The pain of having an adult woke far left child.....

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TheEternalOptimist said:

You guys are the best.

F16 For Politics....... and some Hope too!

I showed my wife this thread - most of your responses meant a lot to her too. She wants a TexAgs account now. Get ready!


There's rules..


J/k

With the amount of propaganda and peer pressure that kids have to navigate is enormous and I'm surprised more youth hasn't fallen victim to the nonsense. I hope things improve for all of you as the nation thaws out from its slumber.
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Hang in there OP.

We have friends who are a great family in our school / church and the oldest went this woke route. He is up in Seattle doing Lord knows what. I gather contact is minimal. Their other 4 kids are awesome. I think the oldest was heavily influenced by a drama / theatrical arts teacher here in DFW. Thank God both of mine seem to be of the common sense variety.
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EclipseAg said:

I say this all the time, but kids today -- especially young women -- are steeped in progressive thinking. It's everywhere -- in social media, in entertainment, in the songs they hear and the shows they watch and the websites they visit and on and on.

You can share your thoughts and beliefs but you are one voice in a sea of opposite voices.

One of the many benefits of Trump winning and the zeitgeist shifting is that it makes it okay and even cool to be patriotic and conservative. That's huge. Or YUUUGE.

Yep. Charlie Kirk and Vivek going to these campuses was massive for the Republican Party and Trump in the election.
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David_Puddy said:

EclipseAg said:

I say this all the time, but kids today -- especially young women -- are steeped in progressive thinking. It's everywhere -- in social media, in entertainment, in the songs they hear and the shows they watch and the websites they visit and on and on.

You can share your thoughts and beliefs but you are one voice in a sea of opposite voices.

One of the many benefits of Trump winning and the zeitgeist shifting is that it makes it okay and even cool to be patriotic and conservative. That's huge. Or YUUUGE.

Yep. Charlie Kirk and Vivek going to these campuses was massive for the Republican Party and Trump in the election.
young childless women seem to be the main culprit in the hyper progressive train of thought. Cancel culture has been studied and at least related to how vengeful would women tend to act emotionally towards those who would cross their beliefs. Jordan Peterson has talked about this phenomenon actually based on research he has done.
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American Hardwood said:

Scary stuff. I got lucky. My middle daughter is very into theater and was a frequent participant in a local theater group. She has been surrounded by LGBT for most of her formative teen years and on into early adult life including her time at A&M given her pursuits and the people that generally are found in that activity. She took an internship in the belly of the beast at Disney.

However, despite that environment, she is decidedly un-woke and is well on her way to being a staunch conservative. One of my proud moments was a recent photo she sent me of her at her first gun show in Florida. Last year, she asked me for a handgun for her birthday.

You just never know how it will turn out, but all you can do is be steadfast and loving when it comes to kids.
did you have to endure any community theater that promotes victimhood and social justice?

My daughter's freshmen yr, we would go to a hallway and wait for thekids after the show. Of course, the kids would come out , say hi and then have to break down the set. On a bulletin board was posted, "the axis of evil. bush, cheney, rumsfeld"
I was pissed.
I deleted a whole bunch I typed cuz she now lives with an Ag, but the point is they eventually come around.
.........and if you wanna hear God laugh, tell him your plans.
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TheEternalOptimist said:

aTmAg said:

What age?
22
Stick in there. A miracle occurs at the age of 35.
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OP, Sorry and I will pray for your family.

My 3 kids (all teenagers, oldest girl) have been in Catholic school since Pre-k. My wife was adamant about this and I would have been fine either way. I went to public so didn't see any issues.

But knowing what I have seen and reading this thread makes me thank her daily for pushing this decision.

Catholic schools breeds a very high percentage of conservatives who have conservative values. It allows parents to question any hyper woke decisions without pushback. It allows nuns to teach classes and push conservative values. It is not perfect but it is it prevents constant liberal woke ideas from being taught daily.

Kids from 5 grades on start to build real values/positions and if they are constantly fed the woke crap, they start to believe it. They respect teachers and if the majority tells them they should feel ashamed because their great great grandfathers did something wrong, then they start to get this mindset.

It is expensive but I rather spend the money now with a higher chance of conservative kids vs save the money in public and spend the money later dealing with weak minded adults.

