Yup. And if we really , truly gave a **** about Ukraine, we'd put boots on the ground. Ukraine let themselves be played. Electing Zelensky and trying to join Nato was, in hindsight, a devastating decision.newbie11 said:
If trump can mediate an end in which the war ceases and Russia gets a little land to save the rest of Ukrainian men and women from being killed, Zelenskyy and the world ought to see that as a win at this point.
Ukraine isn't going to win the war, I don't care how much money we send them. Putin is crazy and won't quit so anything remotely reasonable should be offered to end it.
If Zelenskyy thinks, Ukraine can somehow win without nato putting boots on the ground, he's as crazy as Putin.
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There is no good side in this war. Putin is a thug everyone knows that. For anyone to think Zelensky is a warrior for democracy has not done any research beyond watching CNN or MSNBC. He has used the war to call for martial law and suspend any civil liberties, he has jailed his political opposition, and he has become rich off skimming foreign aid. If anyone claims to be interested in democracy the only logical answer for you is to want the US to end aid to Ukraine and force both countries to end the war with a deal neither will like.
deddog said:Yup. And if we really , truly gave a **** about Ukraine, we'd put boots on the ground. Ukraine let themselves be played. Electing Zelensky and trying to join Nato was, in hindsight, a devastating decision.newbie11 said:
If trump can mediate an end in which the war ceases and Russia gets a little land to save the rest of Ukrainian men and women from being killed, Zelenskyy and the world ought to see that as a win at this point.
Ukraine isn't going to win the war, I don't care how much money we send them. Putin is crazy and won't quit so anything remotely reasonable should be offered to end it.
If Zelenskyy thinks, Ukraine can somehow win without nato putting boots on the ground, he's as crazy as Putin.
None of that is why Russia invaded. They simply wanted Ukraine to be a part of Russia.
What did he expect Zelensky only paid off the Biden mafia. Biden is gone and so is the support.
Bromance is over.
But, wait, what is the goal again?
🇺🇦🇺🇸🚨‼️ Trump says he is forcing zelensky to hold elections, not Russia because his approval rating is down to 4%.
— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) February 18, 2025
He also says Russia could destroy Kiev if they wanted to, but they chose not to. pic.twitter.com/3J2WNr3rgV
But, wait, what is the goal again?
Congress Warns Trump's Attempts To End War In Ukraine Could Result In End Of War In Ukraine https://t.co/Z6u3ZQQVjg pic.twitter.com/Lf5WAVUaTM
— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) February 18, 2025
4% approval rating. You will literally believe anything you see on twitter
Russia could also literally destroy New York if they wanted to. And?
Russia could also literally destroy New York if they wanted to. And?
Well, that's because you can't take their honor in a vacuum. They're like a boxer who managed to survive the first round and has subsequently been held up as an unconscious punching bag by American weapons and taxpayers. Their young men's honor: our foisting. They'd not be in this position but for Putin and Biden*.Eliminatus said:It is their prerogative and exactly what my point was. You then just extended the goal posts here.Get Off My Lawn said:The best men die first. The cowards and grifters and politicians stay home and Jody all the ladies. History is replete with this horror.Eliminatus said:And yet they are still fighting hard while being grossly outgunned and outmanned at nearly every minute of this war. They have destroyed the very army that was built to dominate Europe and kept our parents awake at night and they did it while everyone expected them to lose in mere days. They did it while taking gruesome losses themselves to boot and still fight for their land and families that die every night in Russian strikes.Get Off My Lawn said:
I still expect you overestimate Ukrainian support for the current situation. 2 years without a material change in battle lines. Just more dead and maimed sons. What's best for Ukraine: an unending meat grinder or officially losing land that's already been captured?
Why do you discount all of that? That's the simplest check for resolve in my book.
But let's not fall for a sunk cost fallacy. None of us cared much about Ukraine's borders in 1991 or 2008 or even in 2012. Ukrainians may have: and that's their prerogative, but i still want no part in funding the perpetuation of a European death machine when it can end with a redrawing of lines that I don't care about. Let Zelensky appeal to Europe.
What "we" do to their young men with the complicity of Zelensky sickens me. I have no personal desire to see Russia collapse. I don't see how that improves the world. Or keeps nuclear weapon stockpiles properly protected and maintained.
