bangobango said:

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Decay said:

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bangobango said:

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fc2112 said:

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I wonder if the USCCB realizes the vast majority of us out in the pews are not behind them on this.

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Saddens me to think that most bishops don't care.

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Because a Bishop should be guided by man and not the Lord?

Some of you have really lost the plot.

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Enabling drug running and child sex trafficking isn't following the Lord's instructions either.

The bishops have too many socialists in their ranks, in the US and in Rome. Texas Catholics especially have seen firsthand the consequences of these policies. This isn't about providing sanctuary to displaced people, it's about enabling criminals worldwide to operate with legal and financial backing from these corrupt practices.

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The vast majority of illegal immigrants in this country are not running drugs or sex trafficking. I'm not sure what your socialist comments have to do with anything, but pretty sure Jesus doesn't speak on socialism vs capitalism but maybe I should re-read the Gospels.

And please explain how the Catholic Church is enabling criminals to operate with legal and financial backing.

They just don't want federal agents barging in and dragging people put of church. I dont understand how any Christian could be against that.

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Socialism is the antithesis of Christianity so maybe start there. The Catholic Church has an official stance that says likewise, see the previously mentioned doctrines.

And drugs, sex crimes, etc are huge parts of the problem with unvetted transit on the border. Pretending illegals don't contribute to that is madness. Nobody said most of them participate but that isn't the point. Too many do and crime will go down when we send them back.

The Catholic Church is enabling all of this by doing exactly what we've been talking about about. Advising people how to abuse the system, avoid being caught, and giving them money and housing. My tax dollars and my tithes are both being used for it so I guess I have twice as much to be pissed about.

Federal agents were allowed to shut down churches for the flu and I didn't hear the USCCB complaining then. Oh and also the federal government is straight up giving them tax money. So we can return the favor and let illegals go home.

Killer_21 said:

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The "Christians" on this board must really hate Leviticus 19:34.

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Hopefully Christians prefer to not take a singular verse out of context to support a preconceived opinion.

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Bob Lee said:

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Bob Lee said:

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Trigon Jin said:

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I like catholicism, despite attending a non denominational church.

I just don't get their politics sometimes, but the rest of it I have allot of respect for.

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Catholic doctrine itself is probably the most conservative of any Christian denomination. Unfortunately it has been infiltrated by a whole lot of leftists.

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By stats alone in the US, this is demonstrably not true at all. Evangelicals are by far the most political conservative group here, it's not close.

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He said Catholic doctrine. Most Protestants have embraced things like IVF, use of artificial contraceptives, and liberal conceptions of bodily autonomy and human sexuality. Those are incompatible with magisterial teaching and conservatism.

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The stats do not show this at all. Catholics are more liberal across the board in all surveys.

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"Catholic" as an identity is stickier than protestant or evangelical Christian. Faithful Catholics follow the deposit of faith, which is incompatible with liberalism. But a lot of liberals self identify as Catholic even despite the conflict. Protestantism lends itself to liberalism in a way that Catholicism does not. Because protestants by and large have soured on tradition, which is what conservatives want to conserve.

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By all statistics, white evangelicals are the lone bulwark against leftism in the US. You can cope and seethe about it all you want but the stats disagree with you immensely.

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The irony is that protestantism is what promulgates leftism in the US. Protestantism and liberalism are both a rejection of authority. You're crediting a movement that begets schism with the conservation of tradition, and citing to surveys. So dumb.

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Quite a stereotype. Plenty of traditions the Catholic Church has largely abandoned that has contributed to the acceptance of progressive ideas. One being the role of women and their primary vocation moving away from that of home-maker and wife. I perhaps cannot think of a more radical shift with such impactful ramifications. This is obviously not to single out Catholics since it is widely pervasive in our culture, but it is something that has not been valued or protected really by many religious groups anymore.

I'm loving Vance more and more. Perfect dude to carry on MAGA when Trump's term is over.

Bob Lee said:

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Bob Lee said:

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Bob Lee said:

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I like catholicism, despite attending a non denominational church.

I just don't get their politics sometimes, but the rest of it I have allot of respect for.

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Catholic doctrine itself is probably the most conservative of any Christian denomination. Unfortunately it has been infiltrated by a whole lot of leftists.

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By stats alone in the US, this is demonstrably not true at all. Evangelicals are by far the most political conservative group here, it's not close.

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He said Catholic doctrine. Most Protestants have embraced things like IVF, use of artificial contraceptives, and liberal conceptions of bodily autonomy and human sexuality. Those are incompatible with magisterial teaching and conservatism.

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The stats do not show this at all. Catholics are more liberal across the board in all surveys.

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"Catholic" as an identity is stickier than protestant or evangelical Christian. Faithful Catholics follow the deposit of faith, which is incompatible with liberalism. But a lot of liberals self identify as Catholic even despite the conflict. Protestantism lends itself to liberalism in a way that Catholicism does not. Because protestants by and large have soured on tradition, which is what conservatives want to conserve.

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By all statistics, white evangelicals are the lone bulwark against leftism in the US. You can cope and seethe about it all you want but the stats disagree with you immensely.

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The irony is that protestantism is what promulgates leftism in the US. Protestantism and liberalism are both a rejection of authority. You're crediting a movement that begets schism with the conservation of tradition, and citing to surveys. So dumb.

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And you are still way wrong about how Evangelical Protestants behave. Across the board they are more conservative on every single issue, literally 100% of every issue that is considered conservative. So clearly despite your clearly dubious claims the Catholic Church does an immensely poorer job teaching the Biblically correct beliefs.

So, the Catholic Church promotes mass immigration?

