No Covid jab, no heart transplant

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itsyourboypookie
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Even if you're a child. RFK needs to end this madness. What's the medical reason a child should ever need a Covid vaccine?

https://www.fox19.com/2025/02/11/childrens-hospital-denies-girl-spot-transplant-list-due-vaccine-status/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR08PMkLcFLA-PDZ-EPJmyyLnKTdbQ2k80bNqSG8vZ-iX759eKh30y2SoG0_aem_tn4dZz6o9bQ-SS6HzgDyxQ#n2ewlqkglik02ghsiyvu18fjk3fwhjx6g
usmcbrooks
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Covid jab is the reason I'll need a heart transplant in near the future.
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Easy fix. Just take the heart of the person that refused her. If it doesn't work, keep moving down the line until you find one that does.
88planoAg
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The article only says because of no flu and covid vaccines, but I wonder if it is because the kid has no vaccines at all.
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The dad should go John Q
Catag94
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Some data have indicated those whose heart were seemingly fine could have benefited from a heart transplant AFTER the jab. Sooooo.
Ellis Wyatt
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usmcbrooks said:

Covid jab is the reason I'll need a new heart in the future.
Ditto.
Infection_Ag11
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And for the record, the article is misleading (or at least unclear). Other reports on the story clarify the parents haven't given ANY of their their children ANY vaccinations at all.
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Yukon Cornelius
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Why does that matter?
Infection_Ag11
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Yukon Cornelius said:

Why does that matter?


Because the framing here is "child denied transplant due to COVID vaccine status" when the actual story is "child denied transplant due to not having any vaccines at all".

No facility anywhere in the world is going to agree to give an organ to someone unwilling to receive any vaccines at all. It would not only be bad medicine, it's fundamentally immoral. There are a very finite numbers of organs. Most people who need a transplant never get one. You owe it both to people on the transplant list as well as those that donated their organs to maximize the likelihood that a recipient will survive and the organ won't be wasted. It's no different than requiring someone stop smoking and doing drugs, or losing weight before a transplant. Getting a heart transplant only to die of preventable pneumococcal meningitis 3 months later would be a travesty.
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Yukon Cornelius
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Was the facility stipulating they needed all the vaccines or just the Covid one?
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itsyourboypookie said:

Even if you're a child. RFK needs to end this madness. What's the medical reason a child should ever need a Covid vaccine?

https://www.fox19.com/2025/02/11/childrens-hospital-denies-girl-spot-transplant-list-due-vaccine-status/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR08PMkLcFLA-PDZ-EPJmyyLnKTdbQ2k80bNqSG8vZ-iX759eKh30y2SoG0_aem_tn4dZz6o9bQ-SS6HzgDyxQ#n2ewlqkglik02ghsiyvu18fjk3fwhjx6g


Stupid of that hospital, but their rules so not much else to say.

I'm glad that other hospital in Pittsburgh reached out to the family. Hopefully that little girl gets what she needs. It's good that she's not in that much of a hurry that she can afford the few day delay.
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Yukon Cornelius said:

Was the facility stipulating they needed all the vaccines or just the Covid one?


It would never be just the COVID vaccine in the case of a transplant patient.
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Yukon Cornelius
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So which ones they were requiring?
Madagascar
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It would not only be bad medicine, it's fundamentally immoral.


Lol but jabbing children with unsafe levels of aluminum that could kill them over diseases that are minimally threatening is totally moral. Right.
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Can she not identify as an illegal? That should solve a lot of her problems.
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Infection_Ag11 said:

And for the record, the article is misleading (or at least unclear). Other reports on the story clarify the parents haven't given ANY of their their children ANY vaccinations at all.


Do you have any links? The girl was adopted from China at four years old so she would have been vaccinated up to that point at least.
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Madagascar said:

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It would not only be bad medicine, it's fundamentally immoral.


Lol but jabbing children with unsafe levels of aluminum that could kill them over diseases that are minimally threatening is totally moral. Right.


Infants ingest more aluminum from routine household/dietary exposures in their first six months of life than they do from all the vaccines they will receive in their entire lives combined. And in both cases those levels are demonstrably not harmful in any way.

For perspective, ALL childhood vaccines combined have about 4.4 milligrams of various aluminum salts used as adjuvants. A breast fed infant ingests 5-10 mg in their first six months. A formula fed infant ingests 30-40 milligrams of aluminum in their first six months alone. The average adult ingests over 10 mg of aluminum EVERY DAY.
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It would be interesting to know if it is just the Covid and Flu vaccines or because the child has not received any.

Keep in mind that once you receive an organ transplant you are put on powerful immune suppressing drugs so that you don't reject your organ. Your new organ is essentially a large foreign object now sitting in your body that your immune system will try to get rid of otherwise.

Organ transplant recipients are susceptible to a whole host of common illnesses and diseases that I'm sure many in the general population would consider "minimal risk." They look for a common standard of "pre-health" before they put you through all of that. Cold, flu, strep and many others can go on to sepsis and kill an organ transplant recipient.
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Yukon Cornelius
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I'd like to see the data on that claim
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usmcbrooks said:

Covid jab is the reason I'll need a new heart in the future.


