annie88 said:They've been in prison for four years. How much longer do you want them to serve?HTownAg98 said:
What about the ones that either destroyed property or assaulted police officers?
Rapists and murderers sometimes serve less time. And he was right. Hardly anyone served any time for the 27 people murdered and over 700 policeman injured or attacked during the 2020 riots.
Most of the J6 people were denied due process.
HTownAg98 said:aginlakeway said:HTownAg98 said:
Then they get time served. I'm just glad that you're now concerned about pre-trial incarceration.
Why were they denied bail?
I don't know. There are factors, flight risk is one of them. But you'd have to look at each individual case to find out why. And I'm not doing that for you.
HTownAg98 said:aginlakeway said:HTownAg98 said:
Then they get time served. I'm just glad that you're now concerned about pre-trial incarceration.
Why were they denied bail?
I don't know. There are factors, flight risk is one of them. But you'd have to look at each individual case to find out why. And I'm not doing that for you.
HTownAg98 said:
Asked and answered.
HTownAg98 said:
Asked and answered.
Tramp96 said:HTownAg98 said:aginlakeway said:HTownAg98 said:
Then they get time served. I'm just glad that you're now concerned about pre-trial incarceration.
Why were they denied bail?
I don't know. There are factors, flight risk is one of them. But you'd have to look at each individual case to find out why. And I'm not doing that for you.
But you have to because you contend they were afforded due process.
You don't sit in jail for four years for trespassing with no trial if you were afforded due process.
Nope.HTownAg98 said:annie88 said:That's bull***** They were all not afforded the opportunity for bail. How much longer do they have to serve for you to be OK with it?HTownAg98 said:Tramp96 said:HTownAg98 said:
What about the ones that either destroyed property or assaulted police officers?
Who assaulted a police officer? I thought the officers opened the door to them? Then you're sadly mistaken, as there are several that were charged with assaulting capital police officers.
Even an "assault" of an officer or destruction of property should be afforded an opportunity for bail. Contrary to the narrative of the left and the MSM, this was not on the same level of 9/11 or Pearl Harbor. they all were afforded that opportunity. Some were given bail, and some were not.
90% of those incarcerated are guilty of nothing more than trespassing. Four years of incarceration, many without a trial, for trespassing.
What about those who have been arrested who never entered the capitol??? They were just there watching and have since been arrested. no problem with those being pardoned.
That's a Stalinist treatment of our citizenry.
You're full of ***** Every one of them was afforded a bail hearing. It's one of the very first things that's done in a case. No one sitting in jail for four years hasn't had a bail hearing. Whether they were properly denied bail is another issue.
HTownAg98 said:Tramp96 said:HTownAg98 said:aginlakeway said:HTownAg98 said:
Then they get time served. I'm just glad that you're now concerned about pre-trial incarceration.
Why were they denied bail?
I don't know. There are factors, flight risk is one of them. But you'd have to look at each individual case to find out why. And I'm not doing that for you.
But you have to because you contend they were afforded due process.
You don't sit in jail for four years for trespassing with no trial if you were afforded due process.
You're not sitting in jail for four years because of trespassing. That's ridiculous. There has to be some other violent act to go with it, or some other factor to deny bail.
annie88 said:Nope.HTownAg98 said:annie88 said:That's bull***** They were all not afforded the opportunity for bail. How much longer do they have to serve for you to be OK with it?HTownAg98 said:Tramp96 said:HTownAg98 said:
What about the ones that either destroyed property or assaulted police officers?
Who assaulted a police officer? I thought the officers opened the door to them? Then you're sadly mistaken, as there are several that were charged with assaulting capital police officers.
Even an "assault" of an officer or destruction of property should be afforded an opportunity for bail. Contrary to the narrative of the left and the MSM, this was not on the same level of 9/11 or Pearl Harbor. they all were afforded that opportunity. Some were given bail, and some were not.
90% of those incarcerated are guilty of nothing more than trespassing. Four years of incarceration, many without a trial, for trespassing.
What about those who have been arrested who never entered the capitol??? They were just there watching and have since been arrested. no problem with those being pardoned.
That's a Stalinist treatment of our citizenry.
You're full of ***** Every one of them was afforded a bail hearing. It's one of the very first things that's done in a case. No one sitting in jail for four years hasn't had a bail hearing. Whether they were properly denied bail is another issue.
TheCurl84 said:HTownAg98 said:
Asked and answered.
