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The list is just one point of corruption. There are thousands of others, but it hasn't even been a month.

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That list hasn't proved anything except y'all fall for tricks like this even from the Middle Ages



Notice the pick pocket.

I agree the libs are awful, incompetent and fraudulent. And even as a conservative who makes most of you on here look like RINOs, the liberals aren't the only ones capable of using the government as their own cookie jar.

I'm old, rich, and have very thick skin, so go ahead and flame away with y'all's childish comebacks and the best one "elections have consequence"

Now, I'm going to sit back and have a good laugh at all the "proof" y'all launch at the messenger.

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Welcome to this thread, my friend.

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Hope you're doing great. Couldn't resist anymore. This thread is proof people could be shown a blank piece of paper and then believe the explanation of what it means and run with it.

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Wasn't this whole date thing attributed to the programing language being in COBALT and the fact that some of the birthdates were blank?

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Yes. This is a perfect case of wrong conclusions being made out of ignorance. You have the richest man in the world, who is supposed to be a tech guy spreading misinformation either intentionally, or simply because he doesn't know how things work.

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Because I continue to read the goaltending. The numbers will come out.

Not sure why people are so impatient when we just spent four years with no clue who the actual president was. There is a ton of transparency right now. More than we've ever seen in our lifetimes.

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Asking for proof doesn't equal goaltending.

In this day and age of fake news, everyone is skeptical. You are correct about the prior administration. And sure, there is more information coming out. But we aren't getting the full picture, which is why everyone should be questioning.

Goaltending in this scenario would be something to the effect of, "Well all of those 150 year old people earned that money."

It's ok to be skeptical. Trump taught us that in 2016.

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Goaltending is pretentious indignation over DOGE exposing indicators of potentially massive fraud. The investigation phase hasn't even begun yet. DOGE is performing audits and testing system controls to detect potential fraud. This is basic work that the recently fired deadbeat Inspectors General should have been doing but did not. DOGE is also ensuring the the evidence of fraud is preserved for investigators by removing the people who had privileged access who allowed the system to be corrupted. There were no whistleblowers working at the IRS because those who did were fired during the Biden administration.

DOGE deserves praise for exposing the potential fraud and not condemnation for not being able to deep-dive into individual cases to conduct investigations. The investigations will be done by the new IG for the agencies or the FBI (when it gets put right-side up) and the prosecutions will be handled by DoJ.

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15 million over age 110.
About 100 million age 60-110.

Being conservative splitting the numbers at 110, but 15/115 = 13%

So at a minimum 13% of SSNs over age 60 are incorrectly labeled living.

Fixing this erroneous data seems like an easy cut to spending.

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The processing power of a 2014 Samsung phone could see how many of them are getting checks. Why not run a report? Let's look under the hood

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They already have in 2023 no less.

The answer is 44,000

Numberholders Age 100 or Older Who Did Not Have Death Information on the Numident

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Do you think the #resistance has disappeared? They just fired the director on Monday for being insubordinate.

Why do you seem to be ok with the government stealing from us? You're not even pretending to be moderately concerned.

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I'm not okay with the government stealing from us or with people stealing from the government.

If DOGE has found evidence that SS is being paid out to dead people, great! Turn that info over to the FBI to investigate and DoJ to prosecute. All for that!!

If DOGE has found evidence that funds authorized by Congress have been illegally diverted, that needs to be investigated and prosecuted. I'm all for that! Won't hear a single complaint from me about that.

What I am raising questions about (and you evidently view as me being "okay with money being stolen"), is the way the "evidence" of alleged fraud is being disseminated to the public and characterized as something it is not.

The "evidence" in this thread just happens to be a prime example of that.

A chart showing number of SSN from a government database grouped by date of birth entered into the database is not evidence of anything without knowing a ton more information like: (1) was anything paid to these people after their death, (2) how is this data used? Is this an active database that is used to send out SS checks or is this just a database used to track SSNs that have been issued?, (3) is there some other means of validating the data being used by the Fed gov (I.e is there an "active" vs "inactive" field, (4) is there some explanation for why birthdate field may be inaccurate ….questions like that.