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So, the Catholic Church promotes mass immigration?

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Yes. This is basically what Catholic Integration is about. It's one of the reasons the Founding Fathers did not particularly care about Catholicism.

Unfortunately, the other denominations are not any better nowadays and have their own corrupt huge charities that do the same thing.

All of them have corrupted the word of God and have forgotten about the left hand of God and have chosen entirely to focus on the right hand. The left is where God shows his support for nations and people aka "do unto Caesar…" It is biblically correct to support your nation and your people (people of your own blood) over those who are foreigners. Anyone who says you must import the world because Jesus was compassionate is an abject liar and purposely misconstruing the Bible to further their own political goals. Open borders is actually the anti-Christian worldview.

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So, the Catholic Church promotes mass immigration?

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The bishops literally decried the border wall.

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So, the Catholic Church promotes mass immigration?

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Based on the two replies that followed, this one went over everyone's head higher than the Pope's hat.

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Vance is clearly the future. He's a more charismatic Desantis.

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I am happy to see him being visible and publicly engaged. Unlike some VPs that seem to disappear once they take the job.

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I think it's by design. Trump doesn't want the MAGA "movement" to die. We all saw what happened to the Tea Party with no leader.

I thought DeSantis could be that guy before he ran his campaign. Him running from the MSM to get his message out was a huge disappointment. He failed to get his message out.

Vance is the opposite. He regularly faces the hostile media and doesn't back down. Not only does his message get out to the world, he shows he's willing to fight, won't cower to them, and that he's smart enough to hold his own.

Killer_21 said:

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The "Christians" on this board must really hate Leviticus 19:34.

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Also, nm.

10andBOUNCE said:

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Killer_21 said:

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The "Christians" on this board must really hate Leviticus 19:34.

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Hopefully Christians prefer to not take a singular verse out of context to support a preconceived opinion.

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Would you prefer Matthew 25:41-45, or if that doesn't work for you maybe Deuteronomy 10:18-19? The entirety of this board could certainly use a brush up on James 21.

Karoline Leavitt just stated in the presser that Trump is willing to take away funding for Catholic Charities

based on their opposition to his illegal alien policies.

Killer_21 said:

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Killer_21 said:

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The "Christians" on this board must really hate Leviticus 19:34.

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Hopefully Christians prefer to not take a singular verse out of context to support a preconceived opinion.

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Would you prefer Matthew 25:41-45, or if that doesn't work for you maybe Deuteronomy 10:18-19? The entirety of this board could certainly use a brush up on James 21.

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Which is directed to the church, and believers, not the United States of America's federal government. We have had decades of American generosity toward the world, only to be constantly criticized by the likes of Pope Francis, whose own Vatican is barring migrants. End of rant.

Nanomachines son said:

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Bob Lee said:

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Bob Lee said:

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Trigon Jin said:

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I like catholicism, despite attending a non denominational church.

I just don't get their politics sometimes, but the rest of it I have allot of respect for.

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Catholic doctrine itself is probably the most conservative of any Christian denomination. Unfortunately it has been infiltrated by a whole lot of leftists.

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By stats alone in the US, this is demonstrably not true at all. Evangelicals are by far the most political conservative group here, it's not close.

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He said Catholic doctrine. Most Protestants have embraced things like IVF, use of artificial contraceptives, and liberal conceptions of bodily autonomy and human sexuality. Those are incompatible with magisterial teaching and conservatism.

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The stats do not show this at all. Catholics are more liberal across the board in all surveys.

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"Catholic" as an identity is stickier than protestant or evangelical Christian. Faithful Catholics follow the deposit of faith, which is incompatible with liberalism. But a lot of liberals self identify as Catholic even despite the conflict. Protestantism lends itself to liberalism in a way that Catholicism does not. Because protestants by and large have soured on tradition, which is what conservatives want to conserve.

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By all statistics, white evangelicals are the lone bulwark against leftism in the US. You can cope and seethe about it all you want but the stats disagree with you immensely.

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The irony is that protestantism is what promulgates leftism in the US. Protestantism and liberalism are both a rejection of authority. You're crediting a movement that begets schism with the conservation of tradition, and citing to surveys. So dumb.

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And you are still way wrong about how Evangelical Protestants behave. Across the board they are more conservative on every single issue, literally 100% of every issue that is considered conservative. So clearly despite your clearly dubious claims the Catholic Church does an immensely poorer job teaching the Biblically correct beliefs.

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Curious -- Which ones do you have in mind? (genuinely curious, not an `angle' question)

Which ones fit that these days? My guesses:
1st Baptist types like Dallas Jeffers
Presbyterian-Orthodox (PCA, not PSUSA)
That new branch of Methodists?
Only the African located branch of the Episcopalians?

If not those, what others you have in mind?

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How many Roman Catholic Priests in the countless Roman Catholic congregations in South America are speaking out against the local political conditions that are driving these "political refugees" to the United States?

Probably very few

That is the definition of an enabler.


But they sure don't mind taking advantage of the First Amendment in the USA to take shots at Donald Trump.

Social justice, my ass.

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Speak out and they get killed or remain silent and continue to spread the word of God. What would you choose?

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The Bible is pretty clear here. Rather be a martyr than a heretic.

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What would the Apostle Paul do?

What would John The Baptist do?

What would Jesus do?

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Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.

Immigration policy is Caesar's.

The USCCB is suing the Trump administration over the loss of funds for refugee resettlement programs.

But … it’s not about the money, ya know. pic.twitter.com/bxETMQ3l5K

— Lepanto Institute (@LepantoInst) February 19, 2025