No Spin Ag said:

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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They should be looking for fraud. That's the job. It should be the only job.

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. Agreed. But I would also like total transparency.

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This.

We shouldn't automatically trust someone just because they're on "one's side." That's begging for the sheep to take its clothing off to reveal the wolf beneath.

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What more transparency do you seek outside of them publishing everything they are doing and knowing the MSM may actually do their job and investigate viciously for any potential misstep.

Hell, the DOGE website has a non-consequential glitch regarding source data and it was exploited and published for the world at lightning speed.

Again, what else are you looking for?

I get an email every year or so that my SSN or something else was accessed through some data breach. At least I get something out of Elon seeing it.

p1 Claire said:

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I trust Elon Musk with my IRS data more than I trust the IRS with it.

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. You trust a guy who has 13 children with 4 different women, smokes pot on air and founded two major companies with heavy government subsidies as a major part of their success. Interesting.

No Spin Ag said:

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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They should be looking for fraud. That's the job. It should be the only job.

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. Agreed. But I would also like total transparency.

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This.

We shouldn't automatically trust someone just because they're on "one's side." That's begging for the sheep to take its clothing off to reveal the wolf beneath.

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If I could do this, I would submit my tax information to Musk directly, and ask him not to send it to the IRS.

The IRS is not on my "side." They have proven that.

I am completely OK with Musk accessing my tax information looking for fraud.

But, I would question what the hell he is doing if that access leads to an audit of my little tax return until every NGO in existence. If I had income as big as Musk, I would expect an audit sometime in the next 4 years.

flown-the-coop said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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They should be looking for fraud. That's the job. It should be the only job.

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. Agreed. But I would also like total transparency.

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This.

We shouldn't automatically trust someone just because they're on "one's side." That's begging for the sheep to take its clothing off to reveal the wolf beneath.

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What more transparency do you seek outside of them publishing everything they are doing and knowing the MSM may actually do their job and investigate viciously for any potential misstep.

Hell, the DOGE website has a non-consequential glitch regarding source data and it was exploited and published for the world at lightning speed.

Again, what else are you looking for?

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We're assuming they're posting everything. How do we know they're not holding things back for their own personal reasons? Are there non-DOGE people, from both sides, watching them as they work, that way we can be sure they're not straying from what they tell us they're doing?

I don't only not trust the government 24/7 regardless of whether it's the left OR right in charge, but I don't trust ANYONE, regardless of who they are.

AggieHammer2000 said:

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p1 Claire said:

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I trust Elon Musk with my IRS data more than I trust the IRS with it.

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. You trust a guy who has 13 children with 4 different women, smokes pot on air and founded two major companies with heavy government subsidies as a major part of their success. Interesting.

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We just had a mentally ******ed president and the country was run by ___________ for four years. We have discovered that we have been funding every left wing media outlet and overthrowing democracies throughout the world. We have no idea how much money Joe and Hunter Biden actually got from Ukraine, China, and Iran. I think we'll be OK with Elon helping take out the trash.

I mean, my ox hasn't been gored by any of this. Maybe yours has.

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Wait. You're suggesting Elon Musk is stealing our data?

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No idea, but I can't do a FOIA request to find out. I am sure it's all in the up and up. Absolute power never corrupted anyone right.

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Why not? If your request is lawful then the information will be provided to you.

I advise patience, persistence, a good FOIA lawyer, and the money to pay them.

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DOGE is expected to be filed under Pres Records so FOIA does not have to give up info. Do you have money for a good FOIA lawyer?

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Well, let's set aside the fact that yes I do have money for a good FOIA lawyer and have employed them several times for PIA (FOIA term for Texas open records request) requests and for responses to PIA requests I have received.

Regarding Musk stealing AggieHammer2000 super secret tax data, well that would be against the law and I have seen no indication that Musk has a track record of using his companies, his wealth and his influence to break the law.

In fact, at great considerable personal costs he opened the books at Twitter to show corruption and law breaking and is now doing the same with D.O.G.E. as an UNPAID special employee of the fed govt.

