Agreed. Trump is showing his the job is too much to handle when he has to disparage Zelenskyy and the Ukrainians at a time when their future is in doubt. What polling places are secure enough for voting? That is which places are secure from artillery and missiles and that kind of stuff? The Ukrainians have had their country pounded to powers. It is not their fault. If he keeps this stuff up, I'd expect Rubio and others to resign in protest. He would then call Rubio names.Eliminatus said:Good Lord. Yeah, no mistaking any chess here. Trump took in the propaganda hook, line, and sinker.Eliminatus said:About a week ago, I might have agreed if I were looking at it optimistically.Captain Pablo said:halfastros81 said:
He's posturing to get them to agree to a peace deal imo. It doesn't make it any less cringy but there is a method to his madness.
I think this is it. Twisting Ukraine's arm
Now though, with ALL the messaging from him and his cabinet combined, I am not nearly so sure. I have reached a point now that I think he is surrounded by by those in his ear who do fully believe all the Russian propaganda and mixed with his own weird fascination with Putin over the years (have thought this about him for years now even before his current term) and I can see this just being groundwork to step away from Europe all together. Which anyone above room temp IQ knows is not great IMO.
Orrrrr.....it can be 10D chess. I don't know. But doesn't look like it so far to me. Closed room negotiations with Russia over Ukraine is pretty black and white to the world.— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 19, 2025
The money isn't missing, the 4% approval rating is a f'ing lie (such am egregious lie it beggars belief in itself) slipped to him by the closed door echo chambers going on in SA right now, and the election thing is such a stupid non point to Ukrainians right now. By their own polling mind you. A fair and open election will be impossible right now, period and they don't care enough to do it when invaders are still marching on their land. Russia is the one who advanced that so that should tell you all about the motives right there. Russia, who hasn't had a fair and open election in 20+ years and openly kill adversaries to Putin to the point they literally do not even attempt to disguise it anymore.
Trump is a f'ing idiot in this regard and is fumbling this beyond all belief. He got played like a damn fiddle and it's damned embarrassing to see. There are arguable reasons to not support Ukraine. These aren't it.
Why do you think Trump is saying Ukraine started the war?
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HowdyTexasAggies said:
You are defending an org that just got exposed for stealing taxpayers' money. You are a joke.
USAID was the most corrupt org the US government has ever had.
JayM said:Agreed. Trump is showing his the job is too much to handle when he has to disparage Zelenskyy and the Ukrainians at a time when their future is in doubt. What polling places are secure enough for voting? That is which places are secure from artillery and missiles and that kind of stuff? The Ukrainians have had their country pounded to powers. It is not their fault. If he keeps this stuff up, I'd expect Rubio and others to resign in protest. He would then call Rubio names.Eliminatus said:Good Lord. Yeah, no mistaking any chess here. Trump took in the propaganda hook, line, and sinker.Eliminatus said:About a week ago, I might have agreed if I were looking at it optimistically.Captain Pablo said:halfastros81 said:
He's posturing to get them to agree to a peace deal imo. It doesn't make it any less cringy but there is a method to his madness.
I think this is it. Twisting Ukraine's arm
Now though, with ALL the messaging from him and his cabinet combined, I am not nearly so sure. I have reached a point now that I think he is surrounded by by those in his ear who do fully believe all the Russian propaganda and mixed with his own weird fascination with Putin over the years (have thought this about him for years now even before his current term) and I can see this just being groundwork to step away from Europe all together. Which anyone above room temp IQ knows is not great IMO.
Orrrrr.....it can be 10D chess. I don't know. But doesn't look like it so far to me. Closed room negotiations with Russia over Ukraine is pretty black and white to the world.— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 19, 2025
The money isn't missing, the 4% approval rating is a f'ing lie (such am egregious lie it beggars belief in itself) slipped to him by the closed door echo chambers going on in SA right now, and the election thing is such a stupid non point to Ukrainians right now. By their own polling mind you. A fair and open election will be impossible right now, period and they don't care enough to do it when invaders are still marching on their land. Russia is the one who advanced that so that should tell you all about the motives right there. Russia, who hasn't had a fair and open election in 20+ years and openly kill adversaries to Putin to the point they literally do not even attempt to disguise it anymore.