Instead Elon just tweets the chart and makes a comment about vampires receiving SS benefits which seems to me to be pretty misleading and makes me question the motives with all of this.

I obviously care about this precisely because I am NOT okay with government money being stolen so I am interested in the finding and have tried to research several of the claims made by the DOGE team (or others citing DOGE team data) but usually end up pretty disappointed.

- Claims that Chelsea Clinton stole $83 million from US government - looked into it and $83 million was the gross receipts for Clinton Foundation (which received a total of $17k from Federal Govt and about $300k from other non profits that either received some government funds - generally less than 1% of their gross receipts or received funds from other non-profits up the chain). All of that is drop in the bucket compared to what FedGov has paid out to Tesla/Space X.

- claims that $50 mil went to Hamas for condoms that they used to make bombs. Turns out that $50 mil went to "Gaza" in Mozambique (Africa) for AIDS treatment and prevention.

- claims that Biden paid Reuters $9mil to provide fake news. Turns out it was Trump's 2018 Dept of Defense that paid a subsidiary of the Reuters family that provides information services related to a simulated cyber attack to help DoD combat threats from "social engineering attacks."

And now these claims the 200 year olds are receiving SS checks which are not at all supported by the evidence provided.

Sorry for not just taking whatever Musk or Trump says as fact and instead trying to figure out what they are basing their claims on.

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Charpie said:

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Wasn't this whole date thing attributed to the programing language being in COBALT and the fact that some of the birthdates were blank?

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Yes. This is a perfect case of wrong conclusions being made out of ignorance. You have the richest man in the world, who is supposed to be a tech guy spreading misinformation either intentionally, or simply because he doesn't know how things work.

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I'm willing to give him some leeway. He wants to show his value to Trump and to America so he runs with any info he might have. But you have to know what it is and how you got there.

He flat out should know better.

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Charpie said:

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Because I continue to read the goaltending. The numbers will come out.

Not sure why people are so impatient when we just spent four years with no clue who the actual president was. There is a ton of transparency right now. More than we've ever seen in our lifetimes.

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Asking for proof doesn't equal goaltending.

In this day and age of fake news, everyone is skeptical. You are correct about the prior administration. And sure, there is more information coming out. But we aren't getting the full picture, which is why everyone should be questioning.

Goaltending in this scenario would be something to the effect of, "Well all of those 150 year old people earned that money."

It's ok to be skeptical. Trump taught us that in 2016.

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Goaltending is pretentious indignation over DOGE exposing indicators of potentially massive fraud. The investigation phase hasn't even begun yet. DOGE is performing audits and testing system controls to detect potential fraud. This is basic work that the recently fired deadbeat Inspectors General should have been doing but did not. DOGE is also ensuring the the evidence of fraud is preserved for investigators by removing the people who had privileged access who allowed the system to be corrupted. There were no whistleblowers working at the IRS because those who did were fired during the Biden administration.

DOGE deserves praise for exposing the potential fraud and not condemnation for not being able to deep-dive into individual cases to conduct investigations. The investigations will be done by the new IG for the agencies or the FBI (when it gets put right-side up) and the prosecutions will be handled by DoJ.

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Great! 100% support this. Let's do it.

But maybe until we get there, could we have Elon and the President cool it with trumpeting the findings as smoking gun proof of nefarious activity? Or maybe since we can't control them, at least let's not bring their mischaracterizations here.

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15 million over age 110.
About 100 million age 60-110.

Being conservative splitting the numbers at 110, but 15/115 = 13%

So at a minimum 13% of SSNs over age 60 are incorrectly labeled living.

Fixing this erroneous data seems like an easy cut to spending.

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The processing power of a 2014 Samsung phone could see how many of them are getting checks. Why not run a report? Let's look under the hood

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They already have in 2023 no less.