With its oil, minerals, thriving agriculture sector, ……….Teslag said:deddog said:Yup. And if we really , truly gave a **** about Ukraine, we'd put boots on the ground. Ukraine let themselves be played. Electing Zelensky and trying to join Nato was, in hindsight, a devastating decision.newbie11 said:
If trump can mediate an end in which the war ceases and Russia gets a little land to save the rest of Ukrainian men and women from being killed, Zelenskyy and the world ought to see that as a win at this point.
Ukraine isn't going to win the war, I don't care how much money we send them. Putin is crazy and won't quit so anything remotely reasonable should be offered to end it.
If Zelenskyy thinks, Ukraine can somehow win without nato putting boots on the ground, he's as crazy as Putin.
None of that is why Russia invaded. They simply wanted Ukraine to be a part of Russia.
He's going to end up with a chunk of it, but he wanted it all. Instead, he's going to end up with a larger, better armed NATO, a more precarious northern fleet station, a freshly western armed Ukraine, 300,000 fewer laborers, a decimated army, ………. Quite a victory over Nazis and Biolabs. Yep, the master strategist achieved all his goals.
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
cue in the receipts
"All the gods, all the heavens, all the hells are within you". Joseph Campbell
deddog said:I completely understand Zelensky's point of view.Teslag said:deddog said:Wanting to not fund Ukraine's war, doesn't mean you cheer for Russia.Hullabaloonatic said:I don't understand why you're celebrating the downfall of an ally. Truly baffling times we're in where Republicans cheer for Russia.45-70Ag said:🚨BREAKING: Zelenskyy just said "He no longer feels supported by the US."
— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) February 18, 2025
If he truly wants the Ukrainian government to be involved in negotiations, have an open election that's monitored and whoever wins can represent Ukraine.
This clown is mad his free ride is over with president dementia.
This kind of specious logic, and corrupt politicians sending money to a corrupt Ukraine regime is exactly why Trump was elected.
We send billons to Ukraine, but $700 dollars to Americans whose houses were burnt down.
Insanity.
One can easily be against funding this war by while also understanding why someone may not want to surrender their nation.
He's better off courting Europe. The US gravy train is ending.
And Europe needs to get off its ass and turn this thing off…
Europe has wanted to prolong it because certain leaders and power figures there were also pocketing our tax dollars..
newbie11 said:ThisW said:
does Zelenskyy want the war to end?
it doesn't seem like it
I'm going to go with the "Trump speak" easiest answer here which is that he meant Zelensky is underwater in actual approval by 4 percent. Though, it's tough to know because Ukraine doesn't have a free press, of course, so this is interpreting Trump's language and the likelihood of intelligence reports he gets.Teslag said:
4% approval rating. You will literally believe anything you see on twitter
The 'truth' is that there are a plethora of reports of disapproval among Ukrainians of Zelensky, and have for years.
Can I get at least 200k before the money well is turned off. I'll hang a Ukraine flag if that helpsFireAg said:deddog said:I completely understand Zelensky's point of view.Teslag said:deddog said:Wanting to not fund Ukraine's war, doesn't mean you cheer for Russia.Hullabaloonatic said:I don't understand why you're celebrating the downfall of an ally. Truly baffling times we're in where Republicans cheer for Russia.45-70Ag said:🚨BREAKING: Zelenskyy just said "He no longer feels supported by the US."
— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) February 18, 2025
If he truly wants the Ukrainian government to be involved in negotiations, have an open election that's monitored and whoever wins can represent Ukraine.
This clown is mad his free ride is over with president dementia.
This kind of specious logic, and corrupt politicians sending money to a corrupt Ukraine regime is exactly why Trump was elected.
We send billons to Ukraine, but $700 dollars to Americans whose houses were burnt down.
Insanity.
One can easily be against funding this war by while also understanding why someone may not want to surrender their nation.
He's better off courting Europe. The US gravy train is ending.
And Europe needs to get off its ass and turn this thing off…
Europe has wanted to prolong it because certain leaders and power figures there were also pocketing our tax dollars..
"All the gods, all the heavens, all the hells are within you". Joseph Campbell
The Ukes were invaded after making a deal to give up their nukes in the 90's. Russia at that time was interested in joining NATO and the west. True story.FIDO95 said:
I do have some sympathy for the situation Zelenski is in. NATO and the West did promise to protect Ukraine from Russian aggression when they agreed to give up their nukes. You can make a valid argument on whether or not we have done enough to fulfill the obligation we gave them.
