed during his Direct Line speech during the… https://t.co/VTFmECOja7 pic.twitter.com/RWpd0SAYlr
— Institute for the Study of War (@TheStudyofWar) December 20, 2025