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93MarineHorn said:

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NeverSeenEmWin said:

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TexasAGGIEinAR said:

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They're just bulking up before they start jabbing themselves with Wegovy and Ozempic needles. Real shocker that big pharma has found a way to profit big while making folks not even have to put forth effort to shed weight.

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Most people aren't losing weight because of all the junk in our food and the fact that we have a culture dependent on sitting in front of a computer all day. Not to mention the mental health issues that are often left untreated due to our country's atrocious health care policies. It's not about the lack of"effort", it's policy failures on almost every front.

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The food industry and "culture" prevent you from going outside for a walk?

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Going out for a walk is not going to solve obesity. You'll burn what 300 calories in an hour?

How many neighborhoods even have sidewalks? There are barely sidewalks inside the city of Houston. It's mostly narrow roads w/out sidewalks. A lot of neighborhoods don't even have grocery stores nearby, there are such things as food deserts.

Furthermore, if you're working 8-10 hours a day, commuting 1-2 hours, and having to take care of kids you are left with very little time to cook healthy foods and exercise.

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These are choices. Someone living this lifestyle has placed their health far down the priority list and are looking to blame someone else for their obesity. You can exercise at home. I do P90X in a small room several days a week (when I'm not being lazy). No gym membership and no sidewalks required.

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Yeah everyone should definitely choose to workout as opposed to working to provide for their family.....

I'm unsure if you realize that not everyone has the same circumstances and choices as you do.

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I'm unsure if you're being serious or just trolling. I've had a full time job for the last 35 years. During that time I raised two sons and was very active in their lives. I coached many of their little league teams and was also married during this period. I made exercising a higher priority. It doesn't take more than 30 minutes to get in a good run or home workout.

My wife and I bought healthy groceries and kept sweets out of the house except during holidays. When we'd visit our friends that were on the heavier side I always saw a fridge full of sodas and a pantry full of chips and other junk. They ate a lot of crappy food and their kids were fat, too.

Even when busy, people can make time if they want to. When I'm tight on time and don't have time to run or hit the gym, I do pushups and crunches in the kitchen/dining room while breakfast / coffee is going. And when moving around the house I do lunges.

On most days I can knock out 200/200 pushups/crunches just fitting them into small time spots where I'd otherwise be waiting on something/someone.

Sweep4-2 said:

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Even when busy, people can make time if they want to. When I'm tight on time and don't have time to run or hit the gym, I do pushups and crunches in the kitchen/dining room while breakfast / coffee is going. And when moving around the house I do lunges.

On most days I can knock out 200/200 pushups/crunches just fitting them into small time spots where I'd otherwise be waiting on something/someone.

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Are you married with kids? Most men who have a wife and children rely on their wives to do most of the cleaning, cooking, shopping, etc .. That is a luxury that most women and single parents do not have.

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When we'd visit our friends that were on the heavier side I always saw a fridge full of sodas and a pantry full of chips and other junk. They ate a lot of crappy food and their kids were fat, too.

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As a follow on to my earlier post. The heavy couple's youngest child "rebelled" in high school and started eating much differently from the rest of the family. He lost about 75 lbs and has stayed in great shape into his now late 20's.

What I found so remarkable when this happened was that he had to overcome his own parents' resistance to him choosing a healthier diet. His mom and dad (my friends) kind of resented him for it. Like what they were providing wasn't good enough for him. It was sad, but understandable. He was a constant reminder that they were fat because they chose to be.

thelaw4 said:

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93MarineHorn said:

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thelaw4 said:

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NeverSeenEmWin said:

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thelaw4 said:

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TexasAGGIEinAR said:

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They're just bulking up before they start jabbing themselves with Wegovy and Ozempic needles. Real shocker that big pharma has found a way to profit big while making folks not even have to put forth effort to shed weight.

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Most people aren't losing weight because of all the junk in our food and the fact that we have a culture dependent on sitting in front of a computer all day. Not to mention the mental health issues that are often left untreated due to our country's atrocious health care policies. It's not about the lack of"effort", it's policy failures on almost every front.

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The food industry and "culture" prevent you from going outside for a walk?

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Going out for a walk is not going to solve obesity. You'll burn what 300 calories in an hour?

How many neighborhoods even have sidewalks? There are barely sidewalks inside the city of Houston. It's mostly narrow roads w/out sidewalks. A lot of neighborhoods don't even have grocery stores nearby, there are such things as food deserts.

