Mike Lindell hoisted by his own petard

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aggiehawg said:

Duckhook said:

aggiehawg said:

No less than Amy Klobuchar was complaining about how insecure electronic voting machines were in 2019.

https://www.klobuchar.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2019/3/ranking-members-klobuchar-warner-reed-and-peters-press-election-equipment-manufacturers-on-security


I asked this in the other thread where you posted this, what were the various company's replies to this?
None as far as I know. Probably got a few donations out of it. And Klobuchar went away.

So it's just as possible that the companies responded and allayed the concerns?
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Admiral Adama said:

Legitimate positions to hold:
1. Ballot harvesting increases. The likelihood that fraud will occur and is a bad idea.
2. Mail in ballots increase the likelihood that fraud will occur and is probably a bad idea.
3. Voters should be able to prove their identity vote in an election.
4. Creating laxer regulations around voting in 2020 due to Covid probably allowed substantially more voters who would've stayed home on election day to lazily mail in ballot, and that absolutely made the difference for the Democrats.

Illegitimate positions to hold:
1. The voting systems were hacked and fraudulently cast Biden votes.
2. There was a massive conspiracy to stop counting the votes and pad the vote totals for the Democrats in the middle of the night.
3. A huge conspiracy of illegal voting rings spread across multiple states, requiring a substantial amount of manpower resulted in Democrats winning the election and not a single person has come forward as a whistleblower.
See, but the first 4 aren't sexy enough, and no court would ever find them compelling enough to litigate after the fact and declare an election void. So you had Trump and millions of his followers grasping at the bottom 3 straws that folks like Lindell were holding out.
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Duckhook said:

aggiehawg said:

Duckhook said:

aggiehawg said:

No less than Amy Klobuchar was complaining about how insecure electronic voting machines were in 2019.

https://www.klobuchar.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2019/3/ranking-members-klobuchar-warner-reed-and-peters-press-election-equipment-manufacturers-on-security


I asked this in the other thread where you posted this, what were the various company's replies to this?
None as far as I know. Probably got a few donations out of it. And Klobuchar went away.

So it's just as possible that the companies responded and allayed the concerns?
Highly unlikely since they lost the suit in federal court in October 2020 on the same issues. It was too close to the election for the judge to provide a remedy though. Then she promptly sealed the experts' reports only allowing CISA accss to them a few years later before the midterms. CISA immediately sent out an alert after reading the reports. So the problems still existed as of October 2020.

Nice try though.
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RoadkillBBQ said:

Watermelon Man said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

Watermelon Man said:

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OK. And still a distraction.

Everyone should be concerned about election sanctity and security. The people who are not are fully invested in the insecurity.
I'm all for election security. I do find it interesting that all the evidence for widespread Democratic fraud in the 2020 is based on lies and fabricated data.
Democrats make elections less secure every opportunity they can.
And it is so easy to prove that with all the lies and fabricated data.

I know that Democrats are your boogie man, but the thing is, without the lies and fabricated data, there is no evidence that the elections are not secure.

It's all made up.

How about we at least get rid of ballot harvesting, drop boxes, mail in voting and require voting in person with a valid ID.
Well, in the case of vote-by-mail, it is utilized in at lease eight states (California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Vermont and Washington allow all elections to be conducted by mail). It is highly valued by the citizens of those states, Republicans and Democrats alike. If it was inherently fraudulent, as many here espouse, if not actually believe, how do they make it work in those states?

As for the ballot harvesting and drop boxes, this is just a part of the vote-by-mail process, correct? If the process is inherently fraudulent, why aren't there candidates, from both parties, crying foul? I mean, even Democrats have to win their primary, correct? Do you think if there was fraud going on they would just sit back and keep quiet? But, primary or general election, it's only Republicans that cry about it.

Come on, man. If there was widespread fraud due to ballot harvesting at the level to influence the outcome, you'd think that they could find some evidence. It would take a lot of organization to pull something like that off. But, nobody has leaked any e-mails? No texts? No records of the meetings? I mean, we have all that for the Jan 6 insurrection, which just gets dismissed with a hand wave. But, for the "Greatest example of election fraud in all time," there is not a single clue?

I know, when you've doubled-down on the fraud narrative so many times you've lost count, it can be hard to realize you've been had.

I mean, it's just another opinion, right? Like, Celine Dion is the best singer, ever, is just an opinion, right?

