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Praying for the OP and those foster kids. It is a good reminder that there are families impacted. Sounds like OP isn't as concerned with the job cut but more so the impact it has to the foster kids and their adoption plans. End of the day, this is more of a problem with the social services requirements versus anything DOGE is doing. I am sure those kids are in a great situation and it would be a shame to remove them. I am glad my kids don't get taken away if I lose my job.

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Thanks, were it not for the kids I wouldn't be so worried. If this happened a year from now I could easily move for a job, but right now I'm stuck

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This really sucks OP, best of luck. Job related **** hit my family hard during covid, it's not a good place to be.

Sorry a lot on this board don't understand nuance and process. Or go by the mantra that because something bad happens to them, someone else, or in some other industry, it's justifiable and the right way to do things. It's lazy thinking, I would try to ignore them, they don't discuss in good faith. And bleating about the waste and savings as this reckless slash and burn saves... essentially a rounding error on the budget. A budget that isn't balanced and increases the deficit. This is all 100% political, team sports.

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Lol

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Ah yes, very thorough. In no way reinforces my bit about "lazy".... oh

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10andBOUNCE said:

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Praying for the OP and those foster kids. It is a good reminder that there are families impacted. Sounds like OP isn't as concerned with the job cut but more so the impact it has to the foster kids and their adoption plans. End of the day, this is more of a problem with the social services requirements versus anything DOGE is doing. I am sure those kids are in a great situation and it would be a shame to remove them. I am glad my kids don't get taken away if I lose my job.

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Thanks, were it not for the kids I wouldn't be so worried. If this happened a year from now I could easily move for a job, but right now I'm stuck

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This really sucks OP, best of luck. Job related **** hit my family hard during covid, it's not a good place to be.

Sorry a lot on this board don't understand nuance and process. Or go by the mantra that because something bad happens to them, someone else, or in some other industry, it's justifiable and the right way to do things. It's lazy thinking, I would try to ignore them, they don't discuss in good faith. And bleating about the waste and savings as this reckless slash and burn saves... essentially a rounding error on the budget. A budget that isn't balanced and increases the deficit. This is all 100% political, team sports.

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How should $2T be cut? What would you do?

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Tough crowd..TexAgs tough, hardened by lousy football.

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Toughened by real life working in sectors that can't print money out of thin air and force people to give you money by law with little to no accountability in how it is spent.

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I don't delight in 90% of the layoffs we're hearing about. Far from it.

My wife and i have been talking about innocent people getting hit in the crossfire of all this (SS, Medicaire, DOGE, etc.) We have one person that is screaming on social media about how Medicare being paused is going to ruin their life. Never mind that their husband is gainfully employed with three kids out of the house and they adopted somebody from out of country that they knew would need this kind of care... (I don't begrudge that. It's a kindness)

My issue is that if you're so dependent on a government job that you don't think you can survive without it or you can't make it a couple of months without government assistance, than you and our government has failed.

I work in technology. You name a company in the sphere (Dell, Cisco, Palo Alto Networks, Crowdstrike, HP, etc.) and I've had somebody I know fired from there because of a bad quarter, bad roll out, restructuring, merger, etc.

We're learning that the majority of these FedGov organizations couldn't pass an audit to save their life. Any of the companies above fails that consistently would be Arthur Anderson'd and Enron'd into Bolivia. The government is having their audit and learning what happens to the rest of us when we foul up.

I'm not happy for the individuals hurt, I am happy that people are learning that nothing is guaranteed as the rest of us in the real world have known for the last 17 years.

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Long time oil and gas guy here.

The last president told us he wanted to put my industry out of business. I have kids, family, all of whom depend on my income.

Where were you then?

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Tap the breaks on your fear mongering and perpetual victimhood; American Oil and Gas boomed the last 4 years.

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I think we found the new Lot Y sock.

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So you have military retirement, benefits including health insurance and VA disability? Now imagine getting laid off with none of that.

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I don't have a military retirement, I was only in the Army for 5 years. I don't have to imagine what that would be like, in 2010 I was in a private sector job, did not have any VA health benefits and was laid off when Northrop Grumman bought out our small GIS surveying company.

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Sorry. Mistook you for someone else. At least you have VA disability payments.

Good luck!

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Praying for the OP and those foster kids. It is a good reminder that there are families impacted. Sounds like OP isn't as concerned with the job cut but more so the impact it has to the foster kids and their adoption plans. End of the day, this is more of a problem with the social services requirements versus anything DOGE is doing. I am sure those kids are in a great situation and it would be a shame to remove them. I am glad my kids don't get taken away if I lose my job.

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Thanks, were it not for the kids I wouldn't be so worried. If this happened a year from now I could easily move for a job, but right now I'm stuck

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This really sucks OP, best of luck. Job related **** hit my family hard during covid, it's not a good place to be.