Additionally, a peace agreement was on the table early in the war. Biden and company trashed it so they could cash in with their military industrial complex buddies. Russia deserves a vast majority of the blame this debacle, but we shouldn't pretend to be innocent as the fresh snow.
In the end, there will be no winners in this mess. Only farmlands full of corpses and daisies.
But Clinton said no. Then pissed in Russia's wheaties. THAT is where the mistake was made.If that moron had given Russia the chance to join the West it changes everything:
Ukraine and Russia both become NATO and guess what...Never is even a war.
China would be strategically screwed.
Iran isolated.
The world at peace- well at least better off than now.
History in time will show this to be the biggest blunder of the last half of the 20th C
Also don't forget, it was Clinton that put us in bed with China
"All the gods, all the heavens, all the hells are within you". Joseph Campbell
nortex97 said:I'm going to go with the "Trump speak" easiest answer here which is that he meant Zelensky is underwater in actual approval by 4 percent. Though, it's tough to know because Ukraine doesn't have a free press, of course, so this is interpreting Trump's language and the likelihood of intelligence reports he gets.Teslag said:
4% approval rating. You will literally believe anything you see on twitter
The 'truth' is that there are a plethora of reports of disapproval among Ukrainians of Zelensky, and have for years.
It would have been easier to type "I too believe it's bull****"
And I just don't see how so many on F16 have completely forgotten what it means to protect your life, family, and culture. Russia is hell bent on eradicating the Ukrainian people from the face of the earth. They have been killing civilians deliberately since the first minutes of the war. Your average Uke right now doesn't give a damn about our corrupt politicians and their games. They care that Russia has killed and wounded them and theirs while smashing their cities and taking their land and we have the gall to say they are dumb for fighting back.Get Off My Lawn said:Well, that's because you can't take their honor in a vacuum. They're like a boxer who managed to survive the first round and has subsequently been held up as an unconscious punching bag by American weapons and taxpayers. Their young men's honor: our foisting. They'd not be in this position but for Putin and Biden*.Eliminatus said:It is their prerogative and exactly what my point was. You then just extended the goal posts here.Get Off My Lawn said:The best men die first. The cowards and grifters and politicians stay home and Jody all the ladies. History is replete with this horror.Eliminatus said:And yet they are still fighting hard while being grossly outgunned and outmanned at nearly every minute of this war. They have destroyed the very army that was built to dominate Europe and kept our parents awake at night and they did it while everyone expected them to lose in mere days. They did it while taking gruesome losses themselves to boot and still fight for their land and families that die every night in Russian strikes.Get Off My Lawn said:
I still expect you overestimate Ukrainian support for the current situation. 2 years without a material change in battle lines. Just more dead and maimed sons. What's best for Ukraine: an unending meat grinder or officially losing land that's already been captured?
Why do you discount all of that? That's the simplest check for resolve in my book.
But let's not fall for a sunk cost fallacy. None of us cared much about Ukraine's borders in 1991 or 2008 or even in 2012. Ukrainians may have: and that's their prerogative, but i still want no part in funding the perpetuation of a European death machine when it can end with a redrawing of lines that I don't care about. Let Zelensky appeal to Europe.
What "we" do to their young men with the complicity of Zelensky sickens me. I have no personal desire to see Russia collapse. I don't see how that improves the world. Or keeps nuclear weapon stockpiles properly protected and maintained.
This whole sub has gotten soft or lost the plot I swear. Underneath all the political maneuvering and corruption here people, forget a very real and brutal invasion is still happening. And no one, EVER, wants to be in the path of a Russian army on the warpath. Nothing remotely close to civilized conduct occurs when they do. Proven time and time again and confirmed again in this war.
It is in our blood to resist the oppressor and yet we criticize those who do it too. And they actually have it far worse than we ever did.
But do agree they are in this position because of Putin foremost but Biden as well. I have said over and over that I don't care if people supported our aid or not. It's a fair opinion to have either way. But I will always defend the Ukes justified use of force defending their land and people even to this day.
PA24 said:
He will eventually have to leave Ukraine and go into exile. I think he is a dead man walking.