Trump is a f'ing idiot in this regard and is fumbling this beyond all belief. He got played like a damn fiddle and it's damned embarrassing to see. There are arguable reasons to not support Ukraine. These aren't it.
Rubio was also very verbal at the onset of the invasion in calling out Putin as a war criminal and those who would bend the knee to him. Quite a few receipts out there about it and quite the change in just three years. Unless he has had a very massive change of heart, he can't be happy with the task foisted on him right now.
ABATTBQ11 said:BboroAg said:eric76 said:The US entered into the Viet Nam War in 1965, but it had already been going on for something like twenty years.BboroAg said:
Because Ukraine/USA did start the war….very similar playbook to the USA's role in the Vietnam war
The US inserted themselves into Vietnam in 1954 in support of France against Soviet and Chinese backed communists….which was ironic considering that the Vietnamese people were seeking independence from colonialism just like American had done in 1776.
FIFY
That is the US government's version…the Vietnamese version is that they had no help from the USSR or China until the US intervened.
There is one guy Trump has to convince in order to stop this war. He has a huge nuclear arsenal and a very big country. He is also a ruthless tyrant If Trump wants concessions and an end to the conflict, there is really only one guy he has to appease, but Putin has leverage. Zelenskyy has nothing, except our good will. It seems to me that Trump's statements make more sense with that understanding, and also with the understanding that Trump wants repayment for the huge outlays provided, and for which there has been little accounting.JayM said:Agreed. Trump is showing his the job is too much to handle when he has to disparage Zelenskyy and the Ukrainians at a time when their future is in doubt. What polling places are secure enough for voting? That is which places are secure from artillery and missiles and that kind of stuff? The Ukrainians have had their country pounded to powers. It is not their fault. If he keeps this stuff up, I'd expect Rubio and others to resign in protest. He would then call Rubio names.Eliminatus said:Good Lord. Yeah, no mistaking any chess here. Trump took in the propaganda hook, line, and sinker.Eliminatus said:About a week ago, I might have agreed if I were looking at it optimistically.Captain Pablo said:halfastros81 said:
He's posturing to get them to agree to a peace deal imo. It doesn't make it any less cringy but there is a method to his madness.
I think this is it. Twisting Ukraine's arm
Now though, with ALL the messaging from him and his cabinet combined, I am not nearly so sure. I have reached a point now that I think he is surrounded by by those in his ear who do fully believe all the Russian propaganda and mixed with his own weird fascination with Putin over the years (have thought this about him for years now even before his current term) and I can see this just being groundwork to step away from Europe all together. Which anyone above room temp IQ knows is not great IMO.
Orrrrr.....it can be 10D chess. I don't know. But doesn't look like it so far to me. Closed room negotiations with Russia over Ukraine is pretty black and white to the world.— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 19, 2025
The money isn't missing, the 4% approval rating is a f'ing lie (such am egregious lie it beggars belief in itself) slipped to him by the closed door echo chambers going on in SA right now, and the election thing is such a stupid non point to Ukrainians right now. By their own polling mind you. A fair and open election will be impossible right now, period and they don't care enough to do it when invaders are still marching on their land. Russia is the one who advanced that so that should tell you all about the motives right there. Russia, who hasn't had a fair and open election in 20+ years and openly kill adversaries to Putin to the point they literally do not even attempt to disguise it anymore.
Trump is a f'ing idiot in this regard and is fumbling this beyond all belief. He got played like a damn fiddle and it's damned embarrassing to see. There are arguable reasons to not support Ukraine. These aren't it.
In other words, Trump sucking up to Putin makes perfect sense, given our goals.
Rubio was on the Senate intelligence committee at the time. It's long been theorized, not just by the conservative treehouse types, those 'gang of 8' members are largely controlled by the IC. Clearly, he is off that reservation now and operating as Trump's Secretary of State without fear of blackmail etc. How and why, I don't know, and I don't subscribe to all of CH' theories about the matter either.Eliminatus said:
Rubio was also very verbal at the onset of the invasion in calling out Putin as a war criminal and those who would bend the knee to him. Quite a few receipts out there about it and quite the change in just three years. Unless he has had a very massive change of heart, he can't be happy with the task foisted on him right now.
