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Michelle King was in the job for a month, likely at the end of a 30+ year career. Exactly what would she be fired for after one month?

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You're either part of the problem or part of the solution. Michelle exposed herself as part of the problem.

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You half-cocked pretend managers are a hoot. You carry your hammers around looking for nails, swing blindly a few times, cancel a few projects, gain 10 more pounds, then move on to your next gig on the org chart after a few months. I've seen you come and go. About the only drama is whether you'll retire before you have to untuck your Brooks Brothers Executive Fit shirts.

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I'm pretty disappointed that we had so many government employees blindly going along with absolute waste and fraud in government spending, and no one raised their hand to say - "we have a problem here."

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It was a free ride. They didn't even have to show up for work. We have paid them for nearly five years for very little actual work. Meanwhile, they were getting COLA raises or steps up in pay that the private sector was not.

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Could we see where these checks are going?

Find out who is living off them?

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I was hoping Elon would pull up that information without naming recipients. He can just say "A 150 year old man from XYZville, New York for paid $2500.00."

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Can you imagine the howling if Elon were naming private citizens? They would have attempted to sue him into oblivion.

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The most logical explanation is not fraud. The most logical explanation is fat fingering birthdays and other bad data.

Seriously, if someone were trying to defraud the government, there are better ways to fly under the radar than pretending your immortal.

Doesn't mean there aren't things that should be fixed, but a lot yall jump to fraud way too fast.

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Yippee!! It's not fraud that's wasting our money, just gross negligence and incompetence!

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There probably is money being wasted, but that's not what Musk is reporting here.

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What is Musk reporting? You say he's not reporting on waste, then you say he's not reporting on fraud (only some forum posters are). So if it's not waste/incompetence or fraud/abuse, then what is it? Please enlighten us.

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I think that's the point. He's posting random *****

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No, that's more what you are doing. He is attempting to audit the waste, fraud, abuse, and theft of tax dollars. The only people who have a problem with it are people who want it to continue.

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Who specifically on this thread has indicated has a problem with it? If you are insinuating that I have a problem with it, you couldn't be more wrong. There is a ton of waste in government. What I do have a problem is saying half truths and bs in order to inflame.

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Well you sure haven't provided anything to refute him other than derailing the thread about how you read a book once. In fact, nobody has clearly stated exactly what Elon is doing wrong with any factual basis. And we've asked, multiple times, for you smarter people to explain what we're missing.

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You can tell who is old and who is really old in this thread.

I started my first job as a COBOL programmer in 1998. Thank you Y2K for my first job, working on an IBM Mainframe for a Fortune 100 Company.

We have database experts on here talking about SQL and that is fine and dandy. I am currently employed as a database designer. The COBOL program is probably not using a relational database.

We have people talking about data types and whether dates are supported in the many variations of the COBOL language. This is also missing the point.

The early COBOL systems were processing fixed width flat files, think of a txt file in Notepad. The record was defined by file width. For example the first 9 spaces would be the SSN. The next 20 spaces would be the first name. The next 8 would be birth date, the next 8 would be death date.

So it would look like this if I died today and was born in 1951

123456789Tumble Weed 0101195102182025

The COBOL program has to loop through all records in the file and read each one individually.

COBOL can use a relational db, such as DB2, or any other flavor, but these programs are probably using flat files. It is likely so antiquated that you can't just state "select * from customer where birth date < '01/01/1900'".

Elon isn't doing anything wrong. He has the technical understanding to process the data that he sees.

The cool thing is that Elon is showing all of us the problems in real time.

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Good excuse for the Govt to get off mainframes and into 2025. I am not sure the cloud platforms like AWS, GCP, Azure are secure enough. And depends on a company. It has to be on-prem. Rebuild the database.

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One of his autistic savants probably parsed it in python and loaded it into a database in 30 minutes and then sent him a screenshot.

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Your example above is identical to our main system I started with in 1997. COBOL, in an AS400 mainframe using db2.
That parsing brings back memories..... {/Mad face}

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Michelle King was in the job for a month, likely at the end of a 30+ year career. Exactly what would she be fired for after one month?

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You're either part of the problem or part of the solution. Michelle exposed herself as part of the problem.

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You half-cocked pretend managers are a hoot. You carry your hammers around looking for nails, swing blindly a few times, cancel a few projects, gain 10 more pounds, then move on to your next gig on the org chart after a few months.

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a. I am not a pretend manager. I am very real.
b. I have nothing to do with what DOGE is doing.
c. This is massive incompetence at best, with malfeasance more likely. Anyone squealing is protecting a tremendous waste of taxpayer dollars.

I have no sympathy for people who have avoided working in a competitive environment for 30 years. If they cannot justify their existence in the organization, they should be gone yesterday.