If you're serious, I hope you are able to get it fixed and you get back to health.
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Yukon Cornelius said:

I'd like to see the data on that claim


If you're asking for the raw numbers on aluminum adjuvants used in vaccines and their safety, here's a good summary with references:

https://www.chop.edu/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-safety/vaccine-ingredients/aluminum
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88planoAg said:

The article only says because of no flu and covid vaccines, but I wonder if it is because the kid has no vaccines at all.
who cares if she does or doesn't?!?

that ought to have ZERO impact on her ability to get other healthcare.
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rjhtamu said:

It would be interesting to know if it is just the Covid and Flu vaccines or because the child has not received any.

Keep in mind that once you receive an organ transplant you are put on powerful immune suppressing drugs so that you don't reject your organ. Your new organ is essentially a large foreign object now sitting in your body that your immune system will try to get rid of otherwise.

Organ transplant recipients are susceptible to a whole host of common illnesses and diseases that I'm sure many in the general population would consider "minimal risk." They look for a common standard of "pre-health" before they put you through all of that. Cold, flu, strep and many others can go on to sepsis and kill an organ transplant recipient.
That child has very likely had flu and COVID in the last 5 years, and would have natural immunity which is superior to any vax.
Secolobo
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The past administration flew in people from around the world and didn't give a **** about their vaccination status...
Teslag
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Seamaster said:

88planoAg said:

The article only says because of no flu and covid vaccines, but I wonder if it is because the kid has no vaccines at all.
who cares if she does or doesn't?!?

that ought to have ZERO impact on her ability to get other healthcare.

A kid without the measles vaccine should be brought into a hospital, or even surgical ward? Are you for real?
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Teslag said:

Seamaster said:

88planoAg said:

The article only says because of no flu and covid vaccines, but I wonder if it is because the kid has no vaccines at all.
who cares if she does or doesn't?!?

that ought to have ZERO impact on her ability to get other healthcare.

A kid without the measles vaccine should be brought into a hospital, or even surgical ward? Are you for real?


Yes. Are you?
Teslag
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Yes, so are hospitals. It's dumb to require covid or flu vaccines, but certain vaccines are definitely required for most surgeries and procedures and for good reason.
redcrayon
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The girl was adopted from China at four years old so she would have been vaccinated up to that point at least.
Seamaster
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Teslag said:

Yes, so are hospitals. It's dumb to require covid or flu vaccines, but certain vaccines are definitely required for most surgeries and procedures and for good reason.


What's the good reason exactly?

If anyone is concerned about contracting measles and they believe the MMR vaccine gives them protection, then by all means, take that shot.

And then, they're protected. Ergo a child who has not had that shot is no risk to them.

See?
Teslag
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Hospitals are full of sick people with compromised immune systems. Even if these people have had previous vaccines they may not be as effective with their current weakened health. There are also people in hospitals who may not have been vaccinated for whatever reason and are being treated. So purposely trying to bring diseases like measels, which we have a vaccine for, is not a risk hospitals will take one, much less give away a badly needed organ to. Which is another issue. They don't want to put a limited resource, like transplanted organs, into someone who isn't willing to take care of themselves with basic things like MMR vaccines purely out of choice.
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usmcbrooks said:

Covid jab is the reason I'll need a new heart in the future.
plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
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Seems like a reason to investigate their non-profit status. Their policies inure to the benefit of for profit companies and individuals, not the public.

For you docs, policies are not necessarily the same as medical decisions regarding appropriate therapies.
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The Kraken said:

usmcbrooks said:

Covid jab is the reason I'll need a new heart in the future.

You laugh. Some of us have been through some horrible **** after being vaccinated. If you're ignorant, it's ok to hide it.
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Infection_Ag11 said:

Madagascar said:

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It would not only be bad medicine, it's fundamentally immoral.


Lol but jabbing children with unsafe levels of aluminum that could kill them over diseases that are minimally threatening is totally moral. Right.


Infants ingest more aluminum from routine household/dietary exposures in their first six months of life than they do from all the vaccines they will receive in their entire lives combined. And in both cases those levels are demonstrably not harmful in any way.

For perspective, ALL childhood vaccines combined have about 4.4 milligrams of various aluminum salts used as adjuvants. A breast fed infant ingests 5-10 mg in their first six months. A formula fed infant ingests 30-40 milligrams of aluminum in their first six months alone. The average adult ingests over 10 mg of aluminum EVERY DAY.


Ingestion =/= Injection.

Aluminum in our food does not get absorbed into the body while injected aluminum does. This case was brought forward by a pro-vac pediatrician named Paul Offit.

Because of this the FDA has set a limit on recommended injectable aluminum. From this article, https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/infants-risk-aluminum-toxicity-unapproved-potassium-phosphates-drug-product.

"In December 2022, FDA issued a draft guidance for industry that clarifies the key factors in determining the appropriate aluminum limit in a small volume parenteral drug or pharmacy bulk package for products approved for use in parenteral nutrition. FDA's guidance includes a recommendation that the total allowable aluminum exposure from parenteral nutrition should not exceed 5 mcg/kg/day"

At the 2 month visit, infants who weigh ~10 lbs or less get 240 mcg/kg of neurotoxin injected into their bloodstream. And we are surprised at the levels of Autism rising? Plus there is more and more evidence out there that the vaccines are not really as effective as they are being advertised. I'm all for safe transplants but the medical community needs to start being honest with themselves about what constitutes health and whether it is ever appropriate to act like they have a personality disorder when parents bring up concerns.
 
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