But what are we to do at this point? What isnukraine to do at this point?
This is an important post. And if you don't mind me saying, you are an excellent poster here.Eliminatus said:
This is where the true followers of the Russian disinformation campaign will show themselves.
It's pretty easy to see how they did it too. They just latched it onto the leftist messaging during the height of the mudslinging. So many right to far right just saw Uke = leftist and rebounded hard by forfeiting common sense and critical thought.
The damn thing is, is how f'ing easy it was. They did take some leftist messaging but then inflated it/lied to egregious proportions and sculpted out what is probably one of the most perfect psyop campaigns ever waged. How many of the same posters crying about Zelesnky posted videos of Soviet infiltration and media control tactics from the 60's onward? And yet refuse to believe that it was happening to them? I gave up countering the lies years ago. Screaming into the void doesn't cover it. I saw the futility when a poster threw out some dumb propaganda lies, I proved them wrong USING THE VERY SOURCES THEY POSTED, they ditched the thread that they were very active on up to the point, then were on another not even a day later posting the exact same lie. Some people here aren't interested in truth. They are interested in narratives that support their world. Nothing else needs to exist. Was everything that happened during the Biden campaign kosher? Of course not. It also was not as bad as most of the naysayers think it was and trust me, I have several rants against it myself over the years. Under a Trump admin, an effective and efficient aid package should have continued that would have enhanced our capabilities, strengthened our existing ties in Ukraine, propelled ourselves back onto the world stage as a trusted ally (which is pure dog**** as of now) and IMO, would have actually shaped ourselves up in a better spot against the coming war with China.
Putin did not invade to save abused ethno-Russians or destroy Nazis or biolabs. That is LIV thinking. Euromaidan doesn't happen and sustain till 2022 without popular support from the people.
I am also pretty certain this is where the first true wedges of the Elon/ left split began. I do think Russia was the main driver behind the initial media blitz against Elon on the global stage and it was devastatingly effective IMO. And cheap. It's also where I actually gotta give the Russians credit. Because if I were them, I would have done the same thing. Strategically brilliant victory.
We all know how effective Russian subversion and propaganda efforts were against our country beginning immediately after their revolution all through the 20th century. Think of the 1960's.. the way our education system changed, etc etc.
They've simply changed out flanks and are using their world class influence operations from the other side, largely because the powers that be in the west now consist of a leftist consensus (thanks in no small part to the efforts of the Russians forebearers).
It's one of those things where once you see it, it is impossible not to see. It becomes easy to spot posters who spend their time on forums where the Russians have achieved information dominance. There are a few here who I would not be surprised to learn are actually working Moscow hours. I fear it is an achilles heel to the otherwise historic opportunity the "populist" right has right now, with DOGE etc, to make the first real positive changes since FDR (whose administration was rife with Russian assets who did incalculable ongoing harm to our way of life.
For all of his faults, FDR was also somewhat constrained by his desire to get into the European War in an acceptable manner. That meant working with Russia once they were on the defensive against the same enemy FDR was focused on.
FrioAg 00:
Leftist Democrats "have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused."
Leftist Democrats "have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused."
You know. I think most of you are over thinking this. There were things that suppressed about Japan after they capitulated because they had to be at some point welcomed back into the League of Nations.
Until I see more. I will tolerate Trump being moderate and empathetic to Putin. It is certainly more likely to end the war. How many more Ukrainians have to die before they push Putin out of Crimea? Just about every one of them is the answer.
Unless other nations want to pony up their military to die…..Ukraine doesn't have the numbers to push Russia out.
Putin is a pariah in everyone's eyes. If Trumps acts like everyone else then you shouldn't expect successful negotiation. Whether you are turning on Trump at the first moment of doubt…….i would suggest to calm that urge abit knowing our soldiers will not be sent over to die in Ukraine.
Until I see more. I will tolerate Trump being moderate and empathetic to Putin. It is certainly more likely to end the war. How many more Ukrainians have to die before they push Putin out of Crimea? Just about every one of them is the answer.
Unless other nations want to pony up their military to die…..Ukraine doesn't have the numbers to push Russia out.
Putin is a pariah in everyone's eyes. If Trumps acts like everyone else then you shouldn't expect successful negotiation. Whether you are turning on Trump at the first moment of doubt…….i would suggest to calm that urge abit knowing our soldiers will not be sent over to die in Ukraine.
