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Putin announces the rise of the new Empire of Russia
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"Uzbeki Soi Boyz"The Green Dragon said:
He can be the biggest piece of crap in the world and still spew some truth. I don't know if that was translated correctly - he could have been talking about the soybean crops in Uzbekistan for all I know, but if it's legit, he laid it it out correctly.
Sounds like a band name waiting to happen
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This board has no concept of nuance sometimes, it's just sad.
If Putin came out and said gun ownership is a sacred right of the people to defend against the government, some of these people would say we need to get rid of the 2nd amendment ASAP because Putin somehow snuck it in there 250 years ago.
Him saying something factually true doesn't negate the many evil things he's done. And to Dies Irae's point, do we really hold the moral high ground? I love this country, believe its the best simply because of the personal freedoms and unlimited opportunities we enjoy. I want us to talk the talk and walk the walk in all aspects with no hypocrisy.
If Putin came out and said gun ownership is a sacred right of the people to defend against the government, some of these people would say we need to get rid of the 2nd amendment ASAP because Putin somehow snuck it in there 250 years ago.
Him saying something factually true doesn't negate the many evil things he's done. And to Dies Irae's point, do we really hold the moral high ground? I love this country, believe its the best simply because of the personal freedoms and unlimited opportunities we enjoy. I want us to talk the talk and walk the walk in all aspects with no hypocrisy.
Eliminatus said:
Putin is one of the nastiest snakes to have ever walked this Earth. It makes me sad that some here listen to the words with bright eyes and fail to acknowledge the messenger. Hitler also advocated for a strong family unit and encouraged it through message and policy.
He is a failed despot trying to desperately leave a legacy that he has envisioned for himself. As the modern czar that will bring Russia back to the forefront of power and fear.
He is just another serpent in the garden only fools and sycophants will glorify. Might as well go ahead and espouse the views and actions of Timothy McVeigh as a simple and righteous message to foster small government and protest against government overreach.
Putin is a ****ing bonafide murderous tyrant of an oppressive regime and we have starry eyed TA members lapping at his feet. Way to stick it to the dems there OP.
Did you watch the video?
You don't have to like Putin or think he is not still a KGB thug. BUT he makes some solid points about the state of woke America.
I agree with Hitler that having a mom and dad is good. Doesn't make me a Nazi. Your point is stupid.
Reminds me of when I read the Una-bomber manifesto. At first I thought, man this guy nailed this. Then I had to re-center and realize he was bat S crazy and did harm to innocent people. Lesson learned.
The words are not new and have been spoken by many. Many here on TA itself. This isn't brand new gospel and needs to be psychoanalyzed.SquareOne07 said:Eliminatus said:That is your retort defending your drooling glorification of an actual, no joke, anti-western dictator who said some words that you happen to like?Dies Irae said:
Principled Conservatives: "the lying librul media tells nothing but falsehoods in order to brainwash the masses into believing their stories"
Principled Conservatives: "Did you see what Putin did? I saw on the news Russia is giving their soldiers viagra so they can rape easier"
Wild. Absolutely wild.
Do you have any idea who you are advocating for here? I mean, truly? Cut all the sensationalism. Do you truly understand what Putin has undertaken in the past year and a half and why? Do you think all these verified destroyed cities are CGI? Green screen? I truly wish to know how your mind works here. You fascinate me to be honest.
Genuinely curious…can a deplorable guy view things the way that people we perceive to be "good" do as well?
Do you disagree with everything he said?
Set aside your views of the guy…many here will agree with you on that…tell us your views on the commentary.
Words are just words without intent and the source though. You HAVE to consider the source. It is bizarre to me how that is not obvious. Putin first and foremost is self-serving. His country is largely third world and the system of government he reigns over is just another flavor of oppression and classism. Messaging used in the political sense as this always has interpretation behind. Most of the time, it is told to you.
Do I like his words? Sure. Sounds great! But do I agree with the man who said them? Do I have to believe that what he says is in good faith? Absolutely not and I will not. His very actions contradict these very words? His regime has oppressed so many of his people and his forces are destroying his vaunted family unit ideal literally every single day. I do not believe him and neither should any westerner. I mean, my Timothy McVeigh point also holds true. Do I believe in small government and do I think the federal acted rashly and overreacted at Waco and Ruby Ridge? Yes and yes. Do we need to study McVeighs words and commentary as well? If I agree with it should I post his manifesto here on TA with the goal of glorifying that message? The answer is no. Considering the source.