The answer is 44,000

Numberholders Age 100 or Older Who Did Not Have Death Information on the Numident

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I read that report, and it makes the info this week look like a two year old nothingburger.

unmade bed said:

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Great! 100% support this. Let's do it.

But maybe until we get there, could we have Elon and the President cool it with trumpeting the findings as smoking gun proof of nefarious activity? Or maybe since we can't control them, at least let's not bring their mischaracterizations here.

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Sunlight is the greatest disinfectant. They're shining bright lights on things we've never been allowed to see. People should want to know the truth.

They're showing us the data, not making the conclusions for us. There is nothing at all wrong with what they're doing. Unless you've got something to hide.

Who is cashing those checks?

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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unmade bed said:

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Great! 100% support this. Let's do it.

But maybe until we get there, could we have Elon and the President cool it with trumpeting the findings as smoking gun proof of nefarious activity? Or maybe since we can't control them, at least let's not bring their mischaracterizations here.

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Sunlight is the greatest disinfectant. They're shining bright lights on things we've never been allowed to see. People should want to know the truth.

They're showing us the data, not making the conclusions for us. There is nothing at all wrong with what they're doing. Unless you've got something to hide.

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Conclusions aren't necessary but a contextualized explanation would go a long way towards avoiding people making up their own stories.



Unless that's the goal.

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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unmade bed said:

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Great! 100% support this. Let's do it.

But maybe until we get there, could we have Elon and the President cool it with trumpeting the findings as smoking gun proof of nefarious activity? Or maybe since we can't control them, at least let's not bring their mischaracterizations here.

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Sunlight is the greatest disinfectant. They're shining bright lights on things we've never been allowed to see. People should want to know the truth.

They're showing us the data, not making the conclusions for us. There is nothing at all wrong with what they're doing. Unless you've got something to hide.

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Conclusions aren't necessary but a contextualized explanation would go a long way towards avoiding people making up their own stories.



Unless that's the goal.

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How many weeks has the Trump admin been on the job?

You think full scope reports of all the things DOGE is working on just pop up overnight? It's been literally one month since Trump took office. Say it with me again. It's only been ONE month.

I promise.. you will get your transparency. But I have a feeling you're not going to like it.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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unmade bed said:

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Great! 100% support this. Let's do it.

But maybe until we get there, could we have Elon and the President cool it with trumpeting the findings as smoking gun proof of nefarious activity? Or maybe since we can't control them, at least let's not bring their mischaracterizations here.

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Sunlight is the greatest disinfectant. They're shining bright lights on things we've never been allowed to see. People should want to know the truth.

They're showing us the data, not making the conclusions for us. There is nothing at all wrong with what they're doing. Unless you've got something to hide.

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They're not making conclusions????

Here is the President of the United States just out right lying about this data, drawing the conclusion that this data reflects people that are "on Social Security" while a room full of people just lap up the lies with giggles and applause:

President Trump just exposed Social Security as a massive fraud with people who are over 300 years old receiving checks: pic.twitter.com/b36Na75QKy

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) February 20, 2025

unmade bed said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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unmade bed said:

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Great! 100% support this. Let's do it.

But maybe until we get there, could we have Elon and the President cool it with trumpeting the findings as smoking gun proof of nefarious activity? Or maybe since we can't control them, at least let's not bring their mischaracterizations here.

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Sunlight is the greatest disinfectant. They're shining bright lights on things we've never been allowed to see. People should want to know the truth.

They're showing us the data, not making the conclusions for us. There is nothing at all wrong with what they're doing. Unless you've got something to hide.

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They're not making conclusions????

Here is the President of the United States just out right lying about this data, drawing the conclusion that this data reflects people that are "on Social Security" while a room full of people just lap up the lies with giggles and applause:

President Trump just exposed Social Security as a massive fraud with people who are over 300 years old receiving checks: pic.twitter.com/b36Na75QKy

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) February 20, 2025

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It's perfectly fair to draw a conclusion that fraud is present without making the claim that fraud has been proven in specific case to a legal standard of guilt.