I don't think so pal. You need to wave the white flag and head to bed.
aginlakeway said:HTownAg98 said:aginlakeway said:HTownAg98 said:
Then they get time served. I'm just glad that you're now concerned about pre-trial incarceration.
Why were they denied bail?
I don't know. There are factors, flight risk is one of them. But you'd have to look at each individual case to find out why. And I'm not doing that for you.
I didn't ask you to do anything. I was just asking you a simple question. You seem very well informed on this topic.
So it sounds like you're against Trump's pardon. Do you agree with most of his other executive orders?
Claude! said:Prosecutorial immunity from civil suits is a thing recognized by the Supreme Court in Imbler v. Pachtman (1976). It is possible that there could be conduct so egregious as to defeat that immunity, but it'd have to be on the order of the prosecutor personally murdering a defense witness (that may be slight hyperbole, but only slight).aggiehawg said:The DC prosecutors were pardoned? And the federal district court judges? (Judges have an immunity argument but prosecutors don't.)Quote:
Cant, they were issued pardons
Tramp96 said:HTownAg98 said:Tramp96 said:HTownAg98 said:aginlakeway said:HTownAg98 said:
Then they get time served. I'm just glad that you're now concerned about pre-trial incarceration.
Why were they denied bail?
I don't know. There are factors, flight risk is one of them. But you'd have to look at each individual case to find out why. And I'm not doing that for you.
But you have to because you contend they were afforded due process.
You don't sit in jail for four years for trespassing with no trial if you were afforded due process.
You're not sitting in jail for four years because of trespassing. That's ridiculous. There has to be some other violent act to go with it, or some other factor to deny bail.
You haven't been paying attention.
They are. And yes it is ridiculous. THATS THE ****ING POINT.
HTownAg98 said:annie88 said:Nope.HTownAg98 said:annie88 said:That's bull***** They were all not afforded the opportunity for bail. How much longer do they have to serve for you to be OK with it?HTownAg98 said:Tramp96 said:HTownAg98 said:
What about the ones that either destroyed property or assaulted police officers?
Who assaulted a police officer? I thought the officers opened the door to them? Then you're sadly mistaken, as there are several that were charged with assaulting capital police officers.
Even an "assault" of an officer or destruction of property should be afforded an opportunity for bail. Contrary to the narrative of the left and the MSM, this was not on the same level of 9/11 or Pearl Harbor. they all were afforded that opportunity. Some were given bail, and some were not.
90% of those incarcerated are guilty of nothing more than trespassing. Four years of incarceration, many without a trial, for trespassing.
What about those who have been arrested who never entered the capitol??? They were just there watching and have since been arrested. no problem with those being pardoned.
That's a Stalinist treatment of our citizenry.
You're full of ***** Every one of them was afforded a bail hearing. It's one of the very first things that's done in a case. No one sitting in jail for four years hasn't had a bail hearing. Whether they were properly denied bail is another issue.
Then show me which one haven't been afforded a bail hearing.
Tramp96 said:HTownAg98 said:aginlakeway said:HTownAg98 said:
Then they get time served. I'm just glad that you're now concerned about pre-trial incarceration.
Why were they denied bail?
I don't know. There are factors, flight risk is one of them. But you'd have to look at each individual case to find out why. And I'm not doing that for you.
But you have to because you contend they were afforded due process.
You don't sit in jail for four years for trespassing with no trial if you were afforded due process.
annie88 said:HTownAg98 said:annie88 said:Nope.HTownAg98 said:annie88 said:That's bull***** They were all not afforded the opportunity for bail. How much longer do they have to serve for you to be OK with it?HTownAg98 said:Tramp96 said:HTownAg98 said:
What about the ones that either destroyed property or assaulted police officers?
Who assaulted a police officer? I thought the officers opened the door to them? Then you're sadly mistaken, as there are several that were charged with assaulting capital police officers.
Even an "assault" of an officer or destruction of property should be afforded an opportunity for bail. Contrary to the narrative of the left and the MSM, this was not on the same level of 9/11 or Pearl Harbor. they all were afforded that opportunity. Some were given bail, and some were not.
90% of those incarcerated are guilty of nothing more than trespassing. Four years of incarceration, many without a trial, for trespassing.
What about those who have been arrested who never entered the capitol??? They were just there watching and have since been arrested. no problem with those being pardoned.
That's a Stalinist treatment of our citizenry.
You're full of ***** Every one of them was afforded a bail hearing. It's one of the very first things that's done in a case. No one sitting in jail for four years hasn't had a bail hearing. Whether they were properly denied bail is another issue.