Sorry a lot on this board don't understand nuance and process. Or go by the mantra that because something bad happens to them, someone else, or in some other industry, it's justifiable and the right way to do things. It's lazy thinking, I would try to ignore them, they don't discuss in good faith. And bleating about the waste and savings as this reckless slash and burn saves... essentially a rounding error on the budget. A budget that isn't balanced and increases the deficit. This is all 100% political, team sports.

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How should $2T be cut? What would you do?

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Cut deep into things that actually make a difference. SS, medicare, medicaid, defense, etc. Fiddle f-ing around with what they are doing now feels good and makes people feel like something is being done, but it's the equivalent of telling someone to go find a job, and having them spend all day digging around in their couch for a quarter.

Not directly at OP. But there is a definite sense of entitlement of former service members to bureaucratic positions + disability rating money for life. Our country can't afford it. It's insanity.

The solution is pay soldiers more for the work they do (when they are soldiers)- but no lifetime monthly compensation (except those that prove they can't work) and no long-term bureaucratic jobs (unless prove best for a needed job).

The Fed employee salaries and benefits being cut are a rounding error.


Maybe try doing an actual audit and figuring out where the waste it. Shouting on Twitter about how much fraud and waste is being uncovered!!! Doesn't make it true.


Edit: And everyone who thinks these are all just LibRuls losing their jobs in some great purge is completely disconnected from reality or a fascist bag of ***** There's a way to do this and this ain't it.

Who?mikejones! said:

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Praying for the OP and those foster kids. It is a good reminder that there are families impacted. Sounds like OP isn't as concerned with the job cut but more so the impact it has to the foster kids and their adoption plans. End of the day, this is more of a problem with the social services requirements versus anything DOGE is doing. I am sure those kids are in a great situation and it would be a shame to remove them. I am glad my kids don't get taken away if I lose my job.

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Thanks, were it not for the kids I wouldn't be so worried. If this happened a year from now I could easily move for a job, but right now I'm stuck

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This really sucks OP, best of luck. Job related **** hit my family hard during covid, it's not a good place to be.

Sorry a lot on this board don't understand nuance and process. Or go by the mantra that because something bad happens to them, someone else, or in some other industry, it's justifiable and the right way to do things. It's lazy thinking, I would try to ignore them, they don't discuss in good faith. And bleating about the waste and savings as this reckless slash and burn saves... essentially a rounding error on the budget. A budget that isn't balanced and increases the deficit. This is all 100% political, team sports.

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Lol

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More trolling. We will see how staph responds....

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Not directly at OP. But there is a definite sense of entitlement of former service members to bureaucratic positions + disability rating money for life. Our country can't afford it. It's insanity.

The solution is pay soldiers more for the work they do (when they are soldiers)- but no lifetime monthly compensation (except those that prove they can't work) and no long-term bureaucratic jobs (unless prove best for a needed job).

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There is certainly a problem with disability payments for service connected disability but I'm not being compensated because I can or cannot work, I'm compensated because my burn pit exposure will result in a shortened lifetime

Salaries and benies cost about 275 billion last year.


Cut that in half, let's say, to around 135 billion . I'll take a trillion worth of savings over 10 years.

Hell, we could build that wall. We could better help cali, Carolina or Maui. We could simply pay off some debt.

Yes, most of us want every nook and cranny of the federal govt touched for any savings, big and small.

For example- the dod spent 114 million on dei training last year. A rounding error in both the federal and dod budgets.

That 114 million could've bought 11 m1a2 tanks, 3 apache helicopters, 200 mraps, 250 million rounds of 5.56, at least 30000 rounds of 155 HE artillery shells, or more than 10 million MREs. We could train about 700 usmc infantrymen through the typical enlistment for that 114 million.

There is nothing too small to avoid scrutiny. Not to mention it's easier to start with the small stuff and work your way to the big stuff.

I was laid off after 3 years of Covid took half our business. I was 57. Long term corporate job. Old white guy was expendable.

It sucked, 2 kids in college etc. I rebounded.


Jobs aren't forever.

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Not directly at OP. But there is a definite sense of entitlement of former service members to bureaucratic positions + disability rating money for life. Our country can't afford it. It's insanity.

The solution is pay soldiers more for the work they do (when they are soldiers)- but no lifetime monthly compensation (except those that prove they can't work) and no long-term bureaucratic jobs (unless prove best for a needed job).

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I'd rather pay soldiers median HH income salary, directly, for the rest of their life - for volunteering to serve where I didn't. Without them, we would have to draft people. And in turn completely gut welfare, medicare, Medicaid, social security, education, and 80% of the government administrative positions.

But note, I said soldiers. Stateside office gigs in the military get paid very well during service and nothing after. And no more disability. You are already getting paid a free salary for the rest of your life because of your service. This allows you the opportunity to use whatever means you have to figure out whatever you can to make any more.