This whole topic reminds me of the digital voting devices. At first, we need them because they are more secure. But then we say they're connected to the internet and can easily be hacked. The left protests and slowly admits it. Then conveniently shifts the talking points to "don't worry if they can be hacked, they're totally secure. The lack of logs prove it". Insanity

Nobody on earth would design a system this open to abuse. I work in IT and have worked in these scale systems my entire career. In fact,I shared these updates with a staunch lefty and expert database consultant. Guess what he says? Nobody would ever leave a system in this condition. He immediately wanted to query it himself.

This isnt negligence. It's intentional so that other systems (if you know the workflow logic) will take these "errors" and turn it into billions of waste.

There is likely to be some amount of over-payment fraud associated with bogus over 100 year olds. I'd be particularly suspicious of overseas retirement payments.

However, my spidey sense tells me there is likely to be some notable contingent fraud. Who uses the SSA Population data? I believe it feeds into the Census. And the Census is known to over-estimate the population of certain states. How much in the way of Federal appropriations is keyed directly or indirectly to the SSA data? What about Congressional representation. There are other reasons population rolls don't get cleaned up beyond sloth.

For those crapping on Elon sensationalizing this, I say he needs to. Looks like this was brought up repeatedly in the past and all we got was some shoulder shrugs and some typical government non-response. More people need to be upset about this. If it takes him yelling "fire" in a theater, so be it. MSM is trying to douse the flames daily, the independents, libertarians, and sane democrats need to have the scales peeled off their eyes.

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That explains 1 person...

I get the feeling a lot of posters on this thread have never really worked with data before.

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The most logical explanation is not fraud. The most logical explanation is fat fingering birthdays and other bad data.

Seriously, if someone were trying to defraud the government, there are better ways to fly under the radar than pretending your immortal.

Doesn't mean there aren't things that should be fixed, but a lot yall jump to fraud way too fast.

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Yippee!! It's not fraud that's wasting our money, just gross negligence and incompetence!

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There probably is money being wasted, but that's not what Musk is reporting here.

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What is Musk reporting? You say he's not reporting on waste, then you say he's not reporting on fraud (only some forum posters are). So if it's not waste/incompetence or fraud/abuse, then what is it? Please enlighten us.

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I think that's the point. He's posting random *****

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No, that's more what you are doing. He is attempting to audit the waste, fraud, abuse, and theft of tax dollars. The only people who have a problem with it are people who want it to continue.

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Who specifically on this thread has indicated has a problem with it? If you are insinuating that I have a problem with it, you couldn't be more wrong. There is a ton of waste in government. What I do have a problem is saying half truths and bs in order to inflame.

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Well you sure haven't provided anything to refute him other than derailing the thread about how you read a book once. In fact, nobody has clearly stated exactly what Elon is doing wrong with any factual basis. And we've asked, multiple times, for you smarter people to explain what we're missing.

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You can tell who is old and who is really old in this thread.

I started my first job as a COBOL programmer in 1998. Thank you Y2K for my first job, working on an IBM Mainframe for a Fortune 100 Company.

We have database experts on here talking about SQL and that is fine and dandy. I am currently employed as a database designer. The COBOL program is probably not using a relational database.

We have people talking about data types and whether dates are supported in the many variations of the COBOL language. This is also missing the point.

The early COBOL systems were processing fixed width flat files, think of a txt file in Notepad. The record was defined by file width. For example the first 9 spaces would be the SSN. The next 20 spaces would be the first name. The next 8 would be birth date, the next 8 would be death date.

So it would look like this if I died today and was born in 1951

123456789Tumble Weed 0101195102182025

The COBOL program has to loop through all records in the file and read each one individually.

COBOL can use a relational db, such as DB2, or any other flavor, but these programs are probably using flat files. It is likely so antiquated that you can't just state "select * from customer where birth date < '01/01/1900'".

Elon isn't doing anything wrong. He has the technical understanding to process the data that he sees.

The cool thing is that Elon is showing all of us the problems in real time.

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Good excuse for the Govt to get off mainframes and into 2025. I am not sure the cloud platforms like AWS, GCP, Azure are secure enough. And depends on a company. It has to be on-prem. Rebuild the database.

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You act like mainframes are some dusty, antiquated legacy technology. They are fully capable of running very modern programming languages and databases.

If you need very large scale I/O ops it is still the case to beat. Security-wise there isn't a platform out there that can compare.

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350 years old. It gives me hope. If I live that long I may see A&M win another National Championship.

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There is likely to be some amount of over-payment fraud associated with bogus over 100 year olds. I'd be particularly suspicious of overseas retirement payments.

However, my spidey sense tells me there is likely to be some notable contingent fraud. Who uses the SSA Population data? I believe it feeds into the Census. And the Census is known to over-estimate the population of certain states. How much in the way of Federal appropriations is keyed directly or indirectly to the SSA data? What about Congressional representation. There are other reasons population rolls don't get cleaned up beyond sloth.