Let's start with an easy question here, do any of you think Putin actually believes anything he said in that video and why?
JB!98 said:
Reminds me of when I read the Una-bomber manifesto. At first I thought, man this guy nailed this. Then I had to re-center and realize he was bat S crazy and did harm to innocent people. Lesson learned.
So to be clear, you thought Tim Mcvays arguments were legit. Then he committed senseless mass murder and his arguments were no longer valid after that?
Tim Mcvay become invalid and bat s crazy, not his criticism of Ruby Ridge and Waco.
JB!98 said:
Reminds me of when I read the Una-bomber manifesto. At first I thought, man this guy nailed this. Then I had to re-center and realize he was bat S crazy and did harm to innocent people. Lesson learned.
The unabomber was a genius, his books should be required reading for all. He saw the problems right, it was the extremity of his solutions wherein his madness lie, not in his diagnosis.
Who has a higher body count, George W Bush or Putin?
Nope, never mentioned or even researched McVay. Was talking about the unabomber. We watched some series about him and I read his manifesto. I have yet to blow up a building or plant bombs in mailboxes. Thanks for asking though.D-Fens said:JB!98 said:
Reminds me of when I read the Una-bomber manifesto. At first I thought, man this guy nailed this. Then I had to re-center and realize he was bat S crazy and did harm to innocent people. Lesson learned.
So to be clear, you thought Tim Mcvays arguments were legit. Then he committed senseless mass murder and his arguments were no longer valid after that?
Tim Mcvay become invalid and bat s crazy, not his criticism of Ruby Ridge and Waco.
I think you have your psycho's mixed up. Ted Kaczynski was the unabomber.
If you count his own people among the deceased, then it's Putin by a large marginDies Irae said:
Who has a higher body count, George W Bush or Putin?
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Sorry. I don't care about whataboutisms and deflections are annoying. There clearly is no room for further discussion at this point. Consider us both not having moved in our stances and call it a draw I guess.Dies Irae said:
Who has a higher body count, George W Bush or Putin?
agent-maroon said:If you count his own people among the deceased, then it's Putin by a large marginDies Irae said:
Who has a higher body count, George W Bush or Putin?
How many Russians do you think Putin has killed? He took over Russia when they were still in post USSR dissolution limbo. Since he took over their life expectancy has gone from 66 to 73 years, and their GDP per capita has increased 10 fold.
Eliminatus said:Sorry. I don't care about whataboutisms and deflections are annoying. There clearly is no room for further discussion at this point. Consider us both not having moved in our stances and call it a draw I guess.Dies Irae said:
Who has a higher body count, George W Bush or Putin?
I'm just asking, you seem to like asking questions but refuse to answer any of them yourself. You want to see the pictures of the places we've turned to rubble? The estimated Iraqi casualties from the invasion over bogus WMD's is estimated to be anywhere from 250,000 to 1,100,000 with at least 180,000 civilian casualties, and that's just Iraq
Eliminatus said:The words are not new and have been spoken by many. Many here on TA itself. This isn't brand new gospel and needs to be psychoanalyzed.SquareOne07 said:Eliminatus said:That is your retort defending your drooling glorification of an actual, no joke, anti-western dictator who said some words that you happen to like?Dies Irae said:
Principled Conservatives: "the lying librul media tells nothing but falsehoods in order to brainwash the masses into believing their stories"
Principled Conservatives: "Did you see what Putin did? I saw on the news Russia is giving their soldiers viagra so they can rape easier"
Wild. Absolutely wild.
Do you have any idea who you are advocating for here? I mean, truly? Cut all the sensationalism. Do you truly understand what Putin has undertaken in the past year and a half and why? Do you think all these verified destroyed cities are CGI? Green screen? I truly wish to know how your mind works here. You fascinate me to be honest.
Genuinely curious…can a deplorable guy view things the way that people we perceive to be "good" do as well?
Do you disagree with everything he said?
