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I was against the violent offenders getting a pardon, but this is a very astute observation:

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But giving pardons to the J6 committee essentially tainted the prosecutions of everyone charged for the events on J6 and due to that they are owed a blanket pardon. This all needs to end...now.

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Add to it that the committee (not a traditional congressional committee, as the republicans were prevented from selecting members) crafted a media narrative and used Hollywood execs to do so, then they withheld and ultimately destroyed evidence.

There was nothing ethical or American about that stalinist committee. It did not exist to mete out justice. It existed to silence political opposition.

As long as the BLM rioters get to walk free, the J6ers should also be able to walk free. The people enraged by this just hate white people.

The lib white guilt outrage on my news feeds is glorious.

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As long as the BLM rioters get to walk free, the J6ers should also be able to walk free. The people enraged by this just hate white people.

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Quite the inflammatory post. Unnecessarily so.

We should seek equal protection under the law, not political prosecutions. The difference between the treatment of the Antifa/BLM choads and the J6 protestors is not remotely equal protection. J6 should result in the disbarment of quite a few involved in the prosecutions. It won't, but it should.

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The actions of the Biden administration in going after these people were egregious enough. But giving pardons to the J6 committee essentially tainted the prosecutions of everyone charged for the events on J6 and due to that they are owed a blanket pardon. This all needs to end...now.

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This can't be starred enough or quoted enough. Perfect summation.

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Disparate treatment under the law is a problem.

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Yep and grounds alone to warrant full release with compensation. Thats just 1 problem of many as to how the Biden Admin handled this.

So many legal technicalities in all this. There are many times I wish I had even a tenth of BMX's and Hawgs legal expertise.

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As long as the BLM rioters get to walk free, the J6ers should also be able to walk free. The people enraged by this just hate white people.

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Quite the inflammatory post. Unnecessarily so.

We should seek equal protection under the law, not political prosecutions. The difference between the treatment of the Antifa/BLM choads and the J6 protestors is not remotely equal protection. J6 should result in the disbarment of quite a few involved in the prosecutions. It won't, but it should.

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J6 looked like a Senior prank compared to the BLM riots.

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What? You weren't terrified by a couple hundred unarmed, middle age, flag wavers, being escorted by heavily armed police through the capital building? FFS one of them had a bison hat on.

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zb008 said:

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As long as the BLM rioters get to walk free, the J6ers should also be able to walk free. The people enraged by this just hate white people.

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Quite the inflammatory post. Unnecessarily so.

We should seek equal protection under the law, not political prosecutions. The difference between the treatment of the Antifa/BLM choads and the J6 protestors is not remotely equal protection. J6 should result in the disbarment of quite a few involved in the prosecutions. It won't, but it should.

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J6 looked like a Senior prank compared to the BLM riots.

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What? You weren't terrified by a couple hundred unarmed, middle age, flag wavers, being escorted by heavily armed police through the capital building? FFS one of them had a bison hat on.

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CNN said that it was worse than 9/11 at the time it happened. I couldn't help but laugh at how ridiculous of a comparison that was.

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zb008 said:

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As long as the BLM rioters get to walk free, the J6ers should also be able to walk free. The people enraged by this just hate white people.

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Quite the inflammatory post. Unnecessarily so.

We should seek equal protection under the law, not political prosecutions. The difference between the treatment of the Antifa/BLM choads and the J6 protestors is not remotely equal protection. J6 should result in the disbarment of quite a few involved in the prosecutions. It won't, but it should.

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J6 looked like a Senior prank compared to the BLM riots.

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What? You weren't terrified by a couple hundred unarmed, middle age, flag wavers, being escorted by heavily armed police through the capital building? FFS one of them had a bison hat on.

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CNN said that it was worse than 9/11 at the time it happened. I couldn't help but laugh at how ridiculous of a comparison that was.

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I mean, it was so bad that AOC feared for her life two buildings away.

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As long as the BLM rioters get to walk free, the J6ers should also be able to walk free. The people enraged by this just hate white people.

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Quite the inflammatory post. Unnecessarily so.

We should seek equal protection under the law, not political prosecutions. The difference between the treatment of the Antifa/BLM choads and the J6 protestors is not remotely equal protection. J6 should result in the disbarment of quite a few involved in the prosecutions. It won't, but it should.

