South Korea Plane Crash - Boeing 737

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7:26p, 12/28/24
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Plane tried landing without the landing gear. Warning the video is a tough

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7:27p, 12/28/24
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wow.

It didnt seem to be throttling down at all...
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7:32p, 12/28/24
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Successfully land the plane under terrible circumstances, only to have it all go wrong at the end.
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7:33p, 12/28/24
Max?
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7:33p, 12/28/24
Dumb question perhaps... Why not reverse thrust?
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In reply to Logos Stick • 7:35p, 12/28/24
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Reverse thrust is a small part of stopping the plane. Also it looks like the reversers are gone, likely deployed and ripped off
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7:39p, 12/28/24
Just watched Die Hard (1988), it started with a jet landing and i was thinking how long the jet planes and this tech have been around...
seems like FOREVER, figured they would have better backup plans to avoid fatalities
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7:40p, 12/28/24
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Slats look like they're out. I don't see spoilers but the quality isn't good enough to say they aren't deployed
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In reply to Hondo. • 7:42p, 12/28/24
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Max?

Boeing 737-8AS
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7:42p, 12/28/24
Everyone hoping it was a 737-MAX will once again be disappointed.

It was a 737-800 so if the problem was with the landing gear, going to be a maintenance issue, unless there was some really freak external event that ripped off the gear like a bird strike or massive turbulence.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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7:44p, 12/28/24
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Aircraft was a Boeing 737-8AS
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In reply to Logos Stick • 7:44p, 12/28/24
Logos Stick said:
Dumb question perhaps... Why not reverse thrust?
The right thrust reverser looks to be deployed. Obviously we can't see the other one.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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7:45p, 12/28/24
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SK Media reporting 23 casualties among 181 souls aboard.

Im hoping that number stays as low as possible, but I have no clue how it could.
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7:47p, 12/28/24
No way it is only 23 dead.

Another news report said 28 dead, 2 survivors, and the rest are unaccounted for.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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In reply to Rapier108 • 7:47p, 12/28/24
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Rapier108 said:
Everyone hoping it was a 737-MAX will once again be disappointed.

It was a 737-800 so if the problem was with the landing gear, going to be a maintenance issue.


Way too early to say it's a maintenance issue. They should be able to put the gear down by other means. If the backup fails, why did they not find a longer runway to land on?

Lots to unpack
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7:47p, 12/28/24
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The incident is suspected to have been caused by a landing gear malfunction following a bird strike, according to the local fire department.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/plane-175-passengers-crashes-south-korea-airport-least-23-dead
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7:49p, 12/28/24
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I figure they would have burned off/dumped all excess fuel before attempting this. The sudden explosion surprised me a bit.

edit - The whole plane seems to stop moving too. Did it reach the end of the runway and hit something on the ground?
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7:49p, 12/28/24
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This is strange. You can manually lower the gear in the 737. I trained on the military version, the T-43. We had to practice it once a month.
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In reply to Rapier108 • 7:49p, 12/28/24
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Rapier108 said:
No way it is only 23 dead.

Another news report said 28 dead, 2 survivors, and the rest are unaccounted for.
The ball of fire is likelythe fuel in the wings, not the center where everyone sits.
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In reply to Rapier108 • 7:50p, 12/28/24
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removed for speculating.
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In reply to GAC06 • 7:50p, 12/28/24
GAC06 said:
Rapier108 said:
Everyone hoping it was a 737-MAX will once again be disappointed.

It was a 737-800 so if the problem was with the landing gear, going to be a maintenance issue.


Way too early to say it's a maintenance issue. They should be able to put the gear down by other means. If the backup fails, why did they not find a longer runway to land on?

Lots to unpack
True, it won't be a single thing. Accidents never have a single cause.

And I was thinking the same thing about the runway. Either it was very short, or they landed way, way long.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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In reply to agracer • 7:52p, 12/28/24
agracer said:
Rapier108 said:
No way it is only 23 dead.

Another news report said 28 dead, 2 survivors, and the rest are unaccounted for.
The ball of fire is likelythe fuel in the wings, not the center where everyone sits.
The fuselage likely turned into a compacted soda can, or a million pieces.

If anyone did survive (early news reports are usually wrong), they had to be sitting in the very back.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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In reply to torrid • 7:55p, 12/28/24
torrid said:
I figure they would have burned off/dumped all excess fuel before attempting this. The sudden explosion surprised me a bit.

edit - The whole plane seems to stop moving too. Did it reach the end of the runway and hit something on the ground?
Had the exact same two thoughts.
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In reply to [removed post] • 7:55p, 12/28/24
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PA24 said:
No landing gear, no roll out hence shorter runway needed.
Pilot came in too fast, IMHO
Runway looks like only 5K feet.
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In reply to torrid • 7:56p, 12/28/24
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torrid said:
I figure they would have burned off/dumped all excess fuel before attempting this. The sudden explosion surprised me a bit.

edit - The whole plane seems to stop moving too. Did it reach the end of the runway and hit something on the ground?
Some reports say it hit a "fence" but it looks like a solid, reinforced concrete wall.

It would cut through a "fence" like a knife through butter.
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In reply to torrid • 7:56p, 12/28/24
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torrid said:
I figure they would have burned off/dumped all excess fuel before attempting this. The sudden explosion surprised me a bit.

edit - The whole plane seems to stop moving too. Did it reach the end of the runway and hit something on the ground?


737's can't dump fuel. Should be pretty easy to determine if they tried to burn down, but that fireball isn't huge, maybe they did
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7:58p, 12/28/24
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Reports that 1 crew member and 1 passenger rescued so far per local news

WOW
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In reply to one safe place • 7:59p, 12/28/24
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one safe place said:
torrid said:
I figure they would have burned off/dumped all excess fuel before attempting this. The sudden explosion surprised me a bit.

edit - The whole plane seems to stop moving too. Did it reach the end of the runway and hit something on the ground?
Had the exact same two thoughts.
With proper time to set everything up, landing without landing gear would seem a scary but controllable situation. I'm guessing what ever went wrong here, they didn't have time to do anything.
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7:59p, 12/28/24
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This will be the thread to follow:

https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1498583
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8:03p, 12/28/24
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In reply to GAC06 • 8:04p, 12/28/24
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GAC06 said:
Rapier108 said:
Everyone hoping it was a 737-MAX will once again be disappointed.

It was a 737-800 so if the problem was with the landing gear, going to be a maintenance issue.


Way too early to say it's a maintenance issue. They should be able to put the gear down by other means. If the backup fails, why did they not find a longer runway to land on?

Lots to unpack
Gwangju Airport is close to Muan, but runway looks to be same length only 5K feet.




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8:04p, 12/28/24
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This is what the aircraft hit

Kind of a fence, I suppose.
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In reply to BadMoonRisin • 8:06p, 12/28/24
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ILS antennas on top of a berm.
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In reply to Hogties • 8:07p, 12/28/24
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i would have thought gear would have already been deployed at that point. they dont look more than 1500 feet in the air
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