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The SSA Death Master File (DMF) is used by every benefits paying agency to determine eligibility. If there's a mistake in the SSA's DMF data, it doesn't only affect SSA benefits.

I work daily on a state database that is a flat file and we have to manage these issues in fun ways.

Feds have never effectively managed their bad data. Most people born after 2000 have no idea that the vast majority of government systems are flat file based.

How much in Medicare fraud is still being billed to dead people every year?

Could be a trillion dollar fraud on top of a trillion in SS benefits fraud.

Could this be be biggest part of our deficit?

Exactly my concern. He's sensationalizing it to draw attention to the layman masses. These really look like breadcrumbs to me…to much more fraud.

Maybe ancient aliens / reptilians are real and they all on social security for the time being until we figure out what to do with them?

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How much in Medicare fraud is still being billed to dead people every year?

Could be a trillion dollar fraud on top of a trillion in SS benefits fraud.

Could this be be biggest part of our deficit?

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Who might want you to think that?

I'd be very interested to hear what Warren Buffett has to say about all of the DOGE activities. I'm just a guy trying to pay attention. Something seems a little off about the world's richest man taking time out of his short life to go after civil servants. I'd rather hear all the facts before taking a 666.

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15 million over age 110.
About 100 million age 60-110.

Being conservative splitting the numbers at 110, but 15/115 = 13%

So at a minimum 13% of SSNs over age 60 are incorrectly labeled living.

Fixing this erroneous data seems like an easy cut to spending.

...and I anticipate the disillusionment when the minions realize that one manifestation of Babylon has been replaced by another one. I sit, and I watch...and I ask..."are Donald Trump and Elon Musk going to lead us to the Promised Land?" And yes, I am hopeful, but this doesn't smell right, and a a scientist and a Christian, I ask a lot of questions and test a lot of spirits.

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15 million over age 110.
About 100 million age 60-110.

Being conservative splitting the numbers at 110, but 15/115 = 13%

So at a minimum 13% of SSNs over age 60 are incorrectly labeled living.

Fixing this erroneous data seems like an easy cut to spending.

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The processing power of a 2014 Samsung phone could see how many of them are getting checks. Why not run a report? Let's look under the hood

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I'd be very interested to hear what Warren Buffett has to say about all of the DOGE activities. I'm just a guy trying to pay attention. Something seems a little off about the world's richest man taking time out of his short life to go after civil servants. I'd rather hear all the facts before taking a 666.

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He just suddenly cares so much for the great USA!!!


Yeah, it makes very little sense, unless...

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I'd be very interested to hear what Warren Buffett has to say about all of the DOGE activities. I'm just a guy trying to pay attention. Something seems a little off about the world's richest man taking time out of his short life to go after civil servants. I'd rather hear all the facts before taking a 666.

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He just suddenly cares so much for the great USA!!!


Yeah, it makes very little sense, unless...

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I think a lot of it goes back to Babylon Bee and Hunter Biden story. Liberals pissed him off and he bought Twitter. He saw all the frivolous spending there and thought if it is this bad how bad is the government.

This is a guy that has likely paid more in taxes than anyone else so he has a right to want to know where it goes just like everyone else.

There's just a lack of discernment. My father was pretty high up at USDA. 38 years. He exercised more austerity than anybody I know in the corporate world. Even when he knew that he would lose his budget the next year if he didn't spend it, he would send it back. His colleagues were the same way.

My friend at social security, a hard working Christian I've known my entire adult life, has explained that this list is bogus, and has told me why, and how everyone is about to get axed.

I have another friend at Census, also high up. Also a Christian, total data neerd who works like crazy. Also telling the same story.

Again, discernment people. We're not $36 trillion in debt because of that list. If we are, where's the real report?

It's almost like someone is saying "look over here." Why would that be?

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The most logical explanation is not fraud. The most logical explanation is fat fingering birthdays and other bad data.

Seriously, if someone were trying to defraud the government, there are better ways to fly under the radar than pretending your immortal.

Doesn't mean there aren't things that should be fixed, but a lot yall jump to fraud way too fast.

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Yippee!! It's not fraud that's wasting our money, just gross negligence and incompetence!

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There probably is money being wasted, but that's not what Musk is reporting here.

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What is Musk reporting? You say he's not reporting on waste, then you say he's not reporting on fraud (only some forum posters are). So if it's not waste/incompetence or fraud/abuse, then what is it? Please enlighten us.

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I think that's the point. He's posting random *****

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No, that's more what you are doing. He is attempting to audit the waste, fraud, abuse, and theft of tax dollars. The only people who have a problem with it are people who want it to continue.