No, it's not just another opinion. It's a fact. The people telling you the election was stolen were lying to you. At best, you might want to believe that some of them were merely crazies and actually believed it, but reality is that it is highly unlikely any of them believed it. They just found it was profitable to lie.
It is much easier to fool someone than it is to convince someone that he has been fooled.
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BigJim49 AustinNowDallas said:

HTownAg98 said:

Lindell is not concerned about election security; he's concerned about making money. He's reduced himself to being a con artist now.
Don't ya just hate him! And a billionaire to boot!
Mike Lindell is far from a "billionaire".
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"There can be catastrophic financial consequences for adopting and repeating the lies of the former president.

If you choose to believe the 2020 presidential election was stolen, you must also believe that there is a compelling pile of verifiable evidence that, for some inexplicable reason, was never presented by Donald Trump's presidential campaign in its myriad post-election lawsuits in November and December 2020.

Furthermore, you must believe that when facing a $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit from Dominion, Fox News never presented any of this evidence as a defense in this defamation lawsuit. Truth, or substantial truth, is an absolute defense in a defamation case.

If you choose to believe the 2020 presidential election was stolen, you must believe Fox News agreed to pay $787.5 million to Dominion in a settlement, rather than present any of that evidence. You must believe that Fox News had a quick and easy way to win this lawsuit and simply refused to use it even though the news distributor had more than 700 million good reasons to point to this evidence, if it existed.

But Fox News did not present that evidence; in fact, Fox Corporation chairman Rupert Murdoch said under oath that he believes the 2020 presidential election was free, fair, and not stolen.

Fox News did not present any evidence contending that the 2020 presidential election was not stolen, because the 2020 presidential election was not stolen, and there is no compelling evidence that the 2020 presidential election was stolen.

Period, full stop, do not pass go, do not collect $200.
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aggiehawg said:

Duckhook said:

aggiehawg said:

Duckhook said:

aggiehawg said:

No less than Amy Klobuchar was complaining about how insecure electronic voting machines were in 2019.

https://www.klobuchar.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2019/3/ranking-members-klobuchar-warner-reed-and-peters-press-election-equipment-manufacturers-on-security


I asked this in the other thread where you posted this, what were the various company's replies to this?
None as far as I know. Probably got a few donations out of it. And Klobuchar went away.

So it's just as possible that the companies responded and allayed the concerns?
Highly unlikely since they lost the suit in federal court in October 2020 on the same issues. It was too close to the election for the judge to provide a remedy though. Then she promptly sealed the experts' reports only allowing CISA accss to them a few years later before the midterms. CISA immediately sent out an alert after reading the reports. So the problems still existed as of October 2020.

Nice try though.

You posted a letter. I wanted to know how it was responded to. No direct evidence of a response apparently, but maybe some indirect evidence.

Wasn't a try at anything. Don't get so defensive about being questioned.
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BluHorseShu said:

Get Off My Lawn said:

Lindel is just one man, and not at all representative of conservatives, but the Dems are glomming all over him to pivot any election discussion away from their illegal tampering of mechanics.
Well there were certainly some who thought Lindell should be appointed to an office should Trump be elected again. So some hold him in high regard.
I don't give a crap about the Dems. I care about putting forward intelligent, moral Republicans who can win the election AND get things done. DeSantis '24
Not the impression I get from your concerned posting tendencies…
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Wasn't a try at anything. Don't get so defensive about being questioned.
Not defensive at all. Been doing election related stuff for two and a half years.

I've seen this movie before.
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Watermelon Man said:

RoadkillBBQ said:

Watermelon Man said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

Watermelon Man said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

OK. And still a distraction.

Everyone should be concerned about election sanctity and security. The people who are not are fully invested in the insecurity.
I'm all for election security. I do find it interesting that all the evidence for widespread Democratic fraud in the 2020 is based on lies and fabricated data.
Democrats make elections less secure every opportunity they can.
And it is so easy to prove that with all the lies and fabricated data.

I know that Democrats are your boogie man, but the thing is, without the lies and fabricated data, there is no evidence that the elections are not secure.

It's all made up.

How about we at least get rid of ballot harvesting, drop boxes, mail in voting and require voting in person with a valid ID.
Well, in the case of vote-by-mail, it is utilized in at lease eight states (California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Vermont and Washington allow all elections to be conducted by mail). It is highly valued by the citizens of those states, Republicans and Democrats alike. If it was inherently fraudulent, as many here espouse, if not actually believe, how do they make it work in those states?

