Street Fighter said:

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UTExan said:

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/05/vigano-excommunicated-schism-pope-francis/

" ROME The Vatican on Friday excommunicated Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigan, exacting a severe punishment on the most vociferous internal critic of Pope Francis for refusing to recognize the authority of the pope and liberal reforms made by the Roman Catholic Church since the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s.
Such drastic steps are exceedingly rare in the church and illustrated the extent to which Vigan the Vatican's former ambassador to the United States is perceived to have crossed a line. He has called on the pope to resign and excoriated him in harsh terms, including calling him "a servant of Satan."
Vigan's punishment suggests that Francis, who has faced conservative criticism since early in his papacy, may be losing patience with his sharpest critics in the church hierarchy who have challenged his papal authority in sometimes shocking and irreverent terms. It is also an indication of how Vigan has morphed over the years from a being a critic of the pope and the church's shortcomings on dealing with clerical abuse into a fringe conservative firebrand…"

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Political because this pope is political.

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The pope is a communist and is probably stuffing his own pockets.

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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PabloSerna said:

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He actually did this himself by refusing to submit to the authority of the Pope and rejecting much of the teachings of Vatican II. It just finally caught up to him because as you will see, his view on both have influenced many of the faithful. He had his day in court.

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…so when a pope is wrong, every attempt to correct him is automatically heretical. What a GREAT system.

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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PabloSerna said:

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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PabloSerna said:

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He actually did this himself by refusing to submit to the authority of the Pope and rejecting much of the teachings of Vatican II. It just finally caught up to him because as you will see, his view on both have influenced many of the faithful. He had his day in court.

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…so when a pope is wrong, every attempt to correct him is automatically heretical. What a GREAT system.

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Tell me in great detail where the Pope is wrong?

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Romans 3:23 for starters.

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Owlagdad said:

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Now do heretics. Biden and Pelosi.

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rocky the dog said:

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He actually did this himself by refusing to submit to the authority of the Pope and rejecting much of the teachings of Vatican II. It just finally caught up to him because as you will see, his view on both have influenced many of the faithful. He had his day in court.

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So, we can presume that you also think Jesus did it to himself by refusing to submit to the authority or Rome.

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jrico2727 said:

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UTExan said:

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/05/vigano-excommunicated-schism-pope-francis/

" ROME The Vatican on Friday excommunicated Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigan, exacting a severe punishment on the most vociferous internal critic of Pope Francis for refusing to recognize the authority of the pope and liberal reforms made by the Roman Catholic Church since the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s.
Such drastic steps are exceedingly rare in the church and illustrated the extent to which Vigan the Vatican's former ambassador to the United States is perceived to have crossed a line. He has called on the pope to resign and excoriated him in harsh terms, including calling him "a servant of Satan."
Vigan's punishment suggests that Francis, who has faced conservative criticism since early in his papacy, may be losing patience with his sharpest critics in the church hierarchy who have challenged his papal authority in sometimes shocking and irreverent terms. It is also an indication of how Vigan has morphed over the years from a being a critic of the pope and the church's shortcomings on dealing with clerical abuse into a fringe conservative firebrand…"

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Political because this pope is political.

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Since you post on the R&P forum if you were seeking an actual discussion you would have posted there. Posting here only leads to Pope and Catholic bashing so congrats on achieving that.

1 Vigano is guilty and he admitted as much in his statement given to the proceeding.

2 Vigano refused to show up and defend himself. He has arguments appear to have merit, but saints usually don't avoid court proceedings even if they are rigged or the charges false, they like Our Lord they will face power with truth

3. They are trying to use Vigano as a false flag and make him the pseudo leader of traditional Catholics, which he is not, there are many varying degrees of opinion of him. However now, we all be labeled as his disciples by those who pursue a modern faith and have to vilify the traditional one in the process.

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747Ag said:

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jrico2727 said:

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UTExan said:

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/05/vigano-excommunicated-schism-pope-francis/

" ROME The Vatican on Friday excommunicated Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigan, exacting a severe punishment on the most vociferous internal critic of Pope Francis for refusing to recognize the authority of the pope and liberal reforms made by the Roman Catholic Church since the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s.
Such drastic steps are exceedingly rare in the church and illustrated the extent to which Vigan the Vatican's former ambassador to the United States is perceived to have crossed a line. He has called on the pope to resign and excoriated him in harsh terms, including calling him "a servant of Satan."
Vigan's punishment suggests that Francis, who has faced conservative criticism since early in his papacy, may be losing patience with his sharpest critics in the church hierarchy who have challenged his papal authority in sometimes shocking and irreverent terms. It is also an indication of how Vigan has morphed over the years from a being a critic of the pope and the church's shortcomings on dealing with clerical abuse into a fringe conservative firebrand…"

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Political because this pope is political.

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Since you post on the R&P forum if you were seeking an actual discussion you would have posted there. Posting here only leads to Pope and Catholic bashing so congrats on achieving that.

1 Vigano is guilty and he admitted as much in his statement given to the proceeding.

2 Vigano refused to show up and defend himself. He has arguments appear to have merit, but saints usually don't avoid court proceedings even if they are rigged or the charges false, they like Our Lord they will face power with truth

3. They are trying to use Vigano as a false flag and make him the pseudo leader of traditional Catholics, which he is not, there are many varying degrees of opinion of him. However now, we all be labeled as his disciples by those who pursue a modern faith and have to vilify the traditional one in the process.

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Regarding #2, he stated that he wore this accusation as a badge of honor.

Regarding #3, I know more people in traditional circles that roll their eyes at Vigano these days than not.

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dreyOO said:

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Just excommunicated the one brave archbishop that was willing to speak truth to power. That's just perfect.

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