Nah. He's going to live a long life more rich than he could have ever dreamed 10 years ago. Thanks to us.
And this conflict has become the US responsibility?
Russia has been putting the sword to Ukraine since the days of Ivan the Terrible and probably further back than that. It's their war not mine. Stop wasting tax dollars on an issue that's more than 5000 miles away.
"All the gods, all the heavens, all the hells are within you". Joseph Campbell
MelvinUdall said:
And this conflict has become the US responsibility?
Yes. We, and Russia, and others agreed to ensure Ukraine's territorial integrity for giving up their nukes.
My point is that if we really , truly did give a **** about Ukraine we would have put boots on the ground.Teslag said:deddog said:Yup. And if we really , truly gave a **** about Ukraine, we'd put boots on the ground. Ukraine let themselves be played. Electing Zelensky and trying to join Nato was, in hindsight, a devastating decision.newbie11 said:
If trump can mediate an end in which the war ceases and Russia gets a little land to save the rest of Ukrainian men and women from being killed, Zelenskyy and the world ought to see that as a win at this point.
Ukraine isn't going to win the war, I don't care how much money we send them. Putin is crazy and won't quit so anything remotely reasonable should be offered to end it.
If Zelenskyy thinks, Ukraine can somehow win without nato putting boots on the ground, he's as crazy as Putin.
None of that is why Russia invaded. They simply wanted Ukraine to be a part of Russia.
We clearly don't care enough. Let someone who truly cares for Ukraine spend their money.
That isn't our problem into perpetuity.
The moral of the story is do not give up nukes.GAC06 said:MelvinUdall said:
And this conflict has become the US responsibility?
Yes. We, and Russia, and others agreed to ensure Ukraine's territorial integrity for giving up their nukes.
The intellectual, moral, and ethical decay of the MAGA movement on full display here. Lots of those who are complete slaves to the MAGA algorithm - the terminally online right.
This is not the party of Reagan for those of you who still blindly vote Republican. This is something entirely different. America's strength, resolve, and moral clarity are on the line and Donald Trump is failing miserably. The collapse of American power and influence will lead to a deterioration of quality of life - including in America. It will make wars much more likely. And it substantially increases the odds of global conflict between great powers. None of this is good if you actually think about it and are a student of history.
We are entering a much darker, dangerous, and turbulent world. Some of these trends were already happening. But instead of delaying, reversing or slowing this process down, Donald Trump is speedrunning this decline.
I never want to hear from somebody who isnt an algorithm slave again that Trump is a good negotaitor. He may be for himself but not America. He will almost certainly be standing side by side with Xi and Putin on May 9th in Moscow. Some of you may think that's so badass (this narcissist desperately wants to be just like Putin and Xi). Those that still love what America used to and should stand for will be horrified. Maybe you'll wake up then. Maybe you'll still be in denial and pretend this is still Ronald Reagan's party.
Also, for those that think Ukraine will collapse, I think you're just as wrong now as you were when you predicted this war would be over in 2 weeks. Russia is not doing well right now from a capacity to sustain their invasion and manage their economy and I think this is too much of an existential threat to Europe (particularly Germany and East) for them to ignore. America has given away a lot of political capital, and I'm still waiting for what we've gained.
This is not the party of Reagan for those of you who still blindly vote Republican. This is something entirely different. America's strength, resolve, and moral clarity are on the line and Donald Trump is failing miserably. The collapse of American power and influence will lead to a deterioration of quality of life - including in America. It will make wars much more likely. And it substantially increases the odds of global conflict between great powers. None of this is good if you actually think about it and are a student of history.
We are entering a much darker, dangerous, and turbulent world. Some of these trends were already happening. But instead of delaying, reversing or slowing this process down, Donald Trump is speedrunning this decline.
I never want to hear from somebody who isnt an algorithm slave again that Trump is a good negotaitor. He may be for himself but not America. He will almost certainly be standing side by side with Xi and Putin on May 9th in Moscow. Some of you may think that's so badass (this narcissist desperately wants to be just like Putin and Xi). Those that still love what America used to and should stand for will be horrified. Maybe you'll wake up then. Maybe you'll still be in denial and pretend this is still Ronald Reagan's party.