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Curious. How much is a good FOIA lawyer?

AggieHammer2000 said:

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Kashchei said:

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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Kashchei said:

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The government already knows everything about me and I'm sure they've had my data stolen countless times, so what's one more agency poking at it?

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. It wasn't ok in the past, but it's ok now?

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What was I going to do about it then and what am I going to do about it now?

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. I guess nothing. Will you give me your info? I have never broken a law and never so much as received a speeding ticket. Promise I won't do anything you don't want me to do with it. Plus there's no way to confirm what I did with your info anyway. So go ahead capitulate.

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It's hard not to capitulate when I never had a choice to begin with. I wasn't presented with an "opt out" box then or now. I guess I could not submit my data/taxes and go to prison. The government has my data and they're going to do what they want with it. There's no principle of the matter - it is what it is.

No Spin Ag said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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They should be looking for fraud. That's the job. It should be the only job.

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. Agreed. But I would also like total transparency.

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This.

We shouldn't automatically trust someone just because they're on "one's side." That's begging for the sheep to take its clothing off to reveal the wolf beneath.

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What more transparency do you seek outside of them publishing everything they are doing and knowing the MSM may actually do their job and investigate viciously for any potential misstep.

Hell, the DOGE website has a non-consequential glitch regarding source data and it was exploited and published for the world at lightning speed.

Again, what else are you looking for?

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We're assuming they're posting everything. How do we know they're not holding things back for their own personal reasons? Are there non-DOGE people, from both sides, watching them as they work, that way we can be sure they're not straying from what they tell us they're doing?

I don't only not trust the government 24/7 regardless of whether it's the left OR right in charge, but I don't trust ANYONE, regardless of who they are.

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. This is my only point.

I only wish Musk w review every item about my financial situation including taxes. He just needs to give me a few recommendations so I can get rich as quickly as possible!!

AggieHammer2000 said:

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p1 Claire said:

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I trust Elon Musk with my IRS data more than I trust the IRS with it.

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. You trust a guy who has 13 children with 4 different women, smokes pot on air and founded two major companies with heavy government subsidies as a major part of their success. Interesting.

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I didn't say I trust him to be my husband...I'm not sure I see your point.

the next four year are nothing more than the simpsons gif of nelson pointing and saying " Ha-Ha"

liberal losers.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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p1 Claire said:

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I trust Elon Musk with my IRS data more than I trust the IRS with it.

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. You trust a guy who has 13 children with 4 different women, smokes pot on air and founded two major companies with heavy government subsidies as a major part of their success. Interesting.

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We just had a mentally ******ed president and the country was run by ___________ for four years. We have discovered that we have been funding every left wing media outlet and overthrowing democracies throughout the world. We have no idea how much money Joe and Hunter Biden actually got from Ukraine, China, and Iran. I think we'll be OK with Elon helping take out the trash.

I mean, my ox hasn't been gored by any of this. Maybe yours has.

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. Neither has mine. I am very happy these NGOs are getting crushed. Just want more transparency. Is that too much to ask?

p1 Claire said:

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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p1 Claire said:

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I trust Elon Musk with my IRS data more than I trust the IRS with it.

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. You trust a guy who has 13 children with 4 different women, smokes pot on air and founded two major companies with heavy government subsidies as a major part of their success. Interesting.

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I didn't say I trust him to be my husband...I'm not sure I see your point.

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. Everyone seems to think Musk is incorruptible, when he has major business interests all over the world. I am more of a trust but verify kind of guy. As I think all should be.

"The unusual request would put sensitive data about millions of American taxpayers in the hands of Trump political appointees."

As opposed to Biden or Obama appointees? Please.

Got news for the Democrats. Everyone at the IRS is a political appointee. Now that there is a serious attempt to clean house, they have a problem with it.

Give Musk whatever he needs and blow the place up.

AggieHammer2000 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Wait. You're suggesting Elon Musk is stealing our data?

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No idea, but I can't do a FOIA request to find out. I am sure it's all in the up and up. Absolute power never corrupted anyone right.