Furthermore, if you're working 8-10 hours a day, commuting 1-2 hours, and having to take care of kids you are left with very little time to cook healthy foods and exercise.

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These are choices. Someone living this lifestyle has placed their health far down the priority list and are looking to blame someone else for their obesity. You can exercise at home. I do P90X in a small room several days a week (when I'm not being lazy). No gym membership and no sidewalks required.

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Yeah everyone should definitely choose to workout as opposed to working to provide for their family.....

I'm unsure if you realize that not everyone has the same circumstances and choices as you do.

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Even just eating right and squeezing in 3-4 45 min brisk walks a week is enough to massively benefit most people.

Could honestly add years and years to a currently fat person's life.

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Made me spit up my coffee.

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Rocky is on a roll.

thelaw4 said:

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Sweep4-2 said:

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Even when busy, people can make time if they want to. When I'm tight on time and don't have time to run or hit the gym, I do pushups and crunches in the kitchen/dining room while breakfast / coffee is going. And when moving around the house I do lunges.

On most days I can knock out 200/200 pushups/crunches just fitting them into small time spots where I'd otherwise be waiting on something/someone.

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Are you married with kids? Most men who have a wife and children rely on their wives to do most of the cleaning, cooking, shopping, etc .. That is a luxury that most women and single parents do not have.

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I won't belittle your situation and claim that some situations aren't harder than others. Because they most definitely are. But you are coping here.

You can make this happen; you just have to find a process that fits into your schedule. There are literally thousands of books, websites, resources, etc that cover every living scenario you can possibly imagine to figure out ways to get healthier.

My own situation...I've always been in tip top shape until I hit 45 and then age, shoulder injuries, back surgery, weird nerve issues that are unexplainable have repeatedly sidelined me and cause me to have to start over. But I keep at it because I'm stubborn. I keep removing and replacing exercises to try and find things that fit with my body that don't aggravate or complicate my issues.

I do a lot of body weight stuff as a result. Weights are largely off limits to me these days but at 51 you can do a lot with body weight exercises in any room in your house. We don't have a gym membership anymore. We have app subs instead. Cheaper and much more flexible. (I still prefer a gym but there aren't any good ones around us).

Regardless, diet is more important and is 80% of the issue. Eat less and eat better. It's as simple as that.

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I'm unsure if you're being serious or just trolling. I've had a full time job for the last 35 years. During that time I raised two sons and was very active in their lives. I coached many of their little league teams and was also married during this period. I made exercising a higher priority. It doesn't take more than 30 minutes to get in a good run or home workout.

My wife and I bought healthy groceries and kept sweets out of the house except during holidays. When we'd visit our friends that were on the heavier side I always saw a fridge full of sodas and a pantry full of chips and other junk. They ate a lot of crappy food and their kids were fat, too.

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And the crazy thing most people don't realize, is that being active (exercising) helps you be more active in their lives...rather than mailing it in at times because you are low energy and your body is breaking down.

if someone can't get three to four 45min workouts in per week and eat healthier...maybe the spouse needs to carry more of their load.

Married and have a college age son. But I do the mini-workout I mentioned when I'm cooking, cleaning, etc and might otherwise be standing still or sitting. And instead of watching tv sitting, I'll plank or stretch.

I'm not saying that people aren't busy, just saying that there are lots of small windows into which short bursts of physical activities can be fit into.

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Obesity is not due to lack of exercise.

Exercise as means to stay thin is the myth #1.

People just eat too much. It's that simple.

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I think it's both, but no one can tell me there won't be a big difference between (a) a person who eats like sh** and doesn't exercise at all, and (b) someone who eats the exact same sh** diet and goes after it good at least 3-4 days a week. Probably at least a 15-20 lb difference. With that delta expanding over time as person (a) continues to live like a complete slob and the other maintains a physical fitness routine. I bet a lot of collegiate athletes come into school after living off a pretty crap diet their entire lives, but they worked their tails off.

Also, being physical does seem to make you instinctually more careful about what you put into your body.

AggieDruggist89 said:

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Obesity is not due to lack of exercise.

Exercise as means to stay thin is the myth #1.

People just eat too much. It's that simple.

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This really can't be true.

Your body is meant to move. If you aren't moving your body isn't functioning properly. Exercise is a great way to reduce stress and stress is likely a big driver of overeating.