When Trump says "on Social Security" he is technically correct but people infer the "on Social Security" means receiving benefit checks. It is absolutely true that there are millions of active, i.e. the "Dead" field set to "False," SSNs representing people in the SSA database .

Those millions of records are erroneous which is an indicator of "potential fraud." The investigations that follow will determine whether those records are merely erroneous (incompetence by itself) or fraudulent (being used to collect benefits or mask the identity of illegal aliens in the labor force).

DOGE is not investigating, they are auditing. Detecting evidence of potential fraud is exactly what an audit produces. The FBI will do the investigations and and could either receive checks or be credited with tax receipts. The Attorney General will prosecute the criminal cases referred by the FBI.

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That's not the way COBOL works, from what I understand. It allows for blank values like that.I mean, it's COBOL

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That's why they should have used FORTRAN instead. [and with WATFOUR & WATFIVE]

She may be 250 years old, but she has the body of a 190 year old.

It's a "Constitutional Crises!"

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She may be 250 years old, but she has the body of a 190 year old.

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Ulysses90 said:

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unmade bed said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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unmade bed said:

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Great! 100% support this. Let's do it.

But maybe until we get there, could we have Elon and the President cool it with trumpeting the findings as smoking gun proof of nefarious activity? Or maybe since we can't control them, at least let's not bring their mischaracterizations here.

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Sunlight is the greatest disinfectant. They're shining bright lights on things we've never been allowed to see. People should want to know the truth.

They're showing us the data, not making the conclusions for us. There is nothing at all wrong with what they're doing. Unless you've got something to hide.

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They're not making conclusions????

Here is the President of the United States just out right lying about this data, drawing the conclusion that this data reflects people that are "on Social Security" while a room full of people just lap up the lies with giggles and applause:

President Trump just exposed Social Security as a massive fraud with people who are over 300 years old receiving checks: pic.twitter.com/b36Na75QKy

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) February 20, 2025

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It's perfectly fair to draw a conclusion that fraud is present without making the claim that fraud has been proven in specific case to a legal standard of guilt.

When Trump says "on Social Security" he is technically correct but people infer the "on Social Security" means receiving benefit checks. It is absolutely true that there are millions of active, i.e. the "Dead" field set to "False," SSNs representing people in the SSA database .

Those millions of records are erroneous which is an indicator of "potential fraud." The investigations that follow will determine whether those records are merely erroneous (incompetence by itself) or fraudulent (being used to collect benefits or mask the identity of illegal aliens in the labor force).

DOGE is not investigating, they are auditing. Detecting evidence of potential fraud is exactly what an audit produces. The FBI will do the investigations and and could either receive checks or be credited with tax receipts. The Attorney General will prosecute the criminal cases referred by the FBI.

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That's nice that you believe that, and would be even nicer if it were true. The employees at social security sign agreements every year regarding data security, and what they may and may not do with it. One employee (Leland Dudek) decided to violate his agreement and to release this data. He was put on unpaid leave (likely to be fired). DOGE then instructed the head of social security to bring him back to work. She refused because he had committed a serious violation of his secrecy commitment. She was overruled, and resigned. This employee is now the acting chief, until Trump's nominee is confirmed. Rewarding people who violate confidentiality agreements is a very North Korean way of doing things. I don't know if Dudek is a bad actor or not; but he's now got 58,000 employees under him, and he got there by violating his agreement.

As you sit here and cheerlead, exercise some discernment. Pray for discernment. Long for truth. Seek it. Try not to be impressed by a cute color chart that was drawn by a new 23 year old HR employee with a BA in Government. Mindless platitudes and charts are on the walls of every big company. So what.

Can you post receipts backing that all up?

My son in law gave a good explanation of what went on here….