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Why not? If your request is lawful then the information will be provided to you.

I advise patience, persistence, a good FOIA lawyer, and the money to pay them.

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DOGE is expected to be filed under Pres Records so FOIA does not have to give up info. Do you have money for a good FOIA lawyer?

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Well, let's set aside the fact that yes I do have money for a good FOIA lawyer and have employed them several times for PIA (FOIA term for Texas open records request) requests and for responses to PIA requests I have received.

Regarding Musk stealing AggieHammer2000 super secret tax data, well that would be against the law and I have seen no indication that Musk has a track record of using his companies, his wealth and his influence to break the law.

In fact, at great considerable personal costs he opened the books at Twitter to show corruption and law breaking and is now doing the same with D.O.G.E. as an UNPAID special employee of the fed govt.

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Curious. How much is a good FOIA lawyer?

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Back in 2023 we paid an Austin firm $500/hr for the lawyer and $220/hr for the paralegal.

These things tend to draw out with lots of back and forth, research, challenges and such.

Ag87H2O said:

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"The unusual request would put sensitive data about millions of American taxpayers in the hands of Trump political appointees."

As opposed to Biden or Obama appointees? Please.

Got news for the Democrats. Everyone at the IRS is a political appointee. Now that there is a serious attempt to clean house, they have a problem with it.

Give Musk whatever he needs and blow the place up.

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. Let's just hope he doesn't destroy the whole damn country in the process.

It is amazing all the BS arguments the left is throwing out there to keep their theft from being stopped.

We all know they have been stealing and trying to take America down from within, but they're insulting our intelligence.

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

flown-the-coop said:

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Wait. You're suggesting Elon Musk is stealing our data?

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No idea, but I can't do a FOIA request to find out. I am sure it's all in the up and up. Absolute power never corrupted anyone right.

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Why not? If your request is lawful then the information will be provided to you.

I advise patience, persistence, a good FOIA lawyer, and the money to pay them.

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DOGE is expected to be filed under Pres Records so FOIA does not have to give up info. Do you have money for a good FOIA lawyer?

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Well, let's set aside the fact that yes I do have money for a good FOIA lawyer and have employed them several times for PIA (FOIA term for Texas open records request) requests and for responses to PIA requests I have received.

Regarding Musk stealing AggieHammer2000 super secret tax data, well that would be against the law and I have seen no indication that Musk has a track record of using his companies, his wealth and his influence to break the law.

In fact, at great considerable personal costs he opened the books at Twitter to show corruption and law breaking and is now doing the same with D.O.G.E. as an UNPAID special employee of the fed govt.

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Curious. How much is a good FOIA lawyer?

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Back in 2023 we paid an Austin firm $500/hr for the lawyer and $220/hr for the paralegal.

These things tend to draw out with lots of back and forth, research, challenges and such.

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So at the end of the day what was the total cost? Is it anything near what a normal person would pay to get the info or does it basically require corporate backing?

Ellis Wyatt said:

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It is amazing all the BS arguments the left is throwing out there to keep their theft from being stopped.

We all know they have been stealing and trying to take America down from within, but they're insulting our intelligence.

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

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That doesn't make sense. Why would they kill the golden goose if they are making so much money? They are so smart they can filch the government, but so dumb they will kill the golden goose?

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my tax data has been in the hands of political operatives for years. those operatives are IRS employees.

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Back in 2023 we paid an Austin firm $500/hr for the lawyer and $220/hr for the paralegal.

These things tend to draw out with lots of back and forth, research, challenges and such.

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So at the end of the day what was the total cost? Is it anything near what a normal person would pay to get the info or does it basically require corporate backing?

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For access to what Elon Musk is going, probably would hit 6 figures pretty quick but you are likely to be denied.

You would have to scope your request in such a way that you seek data about what they are doing with data that you are not allowed to see due to privacy concerns.

You cannot FOIA my tax return just because Elon's team got to see it.