As for the ballot harvesting and drop boxes, this is just a part of the vote-by-mail process, correct? If the process is inherently fraudulent, why aren't there candidates, from both parties, crying foul? I mean, even Democrats have to win their primary, correct? Do you think if there was fraud going on they would just sit back and keep quiet? But, primary or general election, it's only Republicans that cry about it.

Come on, man. If there was widespread fraud due to ballot harvesting at the level to influence the outcome, you'd think that they could find some evidence. It would take a lot of organization to pull something like that off. But, nobody has leaked any e-mails? No texts? No records of the meetings? I mean, we have all that for the Jan 6 insurrection, which just gets dismissed with a hand wave. But, for the "Greatest example of election fraud in all time," there is not a single clue?

I know, when you've doubled-down on the fraud narrative so many times you've lost count, it can be hard to realize you've been had.

I mean, it's just another opinion, right? Like, Celine Dion is the best singer, ever, is just an opinion, right?

No, it's not just another opinion. It's a fact. The people telling you the election was stolen were lying to you. At best, you might want to believe that some of them were merely crazies and actually believed it, but reality is that it is highly unlikely any of them believed it. They just found it was profitable to lie.


Anytime there is not a proven direct chain of custody from the voter to the Secretary of State, you have obvious points of penetration to conduct fraud. That does not mean that therefore an election is fraudulent or that 12,000 fake Georgians cast ballots, but just that you have an obvious point of failure.

Signature matching is currently the only auditing process and that seems fairly fraught. I don't think it's a bad thing to have innovative ways to vote, like drive-through voting, but I think that we need some thing like two factor authentication at registration and ballot cast to give more confidence in the process.
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BluHorseShu said:

Of course everyone is concerned about election security. But unfortunately people are still distracted by their belief the 2020 election was stolen.
Everyone is NOT concerned about election security. Democrats changed many rules and laws (some illegally) to enable illegal voting in the 2020 election.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

BluHorseShu said:

Of course everyone is concerned about election security. But unfortunately people are still distracted by their belief the 2020 election was stolen.
Everyone is NOT concerned about election security. Democrats changed many rules and laws (some illegally) to enable illegal voting in the 2020 election.

Dems are only concerned about election security when they can't control it.
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He's kind of a clownish distraction at best.
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Admiral Adama said:


4. Creating laxer regulations around voting in 2020 due to Covid allowed substantially more voters who would've stayed home on election day to lazily mail in ballot, and that absolutely made the difference for the Democrats.




I think that this is huge and all too often overlooked in favor of more fantastical explanations. Giving a massive number of the lazy and entitled an opportunity to vote themselves freebies was a recipe for a huge Dem advantage.
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Rossticus said:

Admiral Adama said:


4. Creating laxer regulations around voting in 2020 due to Covid allowed substantially more voters who would've stayed home on election day to lazily mail in ballot, and that absolutely made the difference for the Democrats.




I think that this is huge and all too often overlooked in favor of more fantastical explanations. Giving a massive number of the lazy and entitled an opportunity to vote themselves freebies was a recipe for a huge Dem advantage.

I think that's also a little bit oversimplified too. The Democrats read the rulebook and said holy ****, let's go get out the vote. Republicans said no we're not gonna do that, we'll just vote on election day instead.

If one side is running up the score due to a change in the rules, and the other side decides not to, well, that might not work out too well on game day.
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Rossticus said:

Admiral Adama said:


4. Creating laxer regulations around voting in 2020 due to Covid allowed substantially more voters who would've stayed home on election day to lazily mail in ballot, and that absolutely made the difference for the Democrats.




I think that this is huge and all too often overlooked in favor of more fantastical explanations. Giving a massive number of the lazy and entitled an opportunity to vote themselves freebies was a recipe for a huge Dem advantage.
What you are missing is that those voters didn't know they were voting.

ERIC with CEIR provided a database of people who were never registered by their voluntary action, yet they were allowed to "vote" or people claiming to be them "voting."

Voter rolls are added to by that Soros funded ERIC using EBUs.
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aggiehawg said:

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Headline - "Definitive Proof the Election was not Stolen"....F16- "So what, it's just a distraction".
Someone didn't read the decision of the arbitration panel.
I was only responding to the poster. If the evidence has been produced and is obvious proof, I'm sure the courts will be happy to hear it. Maybe the just need to get it in front of the right judge. Seriously, if it's so obvious to so many people , why have the courts not acknowledged it? It's obvious there are plenty of judges that are willing to challenge this administration. What is more probable, that there's a secret cabal covering all this up in spite of all the support Trump has but has failed to make this materialize? Or that there was no massive conspiracy to defraud the election? This isn't to say there weren't issues, which were unique and independent of each other and happened in past elections. But they don't come close to raising to the level some people want to believe
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Ellis Wyatt said:

Democrats changed many rules and laws (some illegally) to enable illegal voting in the 2020 election.