It is the best money I have ever spent.
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I hope you are right about 35
My son is 30 was straight A student, a bit shy but had friends etc. get out of college did well good reviews at work etc then got let go for no reason. DEI I suspect He had nervous breakdown and has fallen apart. I pray but not much is changing. It breaks my heart
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I see lots of blame being placed on schools and the internet and everything else, but no mention of parenting….
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Things can definitely change. At about age 15, my nephew went on a hard left tilt. Became an atheist, a Communist, and decided he wanted to transition to a girl. He changed his name, cross dressed, took puberty blocking drugs at about age 16, and started female hormones. He stopped doing homework at school, made a scene at graduation by refusing to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance at his private school, etc. His parents were paralyzed with fear because of everything the psychiatrist, psychologist, and the Internet said might happen if they didn't allow it. To make matters worse, my sister-in-law (his Mother) had a best friend whose child transitioned female to male, was purportedly online bullied, and killed herself. It was as if the sword of Damocles were swinging over her all of the time. My nephew survived childhood leukemia at 10 years of age, and my sister-in-law described his transition as "losing the son I fought so hard to keep alive when he had leukemia".

Fast forward about 4 years and he woke up and realized the entire thing was one big, fat mistake. He is now a huge opponent of giving hormones to minors. He is especially upset with the psychiatrist who gave the final sign-off for his hormones (that person was a transexual themselves, imagine that!). He still has a ways to go, but he is growing up and realizing how he hurt himself and how he hurt others in the process. He is eating well, exercising, and trying to build up his male body.

Kids are stupid. Sometimes they do stupid things. Usually they grow up, I hope and pray yours does. It can happen.
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EclipseAg said:

I say this all the time, but kids today -- especially young women -- are steeped in progressive thinking. It's everywhere -- in social media, in entertainment, in the songs they hear and the shows they watch and the websites they visit and on and on.

You can share your thoughts and beliefs but you are one voice in a sea of opposite voices.

One of the many benefits of Trump winning and the zeitgeist shifting is that it makes it okay and even cool to be patriotic and conservative. That's huge. Or YUUUGE.


Uh, it isn't just young women. Large swaths of professional women are steeped in it, too. If she's college educated and has a professional career, there's a big likelihood that her peers and bosses are progressive, too.
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TheEternalOptimist said:

......who calls you 'Nazi' and says 'You are not my parents'. Who rejects the precepts of God and morality.

I can not be alone. But it is a very lonely feeling at times.

Thankful for my other two children who encourage me to be faithful and stand true.

What we are dealing with personally has made me loathe the whole woke nonsense even more. It is a mind virus and it harms families deeply. I righteously resent it.


Hope it is still not in your will.
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I always thought I'd be sentimental as my children aged and moved out.

But nope. I'm ready for you to go. And whatever you make of yourself at that point is on you.

We've done the best we can as parents and I'm okay with that. You are free to be who you want to be, live how you want to live, and act how you want to act.

Side note/ I have an estranged brother who disowned the family. Blamed my parents for his miserable life. They have grandchildren they have never seen and I have nieces and nephews, and my children cousins we have never known.
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TheEternalOptimist said:

......who calls you 'Nazi' and says 'You are not my parents'. Who rejects the precepts of God and morality.

I can not be alone. But it is a very lonely feeling at times.

Thankful for my other two children who encourage me to be faithful and stand true.

What we are dealing with personally has made me loathe the whole woke nonsense even more. It is a mind virus and it harms families deeply. I righteously resent it.
OP, you are not alone. In fact I believe it has become somewhat common. It is a goal of the left to separate children from their parents. The left uses cult-like techniques to do this, and in case you haven't noticed, they do collectively act as a religious political cult.

It's happening to people right now that don't even realize it. And to those of you with children, it is a warning: it can be over for you way before you realize what is going on. That was certainly what happened to my wife and I. And my wife is an absolute saint and an incredible mother, so I know this did not come from the family. My younger son simply has developed a personality disorder that I can no longer do anything about.

Like you, my older son provides me comfort that this isn't my fault, although I still blame myself for ever letting this happen. If I could only go back and stop these outside influences (internet and school leftists) from ever invading my son's mind, I would give anything to do so. But I cannot and it is almost assuredly a finality. My son is essentially dead. And I am left in disbelief in what has happened and it is a mystery to me how it happened. An extremely happy, normal, exceptionally intelligent child has been completely destroyed

This isn't about political differences. Tolerating differences of opinion is certainly possible with my wife and I. I am perfectly happy to accommodate my son's alternate beliefs. We were not and are not going to be given that chance.