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J6 looked like a Senior prank compared to the BLM riots.

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What? You weren't terrified by a couple hundred unarmed, middle age, flag wavers, being escorted by heavily armed police through the capital building? FFS one of them had a bison hat on.

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CNN said that it was worse than 9/11 at the time it happened. I couldn't help but laugh at how ridiculous of a comparison that was.

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Kamala said it was worse than Pearl Harbor.

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As long as the BLM rioters get to walk free, the J6ers should also be able to walk free. The people enraged by this just hate white people.

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Quite the inflammatory post. Unnecessarily so.

We should seek equal protection under the law, not political prosecutions. The difference between the treatment of the Antifa/BLM choads and the J6 protestors is not remotely equal protection. J6 should result in the disbarment of quite a few involved in the prosecutions. It won't, but it should.

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J6 looked like a Senior prank compared to the BLM riots.

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What? You weren't terrified by a couple hundred unarmed, middle age, flag wavers, being escorted by heavily armed police through the capital building? FFS one of them had a bison hat on.

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CNN said that it was worse than 9/11 at the time it happened. I couldn't help but laugh at how ridiculous of a comparison that was.

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I mean, it was so bad that AOC feared for her life two buildings away.

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She explained how she knew she'd be raped before murdered. How people take them serious is amazing to me.

dont forget Pelosi coudl have had NG units there but she said no, all manufactured bs

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dont forget Pelosi coudl have had NG units there but she said no, all manufactured bs

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Excuse me, but the proof of that has been destroyed by the J6 committee.

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dont forget Pelosi coudl have had NG units there but she said no, all manufactured bs

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Excuse me, but the proof of that has been destroyed by the J6 committee.

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The "corrupt " J6 committee?

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dont forget Pelosi coudl have had NG units there but she said no, all manufactured bs

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Excuse me, but the proof of that has been destroyed by the J6 committee.

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Thankfully, her smug conceited dip**** daughter made a documentary about it that has been released in the public domain.

So we got proof to lock dear ol' mom up.

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dont forget Pelosi coudl have had NG units there but she said no, all manufactured bs

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Excuse me, but the proof of that has been destroyed by the J6 committee.

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The "corrupt " J6 committee?

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People that assaulted cops and vandalized the Capital need to stay in jail. The rest have paid their price.

And yes, the people that assaulted cops and vandalized buildings during the Floyd riots need to be in jail, too. Most of that was state crime, so good luck. Federal crimes should all be treated the same (like the federal courthouse that was vandalized)..

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For how long? And without bail?

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I agree our legal system is currently broken. Our right to a "speedy trial" of our peers appears to be gone. We desperately need legal reform. Should everyone have been granted bail? I don't know. Isn't it up to the judge to determine if bail is granted or not? Was the decision to not grant bail justified? I don't think so, but I'm not a judge.

Regardless, the fact that here we are 4 years later and trials have not commenced is complete bull****, That is unacceptable. This whole thing should have been resolved a long time ago.

I'm game for considering time served as a part of determining who should and should not be released.

But I'm just not for a blanket release. Interrupting the business of the US government, which was clearly the intent, is serious business. Those standards should be applied consistently. Unfortunately they are not.

Prosecutors and judges need to held accountable as well. Will be interesting to see if that happens.

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Regardless, the fact that here we are 4 years later and trials have not commenced is complete bull****, That is unacceptable.

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Completely agree in a general sense, but what about when the Defendant is the one asking to delay the trial?

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People that assaulted cops and vandalized the Capital need to stay in jail. The rest have paid their price.

And yes, the people that assaulted cops and vandalized buildings during the Floyd riots need to be in jail, too. Most of that was state crime, so good luck. Federal crimes should all be treated the same (like the federal courthouse that was vandalized)..

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For how long? And without bail?

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I agree our legal system is currently broken. Our right to a "speedy trial" of our peers appears to be gone. We desperately need legal reform. Should everyone have been granted bail? I don't know. Isn't it up to the judge to determine if bail is granted or not? Was the decision to not grant bail justified? I don't think so, but I'm not a judge.

Regardless, the fact that here we are 4 years later and trials have not commenced is complete bull****, That is unacceptable. This whole thing should have been resolved a long time ago.