More GOP-led states made election changes, at least in battleground states:

  • 2 GOP trifectas (IA, OH)
  • 4 GOP-led legislatures w/ Dem Governor (MI, NC, PA, WI)
  • 1 Dem trifecta (NV)
  • 1 Dem-led legislature w/ GOP Governor (NH)


https://news.ballotpedia.org/2020/11/24/37-states-modified-absentee-mail-in-voting-procedures-in-nov-3-elections/



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Admiral Adama said:

Watermelon Man said:

RoadkillBBQ said:

Watermelon Man said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

Watermelon Man said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

OK. And still a distraction.

Everyone should be concerned about election sanctity and security. The people who are not are fully invested in the insecurity.
I'm all for election security. I do find it interesting that all the evidence for widespread Democratic fraud in the 2020 is based on lies and fabricated data.
Democrats make elections less secure every opportunity they can.
And it is so easy to prove that with all the lies and fabricated data.

I know that Democrats are your boogie man, but the thing is, without the lies and fabricated data, there is no evidence that the elections are not secure.

It's all made up.

How about we at least get rid of ballot harvesting, drop boxes, mail in voting and require voting in person with a valid ID.
Well, in the case of vote-by-mail, it is utilized in at lease eight states (California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Vermont and Washington allow all elections to be conducted by mail). It is highly valued by the citizens of those states, Republicans and Democrats alike. If it was inherently fraudulent, as many here espouse, if not actually believe, how do they make it work in those states?

As for the ballot harvesting and drop boxes, this is just a part of the vote-by-mail process, correct? If the process is inherently fraudulent, why aren't there candidates, from both parties, crying foul? I mean, even Democrats have to win their primary, correct? Do you think if there was fraud going on they would just sit back and keep quiet? But, primary or general election, it's only Republicans that cry about it.

Come on, man. If there was widespread fraud due to ballot harvesting at the level to influence the outcome, you'd think that they could find some evidence. It would take a lot of organization to pull something like that off. But, nobody has leaked any e-mails? No texts? No records of the meetings? I mean, we have all that for the Jan 6 insurrection, which just gets dismissed with a hand wave. But, for the "Greatest example of election fraud in all time," there is not a single clue?

I know, when you've doubled-down on the fraud narrative so many times you've lost count, it can be hard to realize you've been had.

I mean, it's just another opinion, right? Like, Celine Dion is the best singer, ever, is just an opinion, right?

No, it's not just another opinion. It's a fact. The people telling you the election was stolen were lying to you. At best, you might want to believe that some of them were merely crazies and actually believed it, but reality is that it is highly unlikely any of them believed it. They just found it was profitable to lie.


Anytime there is not a proven direct chain of custody from the voter to the Secretary of State, you have obvious points of penetration to conduct fraud. That does not mean that therefore an election is fraudulent or that 12,000 fake Georgians cast ballots, but just that you have an obvious point of failure.

Signature matching is currently the only auditing process and that seems fairly fraught. I don't think it's a bad thing to have innovative ways to vote, like drive-through voting, but I think that we need some thing like two factor authentication at registration and ballot cast to give more confidence in the process.
Bolding mine. This is not true. But, before we get to that...

First, your "proven chain of custody from the voter to the SoS" is a bit of misdirection. Mail in ballots do not break that chain. Having drop boxes do not break that chain, provided they are secure. If you are trying to demonstrate fraud, however, you don't just show that it could have happened, but you need evidence that fraud actually happened. Otherwise, you are in tin foil hat territory.

Second, what are these 12,000 fake Georgian ballots? I think they are imaginary. Do you have any evidence they actually exist? You do know that Georgia only issues ballots to registered voters, right? Are you saying they issued ballots to fake voters? Or are you talking about the false elector scheme Trump and company dreamed up to steal the 2020 election?

Third, on the bolded part, signature matching is not the only auditing process. There are others. But, if you are going to describe it as "fraught," you need to explain how.