Set aside your views of the guy…many here will agree with you on that…tell us your views on the commentary.
Words are just words without intent and the source though. You HAVE to consider the source. It is bizarre to me how that is not obvious. Putin first and foremost is self-serving. His country is largely third world and the system of government he reigns over is just another flavor of oppression and classism. Messaging used in the political sense as this always has interpretation behind. Most of the time, it is told to you.
Do I like his words? Sure. Sounds great! But do I agree with the man who said them? Do I have to believe that what he says is in good faith? Absolutely not and I will not. His very actions contradict these very words? His regime has oppressed so many of his people and his forces are destroying his vaunted family unit ideal literally every single day. I do not believe him and neither should any westerner. I mean, my Timothy McVeigh point also holds true. Do I believe in small government and do I think the federal acted rashly and overreacted at Waco and Ruby Ridge? Yes and yes. Do we need to study McVeighs words and commentary as well? If I agree with it should I post his manifesto here on TA with the goal of glorifying that message? The answer is no. Considering the source.
Ok cool, so you agree with what Putin said. That's all I was wondering.
File5 said:
This board has no concept of nuance sometimes, it's just sad.
If Putin came out and said gun ownership is a sacred right of the people to defend against the government, some of these people would say we need to get rid of the 2nd amendment ASAP because Putin somehow snuck it in there 250 years ago.
Him saying something factually true doesn't negate the many evil things he's done. And to Dies Irae's point, do we really hold the moral high ground? I love this country, believe its the best simply because of the personal freedoms and unlimited opportunities we enjoy. I want us to talk the talk and walk the walk in all aspects with no hypocrisy.
Its not about what he says, it's about why he says it. And he's not saying this because he believes in Jesus and good ol' fashioned family values.
Do you not understand that Russia has played a huge part in sowing the very division he is talking about? He's saying one thing in public and doing the opposite behind closed doors.
hoosier-daddy said:
I will watch nothing that satan's spawn has to say.
Do you ever watch the Democrats?
Guessing Putin's wars in Chechnya, Syria, and now Ukraine has killed 1-2 million people on both sides if you count the civilian casualties. Which you should since he actively targets them.
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JB!98 said:Nope, never mentioned or even researched McVay. Was talking about the unabomber. We watched some series about him and I read his manifesto. I have yet to blow up a building or plant bombs in mailboxes. Thanks for asking though.D-Fens said:JB!98 said:
Reminds me of when I read the Una-bomber manifesto. At first I thought, man this guy nailed this. Then I had to re-center and realize he was bat S crazy and did harm to innocent people. Lesson learned.
So to be clear, you thought Tim Mcvays arguments were legit. Then he committed senseless mass murder and his arguments were no longer valid after that?
Tim Mcvay become invalid and bat s crazy, not his criticism of Ruby Ridge and Waco.
I think you have your psycho's mixed up. Ted Kaczynski was the unabomber.
Ok, sorry....same point about Ted. You thought his points were valid, then he did something bad, and his arguments were no longer valid to you.
Principles are principles....you shouldn't stop believing something is true bc someone else you don't like agrees.
I'll answer yours if you answer mine: If Putin said the sky is blue would you say it's red?
I'll give you an example from the speech. He says the west doesn't even know what gender is (or something to that effect). Of course he believes that, and it is indeed a fact that the west is going through idiotic gender theory spasms right now.
That doesn't mean I agree with his justification to invade Ukraine or any of a million other things he's said or done.
Sure you have to understand this is propaganda and that he obviously has ulterior motives, but that doesn't deny literal facts he's saying in parts of the speech.
I'll give you an example from the speech. He says the west doesn't even know what gender is (or something to that effect). Of course he believes that, and it is indeed a fact that the west is going through idiotic gender theory spasms right now.
That doesn't mean I agree with his justification to invade Ukraine or any of a million other things he's said or done.
Sure you have to understand this is propaganda and that he obviously has ulterior motives, but that doesn't deny literal facts he's saying in parts of the speech.