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Who specifically on this thread has indicated has a problem with it? If you are insinuating that I have a problem with it, you couldn't be more wrong. There is a ton of waste in government. What I do have a problem is saying half truths and bs in order to inflame.

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Well you sure haven't provided anything to refute him other than derailing the thread about how you read a book once. In fact, nobody has clearly stated exactly what Elon is doing wrong with any factual basis. And we've asked, multiple times, for you smarter people to explain what we're missing.

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You can tell who is old and who is really old in this thread.

I started my first job as a COBOL programmer in 1998. Thank you Y2K for my first job, working on an IBM Mainframe for a Fortune 100 Company.

We have database experts on here talking about SQL and that is fine and dandy. I am currently employed as a database designer. The COBOL program is probably not using a relational database.

We have people talking about data types and whether dates are supported in the many variations of the COBOL language. This is also missing the point.

The early COBOL systems were processing fixed width flat files, think of a txt file in Notepad. The record was defined by file width. For example the first 9 spaces would be the SSN. The next 20 spaces would be the first name. The next 8 would be birth date, the next 8 would be death date.

So it would look like this if I died today and was born in 1951

123456789Tumble Weed 0101195102182025

The COBOL program has to loop through all records in the file and read each one individually.

COBOL can use a relational db, such as DB2, or any other flavor, but these programs are probably using flat files. It is likely so antiquated that you can't just state "select * from customer where birth date < '01/01/1900'".

Elon isn't doing anything wrong. He has the technical understanding to process the data that he sees.

The cool thing is that Elon is showing all of us the problems in real time.

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Good excuse for the Govt to get off mainframes and into 2025. I am not sure the cloud platforms like AWS, GCP, Azure are secure enough. And depends on a company. It has to be on-prem. Rebuild the database.

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One of his autistic savants probably parsed it in python and loaded it into a database in 30 minutes and then sent him a screenshot.

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We are at Stage 1 of Category 2. Investigation and adjudication takes time. It used to take decades or never but, happily, the Executive branch is moving at Trump-speed now.



https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-24-105833

The list is just one point of corruption. There are thousands of others, but it hasn't even been a month.

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15 million over age 110.
About 100 million age 60-110.

Being conservative splitting the numbers at 110, but 15/115 = 13%

So at a minimum 13% of SSNs over age 60 are incorrectly labeled living.

Fixing this erroneous data seems like an easy cut to spending.

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The processing power of a 2014 Samsung phone could see how many of them are getting checks. Why not run a report? Let's look under the hood

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Yet here we are 3 days later and not a single report, chart or tweet showing any SS benefits paid to anyone over the age of 120. Weird isn't it

Who cares? He and his leftist pals have been manipulating our government and skimming from the taxpayers for years. He can sit and stay quiet.

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The list is just one point of corruption. There are thousands of others, but it hasn't even been a month.

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That list hasn't proved anything except y'all fall for tricks like this even from the Middle Ages



Notice the pick pocket.

I agree the libs are awful, incompetent and fraudulent. And even as a conservative who makes most of you on here look like RINOs, the liberals aren't the only ones capable of using the government as their own cookie jar.

I'm old, rich, and have very thick skin, so go ahead and flame away with y'all's childish comebacks and the best one "elections have consequence"

Now, I'm going to sit back and have a good laugh at all the "proof" y'all launch at the messenger.

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That list hasn't proved anything except y'all fall for tricks like this even from the Middle Ages



Notice the pick pocket.

I agree the libs are awful, incompetent and fraudulent. And even as a conservative who makes most of you on here look like RINOs, the liberals aren't the only ones capable of using the government as their own cookie jar.

I'm old, rich, and have very thick skin, so go ahead and flame away with y'all's childish comebacks and the best one "elections have consequence"

Now, I'm going to sit back and have a good laugh at all the "proof" y'all launch at the messenger.

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Welcome to this thread, my friend.

Do you think the #resistance has disappeared? They just fired the director on Monday for being insubordinate.

Why do you seem to be ok with the government stealing from us? You're not even pretending to be moderately concerned.

Why do you assume that someone is against it when they are merely asking for folks to back up their claims?

Because I continue to read the goaltending. The numbers will come out.

Not sure why people are so impatient when we just spent four years with no clue who the actual president was. There is a ton of transparency right now. More than we've ever seen in our lifetimes.

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Because I continue to read the goaltending. The numbers will come out.

Not sure why people are so impatient when we just spent four years with no clue who the actual president was. There is a ton of transparency right now. More than we've ever seen in our lifetimes.

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Asking for proof doesn't equal goaltending.

In this day and age of fake news, everyone is skeptical. You are correct about the prior administration. And sure, there is more information coming out. But we aren't getting the full picture, which is why everyone should be questioning.

Goaltending in this scenario would be something to the effect of, "Well all of those 150 year old people earned that money."

It's ok to be skeptical. Trump taught us that in 2016.