If you feel that photo ID is the only possible way to verify identification, how did the entire planet exist before photo IDs became popular? I was over twenty years old before my driver's license had a photo. I voted in the 1976 election. Does that mean my vote back then was fraudulent? Were all elections prior to than fraudulent?
It is much easier to fool someone than it is to convince someone that he has been fooled.
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Still waiting.
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Rapier108 said:

The election was stolen via ballot harvesting and old school voter fraud in a handful of specific counties.

All of the crap being pushed by Rudy, Powell, and Lindell was nothing but an idiotic distraction.
Ballot harvesting is the legal collection of ballots and transport of them to the election authorities.
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RoadkillBBQ said:

Watermelon Man said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

Watermelon Man said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

OK. And still a distraction.

Everyone should be concerned about election sanctity and security. The people who are not are fully invested in the insecurity.
I'm all for election security. I do find it interesting that all the evidence for widespread Democratic fraud in the 2020 is based on lies and fabricated data.
Democrats make elections less secure every opportunity they can.
And it is so easy to prove that with all the lies and fabricated data.

I know that Democrats are your boogie man, but the thing is, without the lies and fabricated data, there is no evidence that the elections are not secure.

It's all made up.

How about we at least get rid of ballot harvesting, drop boxes, mail in voting and require voting in person with a valid ID.
Whether or not to end the legal practice of ballot harvesting is up to the legislatures of each state.

The same goes for the legal practice of mail in voting.

The reality is that there are ways to improve election security, but nobody seems to be interested in doing anything but security theater. To actually implement measures to make progress in it is hard work and they are too lazy to do the hard work. It's much easier to just whine about it on message boards.
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This thread is the lib bat signal.
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Those Giza cotton sheets are about to double in price...
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It matters if the changes were legal or illegal.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

It matters if the changes were legal or illegal.
Which states made illegal changes?
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Retired FBI Agent said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

It matters if the changes were legal or illegal.
Which states made illegal changes?

Pennsylvania, for one.
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The state of Texas has filed an unprecedented motion with the U.S. Supreme Court, asking for leave to file a complaint with the court against the states of Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, and Wisconsin over the 2020 presidential election. The motion alleges that changes made in election rules governing absentee ballots in those states by "non-legislative actors" violated the Constitution and "cumulatively preclude knowing who legitimately won the 2020 election and threaten to cloud all future elections."

In a nutshell, Texas is saying these four states' elections were unconstitutionaland therefore, invalid. The Lone Star State's complaint, filed by state Attorney General Ken Paxton, asks that Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin conduct new elections to determine their electors for the Electoral College.
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The complaint goes into great detail describing what happened in each state.
  • Pennsylvania: The complaint accuses Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar of, among other things, "without legislative approval, unilaterally abrogating" Pennsylvania statutes that require "signature verification for absentee or mail-in ballots." These changes were "not ratified" by the Pennsylvania legislature.
  • Georgia: Similarly, the complaint describes how Georgia's Secretary of State, Brad Raffensperger, also "without legislative approval, unilaterally abrogated Georgia's statute governing the signature verification process for absentee ballots."
  • Michigan: The complaint states that Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson "abrogated Michigan election statutes related to absentee ballot applications and signature verification."
  • Wisconsin: Lastly, the Wisconsin's elections commission made similar changes in state laws without the permission of the legislature that "weakened, or did away with, established security procedures put in place by the Wisconsin legislature to ensure absentee ballot integrity."
The complaint catalogues these and numerous other changes made in all four states by government officials, not the state legislatures.
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Ballot Harvesting is a secure aspect of the election process? Rrrriiiiigggghhhht…….
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TXAGFAN said:

Get Off My Lawn said:

Lindel is just one man, and not at all representative of conservatives, but the Dems are glomming all over him to pivot any election discussion away from their illegal tampering of mechanics.
He shared the stage with president and president said favorable things about him an uncomfortable amount of times given his level of crazy. He's not just some guy, he's one of your guys. You can't just act like he's not.


And all of the trans freaks are your people. Care to debate which side has the majority based in reality? What is a woman?
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AnScAggie said:

This thread is the lib bat signal.


Notice they choose the threads they can pile on and completely ignore others. They are gutless cowards.
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TXAGFAN said:

Get Off My Lawn said:

Lindel is just one man, and not at all representative of conservatives, but the Dems are glomming all over him to pivot any election discussion away from their illegal tampering of mechanics.
He shared the stage with president and president said favorable things about him an uncomfortable amount of times given his level of crazy. He's not just some guy, he's one of your guys. You can't just act like he's not.
So...Hunter Biden is one of YOUR guys.

You can't' just act like he's not...
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