Also, for those that think Ukraine will collapse, I think you're just as wrong now as you were when you predicted this war would be over in 2 weeks. Russia is not doing well right now from a capacity to sustain their invasion and manage their economy and I think this is too much of an existential threat to Europe (particularly Germany and East) for them to ignore. America has given away a lot of political capital, and I'm still waiting for what we've gained.
Why put boots on the ground when we can grind them down for a small fraction of one year's defense spending spent over three years?
If we care so much, we should send our troops.Eliminatus said:And I just don't see how so many on F16 have completely forgotten what it means to protect your life, family, and culture. Russia is hell bent on eradicating the Ukrainian people from the face of the earth. They have been killing civilians deliberately since the first minutes of the war. Your average Uke right now doesn't give a damn about our corrupt politicians and their games. They care that Russia has killed and wounded them and theirs while smashing their cities and take their land and we have the gall to say they are dumb for doing so.Get Off My Lawn said:Well, that's because you can't take their honor in a vacuum. They're like a boxer who managed to survive the first round and has subsequently been held up as an unconscious punching bag by American weapons and taxpayers. Their young men's honor: our foisting. They'd not be in this position but for Putin and Biden*.Eliminatus said:It is their prerogative and exactly what my point was. You then just extended the goal posts here.Get Off My Lawn said:The best men die first. The cowards and grifters and politicians stay home and Jody all the ladies. History is replete with this horror.Eliminatus said:And yet they are still fighting hard while being grossly outgunned and outmanned at nearly every minute of this war. They have destroyed the very army that was built to dominate Europe and kept our parents awake at night and they did it while everyone expected them to lose in mere days. They did it while taking gruesome losses themselves to boot and still fight for their land and families that die every night in Russian strikes.Get Off My Lawn said:
I still expect you overestimate Ukrainian support for the current situation. 2 years without a material change in battle lines. Just more dead and maimed sons. What's best for Ukraine: an unending meat grinder or officially losing land that's already been captured?
Why do you discount all of that? That's the simplest check for resolve in my book.
But let's not fall for a sunk cost fallacy. None of us cared much about Ukraine's borders in 1991 or 2008 or even in 2012. Ukrainians may have: and that's their prerogative, but i still want no part in funding the perpetuation of a European death machine when it can end with a redrawing of lines that I don't care about. Let Zelensky appeal to Europe.
What "we" do to their young men with the complicity of Zelensky sickens me. I have no personal desire to see Russia collapse. I don't see how that improves the world. Or keeps nuclear weapon stockpiles properly protected and maintained.
This whole sub has gotten soft or lost the plot I swear. Underneath all the political maneuvering and corruption here people, forget a very real and brutal invasion is still happening. And no one, EVER, wants to be in the path of a Russian army on the warpath. Nothing remotely close to civilized conduct occurs when they do. Proven time and time again and confirmed again in this war.
It is in our blood to resist the oppressor and yet we criticize those who do it too. And they actually have it far worse than we ever did.
But do agree they are in this position because of Putin foremost but Biden as well. I have said over and over that I don't care if people supported our aid or not. It's a fair opinion to have either way. But I will always defend the Ukes justified use of force defending their land and people even to this day.
deddog said:My point is that if we really , truly did give a **** about Ukraine we would have put boots on the ground.Teslag said:deddog said:Yup. And if we really , truly gave a **** about Ukraine, we'd put boots on the ground. Ukraine let themselves be played. Electing Zelensky and trying to join Nato was, in hindsight, a devastating decision.newbie11 said:
If trump can mediate an end in which the war ceases and Russia gets a little land to save the rest of Ukrainian men and women from being killed, Zelenskyy and the world ought to see that as a win at this point.
Ukraine isn't going to win the war, I don't care how much money we send them. Putin is crazy and won't quit so anything remotely reasonable should be offered to end it.
If Zelenskyy thinks, Ukraine can somehow win without nato putting boots on the ground, he's as crazy as Putin.
None of that is why Russia invaded. They simply wanted Ukraine to be a part of Russia.
We clearly don't care enough. Let someone who truly cares for Ukraine spend their money.
If we really cared about Ukraine we wouldn't have put them in NATO after 2014 and then this war never ever happened.