• Computer system (COBOL) being used couldn't handle year data right
• SS was warned years ago and said it was too expensive to fix
• Here we are with this mess because they wouldn't fix it years ago
• Between these errors and duplicate #s there are people alive in the system that shouldn't be and some fraud, but not what it appears on the surface
• It illustrates "kicking the can down the road" incompetence

94chem said:

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Ulysses90 said:

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unmade bed said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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unmade bed said:

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Great! 100% support this. Let's do it.

But maybe until we get there, could we have Elon and the President cool it with trumpeting the findings as smoking gun proof of nefarious activity? Or maybe since we can't control them, at least let's not bring their mischaracterizations here.

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Sunlight is the greatest disinfectant. They're shining bright lights on things we've never been allowed to see. People should want to know the truth.

They're showing us the data, not making the conclusions for us. There is nothing at all wrong with what they're doing. Unless you've got something to hide.

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They're not making conclusions????

Here is the President of the United States just out right lying about this data, drawing the conclusion that this data reflects people that are "on Social Security" while a room full of people just lap up the lies with giggles and applause:

President Trump just exposed Social Security as a massive fraud with people who are over 300 years old receiving checks: pic.twitter.com/b36Na75QKy

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) February 20, 2025

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It's perfectly fair to draw a conclusion that fraud is present without making the claim that fraud has been proven in specific case to a legal standard of guilt.

When Trump says "on Social Security" he is technically correct but people infer the "on Social Security" means receiving benefit checks. It is absolutely true that there are millions of active, i.e. the "Dead" field set to "False," SSNs representing people in the SSA database .

Those millions of records are erroneous which is an indicator of "potential fraud." The investigations that follow will determine whether those records are merely erroneous (incompetence by itself) or fraudulent (being used to collect benefits or mask the identity of illegal aliens in the labor force).

DOGE is not investigating, they are auditing. Detecting evidence of potential fraud is exactly what an audit produces. The FBI will do the investigations and and could either receive checks or be credited with tax receipts. The Attorney General will prosecute the criminal cases referred by the FBI.

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That's nice that you believe that, and would be even nicer if it were true. The employees at social security sign agreements every year regarding data security, and what they may and may not do with it. One employee (Leland Dudek) decided to violate his agreement and to release this data. He was put on unpaid leave (likely to be fired). DOGE then instructed the head of social security to bring him back to work. She refused because he had committed a serious violation of his secrecy commitment. She was overruled, and resigned. This employee is now the acting chief, until Trump's nominee is confirmed. Rewarding people who violate confidentiality agreements is a very North Korean way of doing things. I don't know if Dudek is a bad actor or not; but he's now got 58,000 employees under him, and he got there by violating his agreement.

As you sit here and cheerlead, exercise some discernment. Pray for discernment. Long for truth. Seek it. Try not to be impressed by a cute color chart that was drawn by a new 23 year old HR employee with a BA in Government. Mindless platitudes and charts are on the walls of every big company. So what.

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WTF cares about some ahole named Leland? Find the fraud and stop the checks

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The fact that EVERY SINGLE LIBERAL on social media is goaltending for these institutions when, at a very minimum, this is jaw-dropping incompetence of the highest order, is WILD.

So much potential or apparent fraud and waste being uncovered by DOGE, and EVERY SINGLE LIBERAL is angry that these efforts are even being made.

It just further shows how they reflexively adopt the opposite stances or positions, no matter what. It's a warped hate-fueled religion.

If Obama had a group doing the exact same thing, they would view him as a hero. Libs are horrible people.

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Every conservative on here would be cheering Obama on if he were doing this...not fighting tooth and nail against it.

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Can you post receipts backing that all up?

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Here's one on many available stories on Dudek. As the story implies, and I will confirm, he was fired for violating the equivalent of an NDA. Executives love this stuff, amirite?

The Newly Elevated Acting Head of Social Security Covertly Helped DOGE

samurai_science said:

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94chem said:

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Ulysses90 said:

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unmade bed said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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unmade bed said:

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Great! 100% support this. Let's do it.