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Tough crowd..TexAgs tough, hardened by lousy football.

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Remind me of how many federal employees were forced out of their job because of covid?

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Every one who refused the covid shot

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False, that was 98% actual military personnel only (and I know some of them who survived refusing the jab...barely)

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Praying for the OP and those foster kids. It is a good reminder that there are families impacted. Sounds like OP isn't as concerned with the job cut but more so the impact it has to the foster kids and their adoption plans. End of the day, this is more of a problem with the social services requirements versus anything DOGE is doing. I am sure those kids are in a great situation and it would be a shame to remove them. I am glad my kids don't get taken away if I lose my job.

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Thanks, were it not for the kids I wouldn't be so worried. If this happened a year from now I could easily move for a job, but right now I'm stuck

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This really sucks OP, best of luck. Job related **** hit my family hard during covid, it's not a good place to be.

Sorry a lot on this board don't understand nuance and process. Or go by the mantra that because something bad happens to them, someone else, or in some other industry, it's justifiable and the right way to do things. It's lazy thinking, I would try to ignore them, they don't discuss in good faith. And bleating about the waste and savings as this reckless slash and burn saves... essentially a rounding error on the budget. A budget that isn't balanced and increases the deficit. This is all 100% political, team sports.

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How should $2T be cut? What would you do?

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Cut deep into things that actually make a difference. SS, medicare, medicaid, defense, etc. Fiddle f-ing around with what they are doing now feels good and makes people feel like something is being done, but it's the equivalent of telling someone to go find a job, and having them spend all day digging around in their couch for a quarter.

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I don't disagree but you don't want to start there. Secondly, reform of that magnitude takes Congress.

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Perhaps be pro active and find a new job

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I can't leave my area of Missouri until I can adopt, most all the jobs in my area of Missouri are either on Fort Leonard Wood or USGS. And sorry about word salad in my OP, I had a few last night after a rough couple of weeks

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Man I'm glad you cleared that up, I was hoping it wasn't because you were a WFH/Remote Federal Employee and "being forced" to go back into the office because that would have REALLY kicked over the Texags hornet's nest!

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Imagine what you could do if you produced something!

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I produce geospatial data that the private sector consumes on a daily basis. What I do for the government isn't done by the private sector, that's one of the reason I like my job, we provide a service that isn't replicated in the private sector

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What Geospatial data?

Isn't replicated... yet.

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The Fed employee salaries and benefits being cut are a rounding error.


Maybe try doing an actual audit and figuring out where the waste it. Shouting on Twitter about how much fraud and waste is being uncovered!!! Doesn't make it true.


Edit: And everyone who thinks these are all just LibRuls losing their jobs in some great purge is completely disconnected from reality or a fascist bag of ***** There's a way to do this and this ain't it.

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Wow. Who do you think decides on all those ridiculous grants at USAID? The more people employed the money gets spent as they all try to figure out how they can tie themselves to some special project or grant we don't really need. The culture at the US government is broken. They don't care about waste and fraud, they just don't want people complaining. Maybe this will be a learning moment for all those beauracrats. If you don't want to get caught up in another massive RIF, take responsibility with the money you are responsible for. Don't spend money on things not needed and don't hire and bloat your staffs with people we don't need.

No, I've been back in my office for years, my job can't really be done from home efficiently

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Imagine what you could do if you produced something!

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I produce geospatial data that the private sector consumes on a daily basis. What I do for the government isn't done by the private sector, that's one of the reason I like my job, we provide a service that isn't replicated in the private sector

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What Geospatial data?

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Landsat of the nation, LiDAR for the Nation, the National Map, ifsar for Alaska, and the U.S. Topos to name a few. Pretty much every GIS operation, consumes our data including industry leading companies like ESRI

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Isn't replicated... yet.

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Let me know when the private sector can do national level data collection like we do. No private sector job can produce the scale of data we provide in an affordable manner yet every GIS professional consumes and uses our data. USGS is one of the few federal agencies that provides a service beneficial to the U.S. public that the private sector can't produce themselves

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Long time oil and gas guy here.

The last president told us he wanted to put my industry out of business. I have kids, family, all of whom depend on my income.

Where were you then?

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And I didn't actively root for your industry or you to lose your job

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Long time oil and gas guy here.

The last president told us he wanted to put my industry out of business. I have kids, family, all of whom depend on my income.

Where were you then?

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Wanted or did? Because one POTUS is randomly sweeping up (out) employees and one may have made the statement you claim.

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What alternate universe do you live in?

Holy cow.

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Praying for the OP and those foster kids. It is a good reminder that there are families impacted. Sounds like OP isn't as concerned with the job cut but more so the impact it has to the foster kids and their adoption plans. End of the day, this is more of a problem with the social services requirements versus anything DOGE is doing. I am sure those kids are in a great situation and it would be a shame to remove them. I am glad my kids don't get taken away if I lose my job.

