Israel/Hamas going at it

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I've read some serious commentary from commentators I respect who seem to indicate the IDF never amassed the forces required to fully occupy the Gaza Strip, only to move from one part to another part, basically. From watching the news this seems to have been the case to me, but I really don't know (nor understand their force structure/options to amass more manpower).

Are they building up more substantial forces this time to actually occupy the whole thing?
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nortex97 said:

I've read some serious commentary from commentators I respect who seem to indicate the IDF never amassed the forces required to fully occupy the Gaza Strip, only to move from one part to another part, basically. From watching the news this seems to have been the case to me, but I really don't know (nor understand their force structure/options to amass more manpower).

Are they building up more substantial forces this time to actually occupy the whole thing?
Waiting for us to occupy the rest.
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Still kind of sort of going on, but mostly on pause. 'Palestinians' threw a party to celebrate handing over the bodies of murdered kids.


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Hamas transferred the coffins of the dead hostages locked, with keys that don't open them.
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nortex97 said:

I've read some serious commentary from commentators I respect who seem to indicate the IDF never amassed the forces required to fully occupy the Gaza Strip, only to move from one part to another part, basically. From watching the news this seems to have been the case to me, but I really don't know (nor understand their force structure/options to amass more manpower).

Are they building up more substantial forces this time to actually occupy the whole thing?


This is correct. The Israelis don't have enough ground forces to fully assault Gaza while also adequately guarding their northern borders with Lebanon and Syria. That was the Iranian strategy - force the Israelis to thin their defensive lines so Hezbollah could more easily infiltrate.

Don't know about future attack plans but the Hez threat, while seriously diminished, is not completely removed. The Israeli military needed a pause/reset too, much of their fighting force comes from the reserves which removes a lot of able body working folks from the economy, placing yet another strain on their society at large.
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The Palestinians already breaking the rules of the ceasefire. They need to be removed from Israel and dumped into the desert.

From WSJ:

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Amid the crowds were some Palestinians recently released by Israel in the cease-fire deal who were supposed to be exiled from Gaza, according to the terms of the agreement. Those spotted in the crowds included Mohammed Abu Warda, who was sentenced for planning a 1996 bus bombing that killed more than 40 Israelis.
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I sure hope POTUS TRUMP sees what the friendly Hamas terrorists have been saying about him during their

"sure we murder babies and the elderly celebration"

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bkag9824 said:

nortex97 said:

I've read some serious commentary from commentators I respect who seem to indicate the IDF never amassed the forces required to fully occupy the Gaza Strip, only to move from one part to another part, basically. From watching the news this seems to have been the case to me, but I really don't know (nor understand their force structure/options to amass more manpower).

Are they building up more substantial forces this time to actually occupy the whole thing?


This is correct. The Israelis don't have enough ground forces to fully assault Gaza while also adequately guarding their northern borders with Lebanon and Syria. That was the Iranian strategy - force the Israelis to thin their defensive lines so Hezbollah could more easily infiltrate.

Don't know about future attack plans but the Hez threat, while seriously diminished, is not completely removed. The Israeli military needed a pause/reset too, much of their fighting force comes from the reserves which removes a lot of able body working folks from the economy, placing yet another strain on their society at large.

I don't think the plan is to ever "occupy" every meter of Gaza

it's to degrade the Hamas ability to ever launch another attack on Israel.

now that Hizbullah has been degraded in South Lebanon and there is a ceasefire- that means more troops available to flatten Khan Younis

at the same time, these soldiers have been in rough combat for months on end so it's not like they can just keep sending the same guys back in like Hamburger Hill
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cant say i would have been upset if a JDAM (or 10) landed in that crowd. If that was my dead family being returned, that would be the best tribute to them i could wish for...
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it's horrifying that there are demonstrations IN TEXAS for Hamas terrorists..

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Knowing my child was already dead and desecrated by those barbarians, I'd want the IDF to drop a MOAB right then and there. **** all those heathens!
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LMCane said:

it's horrifying that there are demonstrations IN TEXAS for Hamas terrorists..


If it's in Austin does it really count as Texas?
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You mean the deepest depths of the Mediterranean.
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AgCMT said:


If it's in Austin does it really count as Texas?
No. It's East Kommiefornia.
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The next time a Hamas terrorist supporter whines about Gaza being flattened...

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That parading of those children's bodies is beyond sick! What did our President mean when he said "all hell is going to break loose unless all hostages released". These animals (Hamas & followers) need to be treated like a rabid dog! Hamas is going to release just a few at a time to buy time and exhort the worst cruelty they can upon Israel.
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Junction71 said:

That parading of those children's bodies is beyond sick! What did our President mean when he said "all hell is going to break loose unless all hostages released". These animals (Hamas & followers) need to be treated like a rabid dog! Hamas is going to release just a few at a time to buy time and exhort the worst cruelty they can upon Israel.
The IDF never forgets and when the ceasefire is over, they will exact their revenge.
LMCane
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surprise surprise that an 84 year old "peace activist" was murdered by Palestinian Islamic Jihad

and not "killed in an Israeli air raid"

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Is this finally it?



Is the us about to invade Gaza?
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lb sand said:

Is this finally it?



Is the us about to invade Gaza?

We can just level it
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samurai_science said:

lb sand said:

Is this finally it?



Is the us about to invade Gaza?

We can just level it


Please no more boots on the ground.
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LMCane
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I don't have kids, but have no idea how some of these people are going to keep living when most of their families have been murdered by vicious Palestinian terrorists

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End these people right now.