Then show me which one haven't been afforded a bail hearing.
Quit defending this bull*****
Some of this has been resolved because many of them played guilty, but there were several initially that were denied bail. Here you go.
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/why-capitol-riot-defendants-being-held-without-bond-before-trial-january-6-congress/65-1e4d4dd6-eded-4187-85f1-d4dfcc3a9519
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/why-capitol-riot-defendants-being-held-without-bond-before-trial-january-6-congress/65-1e4d4dd6-eded-4187-85f1-d4dfcc3a9519
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-judge-says-dc-jail-violated-civil-rights-jan-6-defendant-2021-10-13/
Many of them also denied basic rights. No due process.
"It is egregious the way these people have been treated, for as much as two years pretrial, before any finding of fact. When people find out what has been going on in the DC gulag, it is going to shock the American conscience forever," the lawyer said.
A new book about the J6 prisoners, "Due Process Denied," tells a tale of hell in the Washington, DC, "gulag," the Central Detention Facility in southeast Washington where most have been housed.
Cynthia Hughes writes poignantly of one defendant who committed suicide rather than go back to jail.
The defendants have been kept in a separate unit with mold on the walls, brown water and generally unsanitary conditions, are subjected to 23 hours a day of solitary confinement, denied adequate food, medical treatment and religious services.
Their only solace is that every night at 9 p.m., they gather to sing the national anthem.
There was a dispute over a mask between a female guard and a Jan. 6 detainee. This female guard became so enraged with the detainee because he wouldn't wear a mask that she unloaded several cans of Mace . . . and filled the entire pod with fumes. She had a gas mask on, but the men were dropping to their knees and several of them were taken out on stretchers."
Lies, lies lies
They are all guilty until proven innocent, even if they did not enter the Capitol that day.
Nancy Pelosi lied that Trump supporters had defecated all over the House floor.
There is no evidence that any such thing happened.
"There's defecation and all that kind of thing . . . It could take time to clean up the poo-poo that they're making all over," Pelosi said gleefully in a video from the day released by the J6 committee. Just another casual defamation.
Pelosi engineered the J6 committee to her political advantage.
It had access to the surveillance footage and deliberately withheld the truth from the American people about what happened inside the Capitol that day.
Democrats cherry-picked footage and tailored the evidence to support their political witch hunt.
annie88 said:
https://nypost.com/2023/03/08/an-egregious-denial-of-due-process-for-jan-6-protesters/
It's really disgusting that you're defending this bull***** I hope to God nothing like this ever happens to you.
Trump was right when he called them hostages that's exactly what they have been.
Every single one of them should be released. Period.
I'm embarrassed for you.
na na na na na na LOSER!HTownAg98 said:annie88 said:
https://nypost.com/2023/03/08/an-egregious-denial-of-due-process-for-jan-6-protesters/
It's really disgusting that you're defending this bull***** I hope to God nothing like this ever happens to you.
Trump was right when he called them hostages that's exactly what they have been.
Every single one of them should be released. Period.
I'm embarrassed for you.
I'm embarrassed for you that you think people that assaulted law enforcement officers should be released carte blanche.
Yes, yes we know.Gordo14 said:
Im confused.
True. You do it because your captors are fascists trying to scare any opposition into silence.HTownAg98 said:
You're not sitting in jail for four years because of trespassing. That's ridiculous. There has to be some other violent act to go with it, or some other factor to deny bail.
HTownAg98 said:
So you're ok with people assaulting cops. Good to know.
ThunderCougarFalconBird said:
And yes, I think they should all be 100% pardoned and released.
Joe pardoned his mafia family, his crackhead son, and commuted sentences for people that raped children.
If you think that people who were invited into the Capitol who walked around for a few minutes deserve more in the gulag, you're a piece of *****
HTownAg98 said:
So you're ok with people assaulting cops. Good to know.
HTownAg98 said:ThunderCougarFalconBird said:
And yes, I think they should all be 100% pardoned and released.
Joe pardoned his mafia family, his crackhead son, and commuted sentences for people that raped children.
If you think that people who were invited into the Capitol who walked around for a few minutes deserve more in the gulag, you're a piece of *****
Good to know that you think people that assaulted law enforcement should get to go free with no repercussions.
I've already made my opinion on those that walked around for a few minutes known.
Motions to dismiss pending J6 cases are starting to appear in my inbox. pic.twitter.com/3P1Ked4ExE
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