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Thanks, were it not for the kids I wouldn't be so worried. If this happened a year from now I could easily move for a job, but right now I'm stuck

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This really sucks OP, best of luck. Job related **** hit my family hard during covid, it's not a good place to be.

Sorry a lot on this board don't understand nuance and process. Or go by the mantra that because something bad happens to them, someone else, or in some other industry, it's justifiable and the right way to do things. It's lazy thinking, I would try to ignore them, they don't discuss in good faith. And bleating about the waste and savings as this reckless slash and burn saves... essentially a rounding error on the budget. A budget that isn't balanced and increases the deficit. This is all 100% political, team sports.

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Lol

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More trolling. We will see how staph responds....

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Aren't you entertained?
Dumbass takes like this is why Democrats lost. They live in an alternate reality.

The real world reality is going to hit federal employees. The resilient ones will find jobs. The rest will vote for AOC or whatever lunatic the dems put up next time.

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Tough crowd..TexAgs tough, hardened by lousy football.

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Remind me of how many federal employees were forced out of their job because of covid?

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My wife and I left our jobs because of the COVID crackdown. No vax for us. We trained for our class A CDL then hit the open road as contract team truck drivers to get away from it all - Fed Ex Custom Critical. It wasn't an ideal situation but, we stayed in it long enough for the COVID insanity to finally pass. She's back to nursing and I'm back to IT.

We actually made more money truck driving than we did in our regular professions. However, trucking is a tough, very dangerous line of work. I-80 through Wyoming is one of the most terrifying places in the world to drive a big truck during the winter because of the ice and wind but, we did it numerous times. We gained a fantastic appreciation for the people delivering groceries and other goods to market.

All of that to say, "smart people find a way". Be willing to step out of your comfort zone.

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Hell yeah, taking the bull by the horns, great story and not a bad way to get back to work and see some of the country.

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Long time oil and gas guy here.

The last president told us he wanted to put my industry out of business. I have kids, family, all of whom depend on my income.

Where were you then?

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And I didn't actively root for your industry or you to lose your job

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Fair enough. But you came to an Internet forum and basically accused everybody of rooting for that in your case. Hopefully you will acknowledge that there are a lot of people on the left who actively root for the oil and gas industry to fail.

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Long time oil and gas guy here.

The last president told us he wanted to put my industry out of business. I have kids, family, all of whom depend on my income.

Where were you then?

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And I didn't actively root for your industry or you to lose your job

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Fair enough. But you came to an Internet forum and basically accused everybody of rooting for that in your case. Hopefully you will acknowledge that there are a lot of people on the left who actively root for the oil and gas industry to fail.

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I'm not on the left, I voted for Trump three times, I'm a conservative. One of the main reasons I voted for Trump this go around d was to unleash our energy dominance. So to answer your quaetion, yes, the left was rooting for your demise

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Isn't replicated... yet.

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Let me know when the private sector can do national level data collection like we do. No private sector job can produce the scale of data we provide in an affordable manner yet every GIS professional consumes and uses our data. USGS is one of the few federal agencies that provides a service beneficial to the U.S. public that the private sector can't produce themselves

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Can't?

That a strong word. It wasn't long ago where private companies couldn't go to space.

I guarantee if your service was to shudder tomorrow, a market solution would be created the next day.

I understand that, but I think it is fair to say that most people who work for the government are liberals and openly despise the oil and gas industry so when people who work in the oil and gas industry hear people in the public sector who were for the first time in their life affected by a downsizing (with generous severance) being put up on 60 minutes as some kind of martyr I think you can understand where they're coming from feeling like there's a bunch of hypocrisy going on

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Were you eligible for the 8 month buyout offer?

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I was, as mentioned I can't leave my area of Missouri until I can adopt my foster children. We are in a small rural community and most all the jobs are either on post at Leonard Wood or with USGS. If I'm not employed we lose custody of our foster children.

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To maintain the foster relationship, do both parents have to be employed full time? If your wife still has her job, and you lose yours, her job isn't enough to keep the state from taking the kids?

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Isn't replicated... yet.

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Let me know when the private sector can do national level data collection like we do. No private sector job can produce the scale of data we provide in an affordable manner yet every GIS professional consumes and uses our data. USGS is one of the few federal agencies that provides a service beneficial to the U.S. public that the private sector can't produce themselves

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Can't?

That a strong word. It wasn't long ago where private companies couldn't go to space.

I guarantee if your service was to shudder tomorrow, a market solution would be created the next day.

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I agree…for better or worse, I think AI is going to take jobs too, maybe even do this work in the future…

I'd agree if you said most DC federal employees but once you get away from DC, most federal employees are reflective of the community they are in. I'm in the Ozarks of Missouri, most in my office are conservative