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thelaw4 said:

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Sweep4-2 said:

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Even when busy, people can make time if they want to. When I'm tight on time and don't have time to run or hit the gym, I do pushups and crunches in the kitchen/dining room while breakfast / coffee is going. And when moving around the house I do lunges.

On most days I can knock out 200/200 pushups/crunches just fitting them into small time spots where I'd otherwise be waiting on something/someone.

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Are you married with kids? Most men who have a wife and children rely on their wives to do most of the cleaning, cooking, shopping, etc .. That is a luxury that most women and single parents do not have.

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I won't belittle your situation and claim that some situations aren't harder than others. Because they most definitely are. But you are coping here.

You can make this happen; you just have to find a process that fits into your schedule. There are literally thousands of books, websites, resources, etc that cover every living scenario you can possibly imagine to figure out ways to get healthier.

My own situation...I've always been in tip top shape until I hit 45 and then age, shoulder injuries, back surgery, weird nerve issues that are unexplainable have repeatedly sidelined me and cause me to have to start over. But I keep at it because I'm stubborn. I keep removing and replacing exercises to try and find things that fit with my body that don't aggravate or complicate my issues.

I do a lot of body weight stuff as a result. Weights are largely off limits to me these days but at 51 you can do a lot with body weight exercises in any room in your house. We don't have a gym membership anymore. We have app subs instead. Cheaper and much more flexible. (I still prefer a gym but there aren't any good ones around us).

Regardless, diet is more important and is 80% of the issue. Eat less and eat better. It's as simple as that.

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This isn't my situation. I'm not married, don't have kids, am not overweight, I don't commute to work. However, I am capable of understanding that not everyone has the same situation as me or choices as me.

AggieDruggist89 said:

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Obesity is not due to lack of exercise.

Exercise as means to stay thin is the myth #1.

People just eat too much. It's that simple.

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This is correct. Portion control is the key to weight management. GLP weight loss happens through behavioral modification. Overeat = diarrhea.

"GLP-1 medications slow down how quickly your stomach empties, which can cause food to sit in your stomach for longer. This can lead to diarrhea, especially if you're not eating enough fiber"

https://www.verywellhealth.com/foods-to-avoid-on-ozempic-8404364#:~:text=Because%20the%20medications%20delay%20gastric,and%20out%20of%20the%20body.

texagbeliever said:

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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Obesity is not due to lack of exercise.

Exercise as means to stay thin is the myth #1.

People just eat too much. It's that simple.

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This really can't be true.

Your body is meant to move. If you aren't moving your body isn't functioning properly. Exercise is a great way to reduce stress and stress is likely a big driver of overeating.

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It also burns a ton of calories. A lot of New Yorkers and Euros eat like crap but are slim because they are constantly on the move.

Inactivity is horrible for you.

As an ultra-distance trail runner, I agree with the "You can't outrun a bad diet".

Exercise and diet are both important, but the fastest way to cut weight is a clean diet and low calories.

And if you really want unhealthy short-term-but-unsustainable loss then severe dehydration also works.

El Gallo Blanco said:

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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Obesity is not due to lack of exercise.

Exercise as means to stay thin is the myth #1.

People just eat too much. It's that simple.

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I think it's both, but no one can tell me there won't be a big difference between (a) a person who eats like sh** and doesn't exercise at all, and (b) someone who eats the exact same sh** diet and goes after it good at least 3-4 days a week. Probably at least a 15-20 lb difference. With that delta expanding over time as person (a) continues to live like a complete slob and the other maintains a physical fitness routine. I bet a lot of collegiate athletes come into school after living off a pretty crap diet their entire lives, but they worked their tails off.

Also, being physical does seem to make you instinctually more careful about what you put into your body.

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Keep your same physical activity. Eat a piece of bacon and drink a can of coke per day but no more and report back to me in 3 months, 50 pounds lighter.

People overcomplicate obesity.

Just cut your food intake in half and see what happens.

Was the food good ? What did you have ?

texagbeliever said:

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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Obesity is not due to lack of exercise.

Exercise as means to stay thin is the myth #1.

People just eat too much. It's that simple.

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This really can't be true.

Your body is meant to move. If you aren't moving your body isn't functioning properly. Exercise is a great way to reduce stress and stress is likely a big driver of overeating.

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Not denying the benefits of exercise.

However, if you exercise while increasing caloric intake by a lotbecause you are hungrier and feel justified eating because you exercised, you will still gain weight.