So I will use your thread to warn anyone who will listen. Don't let them have your children. Pay attention to EVERYTHING they are watching and reading. I always believed in letting my children chart their own destiny to a large extent. In many ways, I let that belief interfere with good parenting and allowing them to be brainwashed at much too early an age. The radical leftists are everywhere and they will take every opportunity to brainwash your child and adopt your child into the cult. You may think your child is too intelligent and too kind hearted to ever have this happen. Not true. Those things can be used against them to change them forever. Be careful and pay attention. That's my advice. Like death, it cannot be undone. It has to be stopped before it happens.
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TheEternalOptimist said:

American Hardwood said:

Scary stuff. I got lucky. My middle daughter is very into theater and was a frequent participant in a local theater group. She has been surrounded by LGBT for most of her formative teen years and on into early adult life including her time at A&M given her pursuits and the people that generally are found in that activity. She took an internship in the belly of the beast at Disney.

However, despite that environment, she is decidedly un-woke and is well on her way to being a staunch conservative. One of my proud moments was a recent photo she sent me of her at her first gun show in Florida. Last year, she asked me for a handgun for her birthday.

You just never know how it will turn out, but all you can do is be steadfast and loving when it comes to kids.
Mine is living a Lesbian lifestyle.

And we won't acquiesece to her demands that we will support it.

We accept she has chosen this path. But we will not be bullied into abandoning the truth of the Gospel.

Luke 14:26:
"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple."




The fact that you say she is "Living a lesbian lifestyle" rather than accepting her as a lesbian is why she doesn't like you.
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Sorry to hear that. However, I'll throat punch my kids if they called me a Nazi. This they know for the Bible tells them so.
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TheEternalOptimist said:

......who calls you 'Nazi' and says 'You are not my parents'. Who rejects the precepts of God and morality.

I can not be alone. But it is a very lonely feeling at times.

Thankful for my other two children who encourage me to be faithful and stand true.

What we are dealing with personally has made me loathe the whole woke nonsense even more. It is a mind virus and it harms families deeply. I righteously resent it.
That's a really difficult one and I know it has to bring you immense pain. I have 2 boys and have been blessed that both are very conservative. Older son loves to hunt and fish and used his money he made from his Commercial Sea Term to buy a new gun. We don't talk a ton of politics but enough to know where he stands, he'd rather talk about Aggie sports or other stuff. Younger son is also conservative but is strong academically and is surrounded by a lot of liberals in school. He's always had no issues being his own person though and going his own way. We have a lot more in depth political discussions as he has debates with his friends who are on the other side, though he's always careful about how he approaches things. I've tried to prepare him for the inevitable intolerance that liberals have which is the worst kind, the person who thinks they are open minded but think that means that everyone should see the world as they do. They usually think of themselves as being worldly when they don't realize they just live in a different type of bubble and don't want to admit their elitism.

For your daughter my guess is it may be a natural reaction of having multiple kids. It's natural to have one want to rebel and be different. That could be for attention or the lack of it. Could be they just have self esteem issues. Could be they just had someone or a group of people that influenced them when they were vulnerable. In my experience with friends it is usually one of those.

The best advice I have for you is to of course pray but beyond that make sure to show your daughter love. Smile at her. When she brings up politics don't fight with her if you can stand it, just make sure she knows how you feel about her and the love you have for her. Give her hugs. Do all you can not to yell or allow her to provoke you. Try to find topics that you can all agree on. If you can't do that just ask her about her life and what interests her and just listen and do your best not to get provoked as she will likely say some things expecting you to be. If she says you are not her parents tell her she will always be your daughter to you and you will always love her.

Eventually the hope is that she will have a moment where the spell breaks and she remembers you are family and you love her. You may not agree on everything but you can hopefully get to be civil and find enough common ground to be able to be there for one another.

If that doesn't happen though and she remains angry and distant just try to find ways to enjoy the moments you have together and not get your hopes up that they will be something you wish they could be. I have that situation with a family member I simply can't fix and I know my wife had to get to that point with her Mom. You can't fix people that don't want to be fixed but you can try to always show them love and patience and try to enjoy moments when they come without expectations. That's not great but it is better than the alternative.

God Bless.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

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1876er said:

TheEternalOptimist said:

American Hardwood said:

Scary stuff. I got lucky. My middle daughter is very into theater and was a frequent participant in a local theater group. She has been surrounded by LGBT for most of her formative teen years and on into early adult life including her time at A&M given her pursuits and the people that generally are found in that activity. She took an internship in the belly of the beast at Disney.