I don't think Ukraine will collapse. But they are going to have to come to grips with giving up a sliver of that is heavily ethnic russian. Can't keep the grift going forever. Can't keep sending their own to death forever
We are 1000 times stronger now than we were on January 19th. And we are getting stronger by the day.
Yep, some of the post on this thread are literally bat-*hit crazy. Seem those of us on the right can also get intellectual rabies start foaming at the mouth then start spewing absurd crap.Eliminatus said:And I just don't see how so many on F16 have completely forgotten what it means to protect your life, family, and culture. Russia is hell bent on eradicating the Ukrainian people from the face of the earth. They have been killing civilians deliberately since the first minutes of the war. Your average Uke right now doesn't give a damn about our corrupt politicians and their games. They care that Russia has killed and wounded them and theirs while smashing their cities and take their land and we have the gall to say they are dumb for doing so.Get Off My Lawn said:Well, that's because you can't take their honor in a vacuum. They're like a boxer who managed to survive the first round and has subsequently been held up as an unconscious punching bag by American weapons and taxpayers. Their young men's honor: our foisting. They'd not be in this position but for Putin and Biden*.Eliminatus said:It is their prerogative and exactly what my point was. You then just extended the goal posts here.Get Off My Lawn said:The best men die first. The cowards and grifters and politicians stay home and Jody all the ladies. History is replete with this horror.Eliminatus said:And yet they are still fighting hard while being grossly outgunned and outmanned at nearly every minute of this war. They have destroyed the very army that was built to dominate Europe and kept our parents awake at night and they did it while everyone expected them to lose in mere days. They did it while taking gruesome losses themselves to boot and still fight for their land and families that die every night in Russian strikes.Get Off My Lawn said:
I still expect you overestimate Ukrainian support for the current situation. 2 years without a material change in battle lines. Just more dead and maimed sons. What's best for Ukraine: an unending meat grinder or officially losing land that's already been captured?
Why do you discount all of that? That's the simplest check for resolve in my book.
But let's not fall for a sunk cost fallacy. None of us cared much about Ukraine's borders in 1991 or 2008 or even in 2012. Ukrainians may have: and that's their prerogative, but i still want no part in funding the perpetuation of a European death machine when it can end with a redrawing of lines that I don't care about. Let Zelensky appeal to Europe.
What "we" do to their young men with the complicity of Zelensky sickens me. I have no personal desire to see Russia collapse. I don't see how that improves the world. Or keeps nuclear weapon stockpiles properly protected and maintained.
This whole sub has gotten soft or lost the plot I swear. Underneath all the political maneuvering and corruption here people, forget a very real and brutal invasion is still happening. And no one, EVER, wants to be in the path of a Russian army on the warpath. Nothing remotely close to civilized conduct occurs when they do. Proven time and time again and confirmed again in this war.
It is in our blood to resist the oppressor and yet we criticize those who do it too. And they actually have it far worse than we ever did.
But do agree they are in this position because of Putin foremost but Biden as well. I have said over and over that I don't care if people supported our aid or not. It's a fair opinion to have either way. But I will always defend the Ukes justified use of force defending their land and people even to this day.
Yes Ukraine was corrupt before the war as was Russia. But that doesn't remotely justify Russian war crimes since. It also didn't help that Biden was rotten and corrupt as well. The whole thing turned into a *hit show of epic proportions
LMAO at this:
"He will almost certainly be standing side by side with Xi and Putin on May 9th in Moscow. Some of you may think that's so badass (this narcissist desperately wants to be just like Putin and Xi)."
"He will almost certainly be standing side by side with Xi and Putin on May 9th in Moscow. Some of you may think that's so badass (this narcissist desperately wants to be just like Putin and Xi)."
Ellis Wyatt said:I want the best for my country. I don't see how that involves the taxpayers of another country.Teslag said:
The gall of that guy to want what's best for his country that's being invaded
Biden is gone. Maybe he can call Hunter. Or John Kerry. Or Hussein Obama.
Or Putin? Because some of the things said by our President and his envoys the last couple of days make it appear it's more important to be Putin's friend than to represent our country's best interests.
Supporting the most corrupt..an American staple.
DannyDuberstein said:
I don't think Ukraine will collapse. But they are going to have to come to grips with giving up a sliver of that is heavily ethnic russian. Can't keep the grift going forever. Can't keep sending their own to death forever
This is a fair take
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