No more.
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I REALLY would not taunt our current President. He is not like the rest and doesn't have to be.................and neither is his Sec of Defense (I'm 99% sure at least), in that once the mission is clearly defined it will be completed.

I could see us unleashing some massive, relentless air support to help IDF go in and finish the job. Don't F with Trump. Every single cute green headband needs to be turned to ash.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14418951/israel-terror-attack-bus-explosion-bat-yam.html
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Israel has narrowly avoided mass carnage after three empty buses exploded into fireballs tonight, with officials warning the blazes could have been fatal but detonators' timers had been set for the wrong time.

Shocking footage shows smoke rising into the sky while fire leaps from the vehicles, with snaps of the aftermath showing the charred remains.

Israeli forces quickly labelled the horror, which unfolded around 9pm local time, a 'suspected terror attack' as more bombs were found on other buses.

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Police are investigating the explosion adding 'large forces are at the scenes, searching for suspects'.

A defence official has stated incendiary devices were accidentally set for 9pm instead of 9am.

Local forces confirmed three bombs exploded while two were being defused at separate locations with fears 'hundreds could have died' had the devices set off as intended.

A spokesman said: 'These are identical explosive devices with a timer. Three have detonated, and two additional ones have been located and are currently being neutralised.'

Hamas's Tulkarm battalion has reportedly hinted at responsibility for the explosions.



Time for the IDF to finish the job and eradicate them.
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Taunting Israel, taunting Trump, breaking ceasefires, continuing with their terrorist ways... Their abject depravity is exceeded only by their stupidity. They're about to get lit up, leveled, and possibly eradicated and they will have no one to blame but themselves.
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Such a bunch of high IQ people.

Put bombs on buses with timers and set the timers for p.m. instead of a.m...

They are literally too stupid to be terrorists.

You can't make this kind of stuff up.

I dare you to even try.
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just when you think Hamas terrorists have plumbed the depths of the depravity barrel

they outdo themselves

Baby Kfir and 4 year old Ariel were brutally murdered in November 2023 a month after capture.

84 year old Oded Lif****z brutally murdered November 2023

fourth body is NOT THAT OF THE MOTHER who is now missing.

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4 said:

Such a bunch of high IQ people.

Put bombs on buses with timers and set the timers for p.m. instead of a.m...

They are literally too stupid to be terrorists.

You can't make this kind of stuff up.

I dare you to even try.

the Islamist terrorists in the USA have been just as stupid in their attacks here in CONUS over the past 20 years
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4 said:

Such a bunch of high IQ people.

Put bombs on buses with timers and set the timers for p.m. instead of a.m...

They are literally too stupid to be terrorists.

You can't make this kind of stuff up.

I dare you to even try.
Don't underestimate them.

They have shown an incredible resiliency and ability to withstand a year+ of constant bombardment, and more importantly still have living hostages that the Israelis very much want back alive.

Said it before, but I wouldn't want to be the last living hostage in Gaza. Hamas has 0 incentive to actually give them back to the Israelis. Hamas knows Israel is going to clean house, especially now that their brothers in the West Bank have attempted this mass bombing, once the last living hostage is returned.

Will be very interesting to see how the Israeli's respond to this bombing attempt. They were, in a word, lucky.

Edit - And the intel agencies over there have a lot of explaining to do, now more so than ever after 10/7, how these bombs made their way onto buses.
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No.
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bkag9824 said:

4 said:

Such a bunch of high IQ people.

Put bombs on buses with timers and set the timers for p.m. instead of a.m...

They are literally too stupid to be terrorists.

You can't make this kind of stuff up.

I dare you to even try.
Don't underestimate them.

They have shown an incredible resiliency and ability to withstand a year+ of constant bombardment, and more importantly still have living hostages that the Israelis very much want back alive.

Said it before, but I wouldn't want to be the last living hostage in Gaza. Hamas has 0 incentive to actually give them back to the Israelis. Hamas knows Israel is going to clean house, especially now that their brothers in the West Bank have attempted this mass bombing, once the last living hostage is returned.

Will be very interesting to see how the Israeli's respond to this bombing attempt. They were, in a word, lucky.

Edit - And the intel agencies over there have a lot of explaining to do, now more so than ever after 10/7, how these bombs made their way onto buses.
Because Israel is fighting a war using rules instead of the goal to wipe the enemy out.

If they put everyone in Gaza to the sword the problem would be solved, but they wont do it.
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At this point there are no more "innocent" Palestinians. When everyone in the community is celebrating the murder of children things are too far gone.

And I have seen a few post about the mom Shiri not being the female body that was returned. Now with Trump in the White House there should no longer be a ceasefire
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lb sand said:

Is this finally it?



Is the us about to invade Gaza?

Tier one guys, about to get phone calls that they get to shoot at live targets.
"All the gods, all the heavens, all the hells are within you". Joseph Campbell
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Understand the sentiment, and don't necessarily disagree.

But the Israelis are and have been hampered by their desire to return all living hostages. That does impair their ability to wage war. Unfortunately for Israeli leadership, their constituents would overthrow the government if they knew the IDF operated with minimal concern for the living hostage's wellbeing. So would we if we knew the US government approved operations that would knowingly kill our citizens.

No living hostages = significantly different ROEs, aims, and methods.
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Continue to stand by my statement, each and every one of those mother ****ers need to be eliminated.
I dont care about families, terrorist. All the same. End them
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