However, despite that environment, she is decidedly un-woke and is well on her way to being a staunch conservative. One of my proud moments was a recent photo she sent me of her at her first gun show in Florida. Last year, she asked me for a handgun for her birthday.

You just never know how it will turn out, but all you can do is be steadfast and loving when it comes to kids.
Mine is living a Lesbian lifestyle.

And we won't acquiesece to her demands that we will support it.

We accept she has chosen this path. But we will not be bullied into abandoning the truth of the Gospel.

Luke 14:26:
"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple."




The fact that you say she is "Living a lesbian lifestyle" rather than accepting her as a lesbian is why she doesn't like you.
You have a history of defending groomers and such...... so your response is not shocking.

Define for me objective truth....... and define for me your source of morality and behavior.

It is a lifestyle choice. And we know it is .... because contrary to the claims of the woke left throngs..... people walk away from it often.

Like this woman: https://rosariabutterfield.com/

AND we know that the early church was composed of people who walked away from that sinful lifestyle too:

1 Corinthians 6:911

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9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you
were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.


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I think now is a good time to remind people that being gay is a choice, you aren't born that way.
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I like this, straight from the God of Israel


Deuteronomy 21:18-21

If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard." 21 Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.
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1876er said:

TheEternalOptimist said:

American Hardwood said:

Scary stuff. I got lucky. My middle daughter is very into theater and was a frequent participant in a local theater group. She has been surrounded by LGBT for most of her formative teen years and on into early adult life including her time at A&M given her pursuits and the people that generally are found in that activity. She took an internship in the belly of the beast at Disney.

However, despite that environment, she is decidedly un-woke and is well on her way to being a staunch conservative. One of my proud moments was a recent photo she sent me of her at her first gun show in Florida. Last year, she asked me for a handgun for her birthday.

You just never know how it will turn out, but all you can do is be steadfast and loving when it comes to kids.
Mine is living a Lesbian lifestyle.

And we won't acquiesece to her demands that we will support it.

We accept she has chosen this path. But we will not be bullied into abandoning the truth of the Gospel.

Luke 14:26:
"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple."




The fact that you say she is "Living a lesbian lifestyle" rather than accepting her as a lesbian is why she doesn't like you.


I find it enormously interesting and amusing that people with your views think people can identify as whatever gender they wish on a whim amd at the drop of a hat.

And yet get their panties in a knot when someone indicates that someone is identifying or choosing to live a certain sexual lifestyle.

Why is a person capable of choosing what kind of genitals they have but Not capable of choosing what kind of genitals they want to rub their own genitals against?

If you can explain that I would be tremendously grateful.
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Don't want it speak for the OP but it sounds like he's not given the opportunity to even communicate with her or even when he does, she will not let him have these sort of caring/rational discussion without her judgment & hateful terminology (ie "Nazi, "facist," "racist," etc). Very tough situation but lots of good ideas & ways to handle it on this thread
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David_Puddy said:

Don't want it speak for the OP but it sounds like he's not given the opportunity to even communicate with her or even when he does, she will not let him have these sort of caring/rational discussion without her judgment & hateful terminology (ie "Nazi, "facist," "racist," etc). Very tough situation but lots of good ideas & ways to handle it on this thread
^ This is true.

We want relationship despite where we disagree. She doesn't unless we agree with her on everything and support everything she does.
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TheEternalOptimist said:

gabehcoud said:

I can't imagine choosing politics over family. You don't have to agree. Just try not talking politics
"I can not call anyone who supports Elon Musk my parents. He is a Nazi and he gave a Nazi salute'.

Yep. She said that.




As crazy as it sounds, her heart may be in the right place, she's just terribly misguided. Crazy how many young women (and even affluent soccer moms, who you would hope would know better) have been ideologically captured and convinced that their political stance is now supremely moral and the other side is driven by evil and hatred. When we know it's quite the opposite.

I bet she'll come around. And she does NOT hate you. How do you know? She would mourn the hell out of your death.
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gabehcoud said:

I can't imagine choosing politics and/or religion over family. You don't have to agree. Just try not talking politics

You can't imagine choosing religion over family? I can't imagine choosing anything/anyone over God.

They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.

Luke 12:53
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TheEternalOptimist said:

You guys are the best.

F16 For Politics....... and some Hope too!

I showed my wife this thread - most of your responses meant a lot to her too. She wants a TexAgs account now. Get ready!




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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

My only advice is to never cease to pray for her. She will always be your daughter no matter how hateful she may be, now or in the future. But our Lord works in His way and His timing. Give her time and I believe she'll return to you.