I think we are talking past each other. I think the guy made some very valid points (in fact some of his points make more sense today than they did several years ago). I just did not agree with his actions beyond those points. Does that make sense?D-Fens said:JB!98 said:Nope, never mentioned or even researched McVay. Was talking about the unabomber. We watched some series about him and I read his manifesto. I have yet to blow up a building or plant bombs in mailboxes. Thanks for asking though.D-Fens said:JB!98 said:
Reminds me of when I read the Una-bomber manifesto. At first I thought, man this guy nailed this. Then I had to re-center and realize he was bat S crazy and did harm to innocent people. Lesson learned.
So to be clear, you thought Tim Mcvays arguments were legit. Then he committed senseless mass murder and his arguments were no longer valid after that?
Tim Mcvay become invalid and bat s crazy, not his criticism of Ruby Ridge and Waco.
I think you have your psycho's mixed up. Ted Kaczynski was the unabomber.
Ok, sorry....same point about Ted. You thought his points were valid, then he did something bad, and his arguments were no longer valid to you.
Principles are principles....you shouldn't stop believing something is true bc someone else you don't like agrees.
I agree with being anti-abortion, I do not agree with blowing up abortion clinics. That is the mindset.
agent-maroon said:
Guessing Putin's wars in Chechnya, Syria, and now Ukraine has killed 1-2 million people on both sides if you count the civilian casualties. Which you should since he actively targets them.
Why should I believe that? Because the media says so? They had their own agenda during Covid, they had their own agenda during the 2020 election, and they have their own now. This is the same media that claims Assad has gassed his own people every time we get ready to leave Syria.
Also, the Chechen wars were pretty much over by the time Putin stepped into the big office. Something like 9,000 Ukrainian civilians have died since the start of the war, horrible yes, but nothing in comparison to what we have done in the Middle East
I remember when this board was livid that Michelle Obama **** all over our country and now they do their best to top her.
Teslag said:
I remember when this board was livid that Michelle Obama **** all over our country and now they do their best to top her.
Michelle Obama: Someone said Barack was a Muslim and questioned his birth certificate I hate my country
Normal People: We are literally cutting the genitals off children
JB!98 said:I think we are talking past each other. I think the guy made some very valid points (in fact some of his points make more sense today than they did several years ago). I just did not agree with his actions beyond those points. Does that make sense?D-Fens said:JB!98 said:Nope, never mentioned or even researched McVay. Was talking about the unabomber. We watched some series about him and I read his manifesto. I have yet to blow up a building or plant bombs in mailboxes. Thanks for asking though.D-Fens said:JB!98 said:
Reminds me of when I read the Una-bomber manifesto. At first I thought, man this guy nailed this. Then I had to re-center and realize he was bat S crazy and did harm to innocent people. Lesson learned.
So to be clear, you thought Tim Mcvays arguments were legit. Then he committed senseless mass murder and his arguments were no longer valid after that?
Tim Mcvay become invalid and bat s crazy, not his criticism of Ruby Ridge and Waco.
I think you have your psycho's mixed up. Ted Kaczynski was the unabomber.
Ok, sorry....same point about Ted. You thought his points were valid, then he did something bad, and his arguments were no longer valid to you.
Principles are principles....you shouldn't stop believing something is true bc someone else you don't like agrees.
I agree with being anti-abortion, I do not agree with blowing up abortion clinics. That is the mindset.
You said "at first I thought this guy nailed it, but then I had to recenter"
Sorry I interpreted what you originally posted.
We had a general period of stability from then end of gulf war 1 up until 9-11.
After that it's been war 24/7, 365 since then.
Afganistan ramped down and Ukraine immediately stood up.
There was very little downtime for the war machine.
After that it's been war 24/7, 365 since then.
Afganistan ramped down and Ukraine immediately stood up.
There was very little downtime for the war machine.
Dies Irae said:
Also, the Chechen wars were pretty much over by the time Putin stepped into the big office. Something like 9,000 Ukrainian civilians have died since the start of the war, horrible yes, but nothing in comparison to what we have done in the Middle East
That's incorrect. Putin was appointed Prime Minister by Yeltsin in August 1999 (as well as being named his chosen successor) and was the driving force behind the second Chechen war, including the razing of Grozny, which not coincidentally also began in August 1999. The second war had a protracted insurgency that drug out for almost 9 years after the initial combat phase. Tens of thousands of Chechen civilians are estimated to have died as a result.