El Gallo Blanco said:

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texagbeliever said:

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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Obesity is not due to lack of exercise.

Exercise as means to stay thin is the myth #1.

People just eat too much. It's that simple.

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This really can't be true.

Your body is meant to move. If you aren't moving your body isn't functioning properly. Exercise is a great way to reduce stress and stress is likely a big driver of overeating.

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It also burns a ton of calories. A lot of New Yorkers and Euros eat like crap but are slim because they are constantly on the move.

Inactivity is horrible for you.

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Tons of calories??? Nah...

Intense aerocic exercise like riding bike for an hour 20mph may burn 1000 calories and Chipotle Chicken burrito has about 1000 calories. Eat a bit more and you will still gain weight.

Let's put it this way..

Obese people aren't disciplined enough to exercise nor eat less. Quite frankly, eating less is million times easier than exercising. Those who exercise are disciplined enough to have proper diet and intake, anecdotal of course.

Easiest way to lose weight is by cutting caloric intake first. Sorry, I meant GLP-1 agonist shots...

rocky the dog said:

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There is absolutely nothing unsafe about GMO's and glyphosate

thelaw4 said:

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TexasAGGIEinAR said:

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They're just bulking up before they start jabbing themselves with Wegovy and Ozempic needles. Real shocker that big pharma has found a way to profit big while making folks not even have to put forth effort to shed weight.

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Most people aren't losing weight because of all the junk in our food and the fact that we have a culture dependent on sitting in front of a computer all day. Not to mention the mental health issues that are often left untreated due to our country's atrocious health care policies. It's not about the lack of"effort", it's policy failures on almost every front.

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Its alot of failures, but its also a lack of effort. Come the eff on.

Weight loss is primarily a function of calories in v calories out. That's it. Exercise, however, is not as critical on the "burning" calories side, so much of it is making sure the weight primarily comes from fat, and keeps other body systems working the way it should.

When we are talking about the 100 pounds overweight guys, they need to cut what they eat in half. Maybe even by 3/4. The weight will melt off.

It really is a matter of portion control. For the general population. Everything is so damn palatable now. You want to keep eating and get "full." (and also not "Waste food.") But really, you just need to not eat it. And for effsakes, don't go back for "seconds."

Full dososure,

Yeah I exercise some.. Weight lift and golf. I weigh the same as I did in HS. 165 pounds. 32 waist.

Wife weighs 120, 25 year old daughter weighs 120, 19 year old son weighs 150.

Theres no obesity in my family. We eat like crap sometimes... Like in n out double double few days ago with coke and fries. And I ate icecream in addition to a whole box of Walkers butter bread.

But overall, don't eat very much.

Couldn't agree more with your take. People simply eat too much. Everyone wants to go down some big rabbit hole of conspiracies of big ag, chemicals, etc when in reality people just eat too ****ing much.

That's why GLP-1's work. They don't make the food any healthier. They don't change what your food is. They just make you stop eating like an elephant. And that alone with no exercise makes people lose weight and their blood work magically get much better.

Jared Fogle, I know... Child molester, with his subway diet (1000 cal per day at some point) lost a crap ton of weight. I think he walked some too. I wouldn't consider his diet healthy nonetheless he lost it through caloric deprivation.

AggieDruggist89 said:

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Full dososure,

Yeah I exercise some.. Weight lift and golf. I weigh the same as I did in HS. 165 pounds. 32 waist.

Wife weighs 120, 25 year old daughter weighs 120, 19 year old son weighs 150.

Theres no obesity in my family. We eat like crap sometimes... Like in n out double double few days ago with coke and fries. And I ate icecream in addition to a whole box of Walkers butter bread.

But overall, don't eat very much.

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If you walk and carry a bag while playing golf a few days a week that is all the exercise you'll need to stay thin.

Obesity is a cultural issue, not a food supply one. If it were a food supply problem, the rates wouldn't vary as much as they do by State.

That's my next goal. 51 years old and losing any weight at all has been VERY difficult. I walk/exercise about 3 times per week and eat pretty well, but nothing is budging. I am going to try to cut calories and food intake substantially to see if it works. Tired of being 30+ lbs overweight.

Don't get me started on long distance running make Nike rich by buying shoes while you run towards hip and knee replacement by 55 we were long stance running hunters chasing gazelle to exhaustion bull crap.

I've never ever met a Bubba who barehanded chased down a buck to exhaustion for a kill.