This right here. There was a story of a big time partier (I believe he has a book about his transformation) about the power of prayer. He would be at a party, getting drunk and doing drugs, when he would get this overwhelming peace that would just kill the party vibe he was feeling not seconds before.

He gets his phone. It is 3 am. He calls his mom and says, "Stop praying for me Mom!".

I think that is why we have such an affinity with the prodigal son parable. We have all taken that road that our Father doesn't want us to take, but lets us because of free will. All we can do is love and pray and hope they have that meeting with Christ.

I have two, 4 yr old girl and 2 yr old boy, and I worry about them but know that I ultimately have as much control of their life as I do on mine. Zero. Because He is in control of everything.

Just love, pray and live by the Truth. He will turn this chapter in her life into a testimony is your daughter allows it. Pray and love man.
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OP - pray daily for your child.
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Our children are of tomorrow and as young adults they have to figure it out and find their own way. You really done parenting when they hit 10. You raised them right: Trust in that, Trust God and God's plan.

Easy as a seasoned adult - drop all the politics, you be there when she falls. Be a family.
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Medaggie said:

OP, Sorry and I will pray for your family.

My 3 kids (all teenagers, oldest girl) have been in Catholic school since Pre-k. My wife was adamant about this and I would have been fine either way. I went to public so didn't see any issues.

But knowing what I have seen and reading this thread makes me thank her daily for pushing this decision.

Catholic schools breeds a very high percentage of conservatives who have conservative values. It allows parents to question any hyper woke decisions without pushback. It allows nuns to teach classes and push conservative values. It is not perfect but it is it prevents constant liberal woke ideas from being taught daily.

Kids from 5 grades on start to build real values/positions and if they are constantly fed the woke crap, they start to believe it. They respect teachers and if the majority tells them they should feel ashamed because their great great grandfathers did something wrong, then they start to get this mindset.

It is expensive but I rather spend the money now with a higher chance of conservative kids vs save the money in public and spend the money later dealing with weak minded adults.

It is the best money I have ever spent.
Nuns??? Where do you have nuns?? I'll ship my daughter there...we are happy to have Protestants that teach well at our "Catholic" school.
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For those who have kids still at home, this is a good book:

Raising Conservative Kids in a Woke City: Teaching Historical, Economic, and Biological Truth in a World of Lies by Stacy Manning and Katy Faust

Mrs. Rafkennel
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I was able to navigate mine through public schools and go 4-for-4 on conservatives to this point. HS and College and I feel somewhat confident in that staying solid.

But I actually think it really helped we were in deep blue states when they were young - it made us become very active in teaching and educating them from day 1 on what we believe even when surrounded by people proactively pushing the opposite. It both galvanized us and just got us all very used to talking about our beliefs, our economic and political views, and frankly logic base reasoning at every turn.

Also had to them how to navigate the group think and other forms of thought conformity promulgated by leftists as early as elementary.




All that's said - we all agree the next generation will almost certainly all be in private school.
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We need a new Rush, he did wonders for my 25 year old. When he was 8 or so he would throw a tantrum that I'd have Rush on while we were driving. When Trump honored him with the Medal of Freedom at the SOTU and when Rush died, I think he may have wept. We need another Rush to carry the next generation forward.
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TheEternalOptimist said:

David_Puddy said:

Don't want it speak for the OP but it sounds like he's not given the opportunity to even communicate with her or even when he does, she will not let him have these sort of caring/rational discussion without her judgment & hateful terminology (ie "Nazi, "facist," "racist," etc). Very tough situation but lots of good ideas & ways to handle it on this thread
^ This is true.

We want relationship despite where we disagree. She doesn't unless we agree with her on everything and support everything she does.

It's a very tough situation for sure and I can't imagine how painful it is to have your daughter treat you like that. My point is simply when you do get an opportunity just express love and listen. She expects to provoke you and to make you out to be evil. I also know that is much easier said than done and it's far more complicated than can be expressed on a Board like this.

Do know that others are praying for you and your daughter as well. God Bless.
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TheEternalOptimist said:

......who calls you 'Nazi' and says 'You are not my parents'. Who rejects the precepts of God and morality.

I can not be alone. But it is a very lonely feeling at times.

Thankful for my other two children who encourage me to be faithful and stand true.

What we are dealing with personally has made me loathe the whole woke nonsense even more. It is a mind virus and it harms families deeply. I righteously resent it.
Remove every privilege that you and your wife provide for her.
 
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