Putin was involved in the Second Chechen War up to his elbows even before he officially assumed the presidency at the end of December '99.
Sure.pagerman @ work said:SquareOne07 said:hoosier-daddy said:
I will watch nothing that satan's spawn has to say.
If Satan's spawn is being so critical of our current state of affairs here, do you disagree? Sorry, but you either have to agree with Putin here or you disagree with him and support the way the west has gone.
Alternately you could recognize it for the steaming pile of horsesh/t propaganda it is.
But it would be great to hear that from a president over here, no matter how propagandistic, wouldn't it?
You can appreciate what is being said while simultaneously knowing it's being said for political reasons.
Worth posting again since the crazy is playing out in real time on this thread.
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/10/1096741988/orthodox-christian-churches-are-drawing-in-far-right-american-converts
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Over a year of doing research, Riccardi-Swartz learned that many of these converts had grown disillusioned with social and demographic change in the United States. In ROCOR, they felt they had found a church that has remained the same, regardless of place, time and politics. But Riccardi-Swartz also found strong strains of nativism, white nationalism and pro-authoritarianism, evidenced by strong admiration for Russian President Vladimir Putin.
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/10/1096741988/orthodox-christian-churches-are-drawing-in-far-right-american-converts
It's also no mystery to most that Putin weaponized the Russian Orthodox Church as a propaganda wing of the Kremlin some time ago. I'm sure that's not necessarily the case for the orthodoxy worldwide but in Russia and within and near Russia's sphere, absolutely. Ex KGB and contraband runner Patriarch Kirill didn't get that gig because of his pious devotion to Christ.
Eliminatus said:
Why is Putin worth listening to for you? Why highlight him? There are many here stateside that also have said everything he said here.
Genuinely curious, is there anyone in Ukrainian leadership that talks like this?
It's also possible to want PEACE now so no more people suffer and to want the people of the Donbas and Crimea, who were abused repeatedly by the Ukrainian regime from 2014 and even into today, to have self determination and join Russia if they want to - which is what they want.samurai_science said:I know its hard for smooth brains to understand, but its possible to agree with some of the things he says and not agree with some of his actions. Its also possible to want the Ukraine to win and NOT have us spend any more of our middle class money on it when we are 30T in debt.pagerman @ work said:
The man knows his audience in this country. The Putin fappers will be along shortly.
It is fascinating to watch the man who is responsible for much of the divide in this country lecture this country on that very divide.
Also, I am having trouble remembering what part of "family values" includes having your political enemies (meaning people that dare disagree with you) killed.
It's also possible to agree with SOME of what Putin says about the cultural decay in the west while also recognizing that Putin himself presides over what is largely an oligarchy that claims to be a legitimately elected government. Then again -- is our federal government legitimate in of itself?
Putin is right on the march of homosexuality, transgenderism, wokeism and cultural rot in America and the West. And there is a very high probability that he is only using it as propaganda to advance his own interests. But the fact that he said it doesn't make it not true.
Jesus Christ this board will gladly believe anything just to be counter-cultural. You know there are plenty of people that could inspire you and your political views. You just happened to pick the one that hates the America and wants to make a world full of large conflicts so that he can draw lines on a map a little bit further West for Russia. Unchecked imperialism will make the future a much darker place than today and the scale will be horrific.
Putin's interests do not align with yours, but he is very glad you think they do. But hey Putin supports "family values"... Or maybe he just plays on your ideological issues with this country so that you start supporting him against your own and American interests. I think everybody should at least read about the "Foundations of Geopolitics" (1997) by Aleksandr Dugin to really understand the Russian world view and ideology. In the book, Dugin highlights the strategy Russia should take to erode American power. They are to: spread geopolitical anti-Americanism (make the main scapegoat for everything to be the US), to fuel instability and separatism, and to support all dissident movements (extremists, racists, races, etc). You think America no longer supports "family values", Putin wants you to believe he's your guy. That's the strategy. But the key is they are infiltrating and encouraging both ideological sides; in some cases to make you feel like he's on your side and in other cases they are quietly amplify the opposition. If you look through your comments, you pretty much have fallen right in-line with what Russia is trying to achieve.