I believe we spent about $15k on the specific request in 2023. And it was very narrow in scope and there were plenty of redactions that would have required a lawsuit to get - so conservatively multiple by 10x.

AggieHammer2000 said:

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p1 Claire said:

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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p1 Claire said:

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I trust Elon Musk with my IRS data more than I trust the IRS with it.

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. You trust a guy who has 13 children with 4 different women, smokes pot on air and founded two major companies with heavy government subsidies as a major part of their success. Interesting.

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I didn't say I trust him to be my husband...I'm not sure I see your point.

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. Everyone seems to think Musk is incorruptible, when he has major business interests all over the world. I am more of a trust but verify kind of guy. As I think all should be.

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Do you not think IRS agents are corruptible? If the richest man in the world can be corruptible, and an IRS agent making <$80k can be corruptible, I will take my chances with the billionaire 10/10 times. Did I ever say he's a perfect person? No. But I don't trust much that has been going on over the past several years and I'll put my trust in the change, not the status quo.

flown-the-coop said:

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Back in 2023 we paid an Austin firm $500/hr for the lawyer and $220/hr for the paralegal.

These things tend to draw out with lots of back and forth, research, challenges and such.

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So at the end of the day what was the total cost? Is it anything near what a normal person would pay to get the info or does it basically require corporate backing?

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For access to what Elon Musk is going, probably would hit 6 figures pretty quick but you are likely to be denied.

You would have to scope your request in such a way that you seek data about what they are doing with data that you are not allowed to see due to privacy concerns.

You cannot FOIA my tax return just because Elon's team got to see it.

I believe we spent about $15k on the specific request in 2023. And it was very narrow in scope and there were plenty of redactions that would have required a lawsuit to get - so conservatively multiple by 10x.

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wow. That's crazy. Seems like it should be easier for normal Americans to access this information. Thank you for the response. Very enlightening.

What nefarious things are they going to do with my information? Can someone be specific about that? Assuming that they actually have that level of access and not just metadata access.

p1 Claire said:

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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p1 Claire said:

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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p1 Claire said:

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I trust Elon Musk with my IRS data more than I trust the IRS with it.

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. You trust a guy who has 13 children with 4 different women, smokes pot on air and founded two major companies with heavy government subsidies as a major part of their success. Interesting.

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I didn't say I trust him to be my husband...I'm not sure I see your point.

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. Everyone seems to think Musk is incorruptible, when he has major business interests all over the world. I am more of a trust but verify kind of guy. As I think all should be.

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Do you not think IRS agents are corruptible? If the richest man in the world can be corruptible, and an IRS agent making <$80k can be corruptible, I will take my chances with the billionaire 10/10 times. Did I ever say he's a perfect person? No. But I don't trust much that has been going on over the past several years and I'll put my trust in the change, not the status quo.

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Lets see. Do I trust a low level accountant who stands to go to jail for a long long time and lose their job or do I trust a billionaire who can weaponize all of our data to make billions and billions and not go to jail? That's the question you're asking me? I think I would trust the low level accountant. Call me crazy.

Crazy

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What nefarious things are they going to do with my information? Can someone be specific about that? Assuming that they actually have that level of access and not just metadata access.

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. You don't think that meta data has massive value? You think Google got rich just providing a web browser. Wake up dude.

AggieHammer2000 said:

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wow. That's crazy. Seems like it should be easier for normal Americans to access this information. Thank you for the response. Very enlightening.

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I can see your point, but FOIA / PIA requests can place a tremendous burden not only on the responding agency, but anyone else who may need to respond. In our instance, looking into procurements will lead to requests for information from all submitting parties as their information may / will also be disclosed.

You can submit one on your own and I guess you could navigate on your own. But the responding agency has their own staff and counsel to handle the responses.

Rest assured, the FOIA requests on DOGE activities will be funded by Soros and friends, no one here on f16 will need to hire the lawyers on their own.

And that is the broader point. This stuff is of the highest profile and will be subject to all of the tricks, tactics and tantrums the left can muster up.

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Crazy

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Achtung! Ihren Pass, bitte!