South Korea Plane Crash - Boeing 737

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CanyonAg77
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Interesting that it may have been some sort of failure leading to the go-around, followed by the bird strike.

Loss of the "black boxes" is sure going to hurt this investigation.

Side issue, anyone know how long is the data storage period? My assumption is there is some period of time, then the current date is written over the old data. There was an American Airlines flight the last week or so that was flying out of the Middle East or Turkey, and turned around after having problems. They flew another hour or more back to the original airport.

If there had been a crash, one wonders if the pertinent data would have been lost.
torrid
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I believe engine data can be sent real-time by satellite to the manufacturer. Makes me wonder about all the other plane data.
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Both engines struck by birds.

From 7:20 on in video, it is stated aircraft lost some components due to electrical loss at 8:58, at a speed of 161, and altitude of 491ft.

Does a 737 loaded like that have the capacity to make the final maneuvers without any thrust from either engine or more than likely they had to have had some thrust?
bthotugigem05
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They had enough thrust to go around so the engines must have had some thrust.
Kenneth_2003
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torrid said:

I believe engine data can be sent real-time by satellite to the manufacturer. Makes me wonder about all the other plane data.
ACARS isn't sent continuously. It's sent in packetized batches at set intervals, and I don't think it's the full data stream. It's just a status check.
Kenneth_2003
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Watched Blancolirio's newest video last night (the one posted at the bottom of the previous page).
It begs the question if the go-around was simply for the presence of the birds. If the pilots saw the birds, especially if they were like those seen in the clip he showed, that may have been sufficient to opt to go around, and possibly even setup to land going the other way where the birds weren't congregated, but they still hit them.
torrid
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Kenneth_2003 said:

torrid said:

I believe engine data can be sent real-time by satellite to the manufacturer. Makes me wonder about all the other plane data.
ACARS isn't sent continuously. It's sent in packetized batches at set intervals, and I don't think it's the full data stream. It's just a status check.
OK, makes sense. I just remember when the Malaysia Airlines flight that disappeared over the Indian Ocean, they had some data coming from the engines. It seems the pilot thought he had all the communications shut down, but the engine telemetry was a completely separate system.
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Yes. They did have ACARS data... Ok, I'm trying to recall. You're correct the pilot/pilots had shut things down and the plane wasn't sending everything though, but they had pings to the ACARS system. I don't know what and how much is sent back and forth regularly.
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https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/evidence-shows-jeju-air-pilots-shut-off-less-damaged-engine-before-crash-source-2025-07-21/
Rapier108
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GAC06 said:

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/evidence-shows-jeju-air-pilots-shut-off-less-damaged-engine-before-crash-source-2025-07-21/

Just like British Midland Airways Flight 092, although in that one, only one engine was failing. The other was fine.
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