Yes America has the moral high ground on Putin. Just because this country has made mistakes does not mean we are hypocritical for pointing it out. You're whataboutism is not some shield from genocide (Putin and Dugin have both openly stated that the Ukrainian identity has no right to existence). And no Putin hasn't been doing this for "just" a year and a half. See Chechnya, Georgia, and Syria. Places (in addition to Ukraine) where Putin has whiped ****ing cities off the map, and conquered people for his own imperalistic aims. Even if it meant supporting using chemical weapons on Syrians (remember when Trump launched missile strikes at Syrian bases that housed Russian aircraft over chemical weapons use in 2018). You can talk about how bad something we did in 2003 is all you want. Russia is ****ing murdering people right now because he wants to return to the era of large scale conflict over territory. And you're okay with that because of "Iraq". That makes absolutely no sense.
Where is this heading and why should you care? Because being apathetic and passive in the face of Imperialism is largely what made the costs so high in World War 2 with both Germany and Japan. Except there's no guarantee we will win or come out as unscathed in World War 3. The best prevention to that eventuality is detterence. And the lowest risk for America if there is conflict is for that conflict to happen before they expand. Not only is Russia's imperialism an issue, but Xi Jiping is paying very close attention to how we act. What is our resolve likely to be if they invade Taiwan? The Philippines? South Korea? Japan? Hawaii? And why does it matter even if it isn't on American soil? Because our standard of living is dependent on global commodity flows and trade. They can't compete with America's purchasing power, but they can use force to sieze resources away from us if we let them. Letting China and Russia do that is the biggest threat to the life we have and the life we want to have.
Putin's interests do not align with yours, but he is very glad you think they do. But hey Putin supports "family values"... Or maybe he just plays on your ideological issues with this country so that you start supporting him against your own and American interests. I think everybody should at least read about the "Foundations of Geopolitics" (1997) by Aleksandr Dugin to really understand the Russian world view and ideology. In the book, Dugin highlights the strategy Russia should take to erode American power. They are to: spread geopolitical anti-Americanism (make the main scapegoat for everything to be the US), to fuel instability and separatism, and to support all dissident movements (extremists, racists, races, etc). You think America no longer supports "family values", Putin wants you to believe he's your guy. That's the strategy. But the key is they are infiltrating and encouraging both ideological sides; in some cases to make you feel like he's on your side and in other cases they are quietly amplify the opposition. If you look through your comments, you pretty much have fallen right in-line with what Russia is trying to achieve.
Yes America has the moral high ground on Putin. Just because this country has made mistakes does not mean we are hypocritical for pointing it out. You're whataboutism is not some shield from genocide (Putin and Dugin have both openly stated that the Ukrainian identity has no right to existence). And no Putin hasn't been doing this for "just" a year and a half. See Chechnya, Georgia, and Syria. Places (in addition to Ukraine) where Putin has whiped ****ing cities off the map, and conquered people for his own imperalistic aims. Even if it meant supporting using chemical weapons on Syrians (remember when Trump launched missile strikes at Syrian bases that housed Russian aircraft over chemical weapons use in 2018). You can talk about how bad something we did in 2003 is all you want. Russia is ****ing murdering people right now because he wants to return to the era of large scale conflict over territory. And you're okay with that because of "Iraq". That makes absolutely no sense.
Where is this heading and why should you care? Because being apathetic and passive in the face of Imperialism is largely what made the costs so high in World War 2 with both Germany and Japan. Except there's no guarantee we will win or come out as unscathed in World War 3. The best prevention to that eventuality is detterence. And the lowest risk for America if there is conflict is for that conflict to happen before they expand. Not only is Russia's imperialism an issue, but Xi Jiping is paying very close attention to how we act. What is our resolve likely to be if they invade Taiwan? The Philippines? South Korea? Japan? Hawaii? And why does it matter even if it isn't on American soil? Because our standard of living is dependent on global commodity flows and trade. They can't compete with America's purchasing power, but they can use force to sieze resources away from us if we let them. Letting China and Russia do that is the biggest threat to the life we have and the life we want to have.
Nothing says you have to. Just like nothing says I should believe anything you post when it appears to be supported solely by your own belligerent assertions.Quote:
Why should I believe that? Because the media says so?
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