Dan Scott said:

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Boeing stock opened down 5% in overnight trading.

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GAC06 said:

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Burnsey said:

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That didn't happen. No hydraulics looks the Souix City crash…if they're so amazingly skilled and lucky to even make it back to the airport.

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737 is small enough that there's a manual reversion even with both systems failed. It's harder, but it's not flying only with engine thrust hard.

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PA24 said:

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Burnsey said:

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PA24 said:

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Until we hear what was said in the black box, I am guessing the pilot purposely belly landed the plane. I think he was afraid of stalling or even flipping the plane if he changed the airspeed (on one engine) and came in hot. Even when he realized he was floating and landing long, thinking at worst the plane skids off the end of the runway, not realizing that the LOC antennas were on massive concrete blocks.

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We've not seen anything from the multiple videos so far to indicate any actual flight control problem that warranted no landing gear.

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But the drag of the dead engine and yawing caused by the movement of the centerline to the good engine, he had to be working that rudder, mind occupied with the concern of yaw and roll at such low altitude.

Speed had to maintain, higher than flap speeds and he knew he could not touch down until he bleed off some speed and that means a shorter runway.

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Burnsey said:

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GAC06 said:

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Burnsey said:

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That didn't happen. No hydraulics looks the Souix City crash…if they're so amazingly skilled and lucky to even make it back to the airport.

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737 is small enough that there's a manual reversion even with both systems failed. It's harder, but it's not flying only with engine thrust hard.

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Again, we've not seen anything to support the loss of hydraulics and resulting loss of flight control. If anything, much the opposite.

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JFABNRGR said:

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Romello said:

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JFABNRGR said:

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Romello said:

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Suspect a complete hydraulic failure explaining the lack of gear, flaps and ground spoilers deployed. Even still, doesn't explain why they didn't declare an emergency and manually extend the gear. Odd ordeal. We will know once the FDR info is released.

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Then how does he get back to the airport and land level on an actual runway with no control?

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These aircraft have redundant hydraulic systems that are complex with some flight controls backed up with mechanical actuation in case of hydraulic failure. That said, nothing about this ordeal makes any sense.

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Sorry but your two statements in bold are in conflict after you expand the quotes.

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BadMoonRisin said:

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The loss of hydraulics is not an excuse for having no landing gear down.



In case you missed it earlier. Gear can be dropped manually by gravity. They had flight controls, they likely just lost awareness.

If they had dropped the gear, this thread would likely not exist because the pilots performed nominally as if the gear was down.

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BadMoonRisin said:

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it all comes down to the cockpit voice recorder.

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BadMoonRisin said:

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NTSB is a federal agency of the United States, how do they have jurisdiction over a SK-operated airliner crashing in Muan?

Because it was a Boeing jet?

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BadMoonRisin said:

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NTSB is a federal agency of the United States, how do they have jurisdiction over a SK-operated airliner crashing in Muan?

Because it was a Boeing jet?

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Aggie95 said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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NTSB is a federal agency of the United States, how do they have jurisdiction over a SK-operated airliner crashing in Muan?

Because it was a Boeing jet?

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Could be wrong but they often get involved....and regardless of what we believe, they are the gold standard in aviation crash investigations.

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GAC06 said:

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There are procedures refined over 50+ years of 737's operating. Your "spitballing" is nonsense.

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BadMoonRisin said:

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NTSB is a federal agency of the United States, how do they have jurisdiction over a SK-operated airliner crashing in Muan?

Because it was a Boeing jet?

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Rapier108 said:

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Dan Scott said:

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Boeing stock opened down 5% in overnight trading.

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Because most people are stupid and somehow think it was either a 737 MAX, or even if not, it is still somehow Boeing's fault.

Hell, Fox News is doing everything it can to blame Boeing.

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My guess at least has aeronautic principles of thrust vs drags, you have nothing but condescending, sour notes.

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FobTies said:

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Boeing is a gov sweetheart company. For years they bought back their stock with extra cash, then when the pandemic hit, they held out their hat for taxpayer bailouts. That's why people hate on them. They should have gone thru ch11 like everyone else who gambles with their business.

We don't know if any landing gear issues are the fault of Boeing, but if in the meantime people don't want to hold that stock, they aren't "stupid".

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BadMoonRisin said:

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Fair, but, I mean -- using only 25% of the runway is also not a great idea.

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Brewskis said:

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GAC06 said:

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There are procedures refined over 50+ years of 737's operating. Your "spitballing" is nonsense.

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Yeah, can't take the opinions of some of the mainline airline pilots here. They're probably all young, minority and military trained. Those opinions can't be trusted.

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