I'm game for considering time served as a part of determining who should and should not be released.

But I'm just not for a blanket release. Interrupting the business of the US government, which was clearly the intent, is serious business. Those standards should be applied consistently. Unfortunately they are not.

Prosecutors and judges need to held accountable as well. Will be interesting to see if that happens.

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I agree. That's why the Capitol Police opened the doors and ushered people in. It's why Ray Epps and others were fomenting trouble. It's also why Nancy Pelosi denied more police and national guard AND why her daughter was there filming everything.

It just wasn't the protestors who intended the disruption. The whole thing was a made-for-TV setup. Some of you fell for it.

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Regardless, the fact that here we are 4 years later and trials have not commenced is complete bull****, That is unacceptable.

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Completely agree in a general sense, but what about when the Defendant is the one asking to delay the trial?

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Can I ask a dumb question?

Why would a defendant willingly delay their trial this long? On the sole hope that a republican wins the presidency and pardons them?

At least one defendant delayed for that exact reason. Now he has no conviction.

But they could also have delayed earlier because they just were not ready for trial.

BTW: not a dumb question at all!

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At least one defendant delayed for that exact reason. Now he has no conviction.

But they could also have delayed earlier because they just were not ready for trial.

BTW: not a dumb question at all!

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Did the defendant sit in jail for 4 years waiting for a pardon.

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Did the defendant sit in jail for 4 years waiting for a pardon.

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Like sit around and nothing.? No. Motions were filed, typical case stuff. I believe he switched attorneys at one point.

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Did the defendant sit in jail for 4 years waiting for a pardon.

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Like sit around and nothing.? No. Motions were filed, typical case stuff. I believe he switched attorneys at one point.

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Who was it?

I smell poon in this thread.

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People that assaulted cops and vandalized the Capital need to stay in jail. The rest have paid their price.

And yes, the people that assaulted cops and vandalized buildings during the Floyd riots need to be in jail, too. Most of that was state crime, so good luck. Federal crimes should all be treated the same (like the federal courthouse that was vandalized)..

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Depends on each individual case. A person with violent priors and a flight risk will be viewed differently than someone with no priors and a willingness to comply with bail conditions.

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Explain what happened to Chris Kuehne. And be honorable and quit defending the indefensible.

https://medvinlaw.com/christopher-kuehne-january-6-case-explained/

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I read that, and then read the facts he pleaded guilty to. You can read that here if you like. It's just slightly different. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.228126/gov.uscourts.dcd.228126.198.0.pdf
So he ended up with a sentence of 75 days and two years supervised release by a Trump-appointed judge.

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What about the ones that either destroyed property or assaulted police officers?

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Who assaulted a police officer? I thought the officers opened the door to them? Then you're sadly mistaken, as there are several that were charged with assaulting capital police officers.

Even an "assault" of an officer or destruction of property should be afforded an opportunity for bail. Contrary to the narrative of the left and the MSM, this was not on the same level of 9/11 or Pearl Harbor. they all were afforded that opportunity. Some were given bail, and some were not.

90% of those incarcerated are guilty of nothing more than trespassing. Four years of incarceration, many without a trial, for trespassing.

What about those who have been arrested who never entered the capitol??? They were just there watching and have since been arrested. no problem with those being pardoned.

That's a Stalinist treatment of our citizenry.

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That's bull***** They were all not afforded the opportunity for bail. How much longer do they have to serve for you to be OK with it?

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You're full of ***** Every one of them was afforded a bail hearing. It's one of the very first things that's done in a case. No one sitting in jail for four years hasn't had a bail hearing. Whether they were properly denied bail is another issue.

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You are full of it, delusional and a major part of the problem. Denial of bail is not an opportunity especially when the marxists control the DC courts and are actively trying to destroy America.

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The vast majority of them were released on bail, because bail is presumed in federal court. Relatively few were held without bail.

I voted for Trump and I'm glad he's in office. I do have a question about the Jan 6 attack. Officer Brian D, Sicknick of the Capitol Police was attacked by the mob and died on Jan 7th. (according to the NYTimes). Is his death going to go unprosecuted now? (Sorry if this has been addressed in the previous 7 pages of this post.)

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If I recall correctly, he died of a heart attack(or some other health event) unrelated to J6.

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Thanks for the polite response.