But maybe until we get there, could we have Elon and the President cool it with trumpeting the findings as smoking gun proof of nefarious activity? Or maybe since we can't control them, at least let's not bring their mischaracterizations here.

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Sunlight is the greatest disinfectant. They're shining bright lights on things we've never been allowed to see. People should want to know the truth.

They're showing us the data, not making the conclusions for us. There is nothing at all wrong with what they're doing. Unless you've got something to hide.

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They're not making conclusions????

Here is the President of the United States just out right lying about this data, drawing the conclusion that this data reflects people that are "on Social Security" while a room full of people just lap up the lies with giggles and applause:

President Trump just exposed Social Security as a massive fraud with people who are over 300 years old receiving checks: pic.twitter.com/b36Na75QKy

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) February 20, 2025

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It's perfectly fair to draw a conclusion that fraud is present without making the claim that fraud has been proven in specific case to a legal standard of guilt.

When Trump says "on Social Security" he is technically correct but people infer the "on Social Security" means receiving benefit checks. It is absolutely true that there are millions of active, i.e. the "Dead" field set to "False," SSNs representing people in the SSA database .

Those millions of records are erroneous which is an indicator of "potential fraud." The investigations that follow will determine whether those records are merely erroneous (incompetence by itself) or fraudulent (being used to collect benefits or mask the identity of illegal aliens in the labor force).

DOGE is not investigating, they are auditing. Detecting evidence of potential fraud is exactly what an audit produces. The FBI will do the investigations and and could either receive checks or be credited with tax receipts. The Attorney General will prosecute the criminal cases referred by the FBI.

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That's nice that you believe that, and would be even nicer if it were true. The employees at social security sign agreements every year regarding data security, and what they may and may not do with it. One employee (Leland Dudek) decided to violate his agreement and to release this data. He was put on unpaid leave (likely to be fired). DOGE then instructed the head of social security to bring him back to work. She refused because he had committed a serious violation of his secrecy commitment. She was overruled, and resigned. This employee is now the acting chief, until Trump's nominee is confirmed. Rewarding people who violate confidentiality agreements is a very North Korean way of doing things. I don't know if Dudek is a bad actor or not; but he's now got 58,000 employees under him, and he got there by violating his agreement.

As you sit here and cheerlead, exercise some discernment. Pray for discernment. Long for truth. Seek it. Try not to be impressed by a cute color chart that was drawn by a new 23 year old HR employee with a BA in Government. Mindless platitudes and charts are on the walls of every big company. So what.

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WTF cares about some ahole named Leland? Find the fraud and stop the checks

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Well, shouldn't you? He's the acting chief of SS.

B-1 83 said:

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My son in law gave a good explanation of what went on here….

• Computer system (COBOL) being used couldn't handle year data right
• SS was warned years ago and said it was too expensive to fix
• Here we are with this mess because they wouldn't fix it years ago
• Between these errors and duplicate #s there are people alive in the system that shouldn't be and some fraud, but not what it appears on the surface
• It illustrates "kicking the can down the road" incompetence

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What would have the bill to fix? And would it have been approved with all the politics on spending.

US infrastructure sucks. Everything is outdated with patches while the rest of the world started later with the newest technology. It'll be our downfall

You libs have completely lost the plot (and America thank God).

Whining about a whistleblower who kept the receipts and tried to shut down fraud, who got illegally retaliated against and was about to be fired?

You're exactly the reason we want this **** burned to the ground. "It's not proof of fraud!!" As if we haven't seen hundreds of examples of fraud, damn near uniquely Democrat, this month. We know how the game is played.

If it's clean, it'll check out. In the meantime SHUT IT DOWN. And jail those who impede. We're broke and the bank run is over.

The Census costs $14 billion. It would be crazy for Congress not to approve a similar budget to fix the social security system and get everyone to reregister. Democrats will vote against it not just because of fraud but because Trump would be in control of the reregister and states might use it to bring lawsuits against the federal government on the 2020 census.

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Heineken-Ashi said:

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Can you post receipts backing that all up?

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Here's one on many available stories on Dudek. As the story implies, and I will confirm, he was fired for violating the equivalent of an NDA. Executives love this stuff, amirite?

The Newly Elevated Acting Head of Social Security Covertly Helped DOGE

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I applaud anyone willing to bring to light the fraud and corruption that has bankrupted this nation. When exposing fraud is considered a fireable offense, I side with the one exposing the fraud.

Heineken-Ashi said:

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94chem said:

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Heineken-Ashi said:

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Can you post receipts backing that all up?

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Here's one on many available stories on Dudek. As the story implies, and I will confirm, he was fired for violating the equivalent of an NDA. Executives love this stuff, amirite?

The Newly Elevated Acting Head of Social Security Covertly Helped DOGE

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I applaud anyone willing to bring to light the fraud and corruption that has bankrupted this nation. When exposing fraud is considered a fireable offense, I side with the one exposing the fraud.

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Fine, but Dudek himself, if you would read the article, admitted that this list of dead people likely contains very little in the way of fraudulent payments.

Also, if you would simply read, an audit of payments between 2015 and 2022 uncovered about 1% in erroneous payments. Bear in mind, that total (~$70 billion) is the total deviation, including all overpayments and underpayments.

Again, if you would read the links earlier in this thread, the audit from 2 years ago already uncovered these "death" errors, conceded that they likely had no effect on payments, but recommended that SS fix the system anyway. SS declined, citing a $5 - $8M price tag.

I'm not dismissing fraud, which may be occurring to the tune of several billion dollars per year, nor am I against proper audits, but putting a mid-level "whistle-blower" whom senior executives had never heard of in charge of a 58,000 person company is insane. It just is.

And, what fraud did he expose?

94chem said:

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Heineken-Ashi said:

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94chem said:

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Heineken-Ashi said:

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Can you post receipts backing that all up?

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Here's one on many available stories on Dudek. As the story implies, and I will confirm, he was fired for violating the equivalent of an NDA. Executives love this stuff, amirite?

The Newly Elevated Acting Head of Social Security Covertly Helped DOGE

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I applaud anyone willing to bring to light the fraud and corruption that has bankrupted this nation. When exposing fraud is considered a fireable offense, I side with the one exposing the fraud.

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Fine, but Dudek himself, if you would read the article, admitted that this list of dead people likely contains very little in the way of fraudulent payments.

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Why are you against getting to the bottom of malfeasance and inneficiency, and why do you think the President doesn't have the right to do so?

Ellis Wyatt said:

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94chem said:

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Heineken-Ashi said:

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94chem said:

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Heineken-Ashi said:

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Can you post receipts backing that all up?

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Here's one on many available stories on Dudek. As the story implies, and I will confirm, he was fired for violating the equivalent of an NDA. Executives love this stuff, amirite?

The Newly Elevated Acting Head of Social Security Covertly Helped DOGE

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I applaud anyone willing to bring to light the fraud and corruption that has bankrupted this nation. When exposing fraud is considered a fireable offense, I side with the one exposing the fraud.

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Fine, but Dudek himself, if you would read the article, admitted that this list of dead people likely contains very little in the way of fraudulent payments.

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Why are you against getting to the bottom of malfeasance and inneficiency, and why do you think the President doesn't have the right to do so?

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Asked and answered if you'd just read...

ABATTBQ11 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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94chem said:

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ud is considered a fireable offense, I side with the one exposing the fraud.

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Fine, but Dudek himself, if you would read the article, admitted that this list of dead people likely contains very little in the way of fraudulent payments.

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Why are you against getting to the bottom of malfeasance and inneficiency, and why do you think the President doesn't have the right to do so?

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Asked and answered if you'd just read...

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You're protesting too much.