Also, it looks like Zelenski is not being forthcoming on the peace negotiations. He wants US ground force intervention, which did not happen under Biden and definitely will not happen under Trump.doubledog said:
Zelenski was pushing for Ukraine to join NATO and Biden administration was hinting they would go along with it.
Forget about Crimea --- if seeking to undo any Russia gains, focus on the ones in western Ukraine and from the 2021 war start .
FrioAg 00:
Leftist Democrats "have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused."
Leftist Democrats "have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused."
APHIS AG said:Also, it looks like Zelenski is not being forthcoming on the peace negotiations. He wants US ground force intervention, which did not happen under Biden and definitely will not happen under Trump.doubledog said:
Zelenski was pushing for Ukraine to join NATO and Biden administration was hinting they would go along with it.
Is there a link to him saying this somewhere?
No link however, there is always a reason for when Trump states something, especially something that has far reaching implications.J. Walter Weatherman said:APHIS AG said:Also, it looks like Zelenski is not being forthcoming on the peace negotiations. He wants US ground force intervention, which did not happen under Biden and definitely will not happen under Trump.doubledog said:
Zelenski was pushing for Ukraine to join NATO and Biden administration was hinting they would go along with it.
Is there a link to him saying this somewhere?
And Zelenski is running out of options for Trump is ready to cut him off and Europe will not send troops.
Yes, would like to see that too. That would change much.J. Walter Weatherman said:APHIS AG said:Also, it looks like Zelenski is not being forthcoming on the peace negotiations. He wants US ground force intervention, which did not happen under Biden and definitely will not happen under Trump.doubledog said:
Zelenski was pushing for Ukraine to join NATO and Biden administration was hinting they would go along with it.
Is there a link to him saying this somewhere?
FrioAg 00:
Leftist Democrats "have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused."
Leftist Democrats "have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused."
APHIS AG said:No link however, there is always a reason for when Trump states something, especially something that has far reaching implications.J. Walter Weatherman said:APHIS AG said:Also, it looks like Zelenski is not being forthcoming on the peace negotiations. He wants US ground force intervention, which did not happen under Biden and definitely will not happen under Trump.doubledog said:
Zelenski was pushing for Ukraine to join NATO and Biden administration was hinting they would go along with it.
Is there a link to him saying this somewhere?
And Zelenski is running out of options for Trump is ready to cut him off and Europe will not send troops.
Ok got it, that would have been surprising since he definitely knows there's zero chance of that happening.
Quote:
There are a few here who I would not be surprised to learn are actually working Moscow hours
There's one that curates a thread of Kremlin propaganda every morning between 4-5am CST. I'm sure he's just a normal Texan waking up to spend an hour posting a novel of Russian tweets at 4am
Krombopulos Michael said:
Picture is worth a thousand words.
He's always been an intel agency cutout. Not a single ounce of genuine in him as the leader of a country.
Really? Tell us more about his history...
That's actually one of the best posts Trump has ever made. Thank God we have someone in position of power again with a spine to call out what has been obvious to the rest of us with functioning brains for the past 3 years now.sanangelo said:This might be the most braindead statement I have ever seen be made by a sitting U.S. President. Calling Zelensky a dictator while someone like Putin has been in power now for over 25 years is some next level stupidity. This is the President of the United States on one of his… pic.twitter.com/d5cLZQOe2q
— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) February 19, 2025
*not a Putin fanboy
I love all the warhawks on here calling anyone who wants people to stop dying for no good reason Russian Apologists.
If you love Ukraine independence so much, jump on a plane and go defend it yourself.
To everyone else, including the actual Ukrainians, this is a stupid waste of human lives defending a border that has only existed for 35 ****ing years.
Stop playing Risk with real people, *******s.
If you love Ukraine independence so much, jump on a plane and go defend it yourself.
To everyone else, including the actual Ukrainians, this is a stupid waste of human lives defending a border that has only existed for 35 ****ing years.
Stop playing Risk with real people, *******s.
Not saying he is justified at all- absolutely the opposite, BUT Putin said fervently that any movement toward Ukraine joining NATO would be perceived as an immediate threat to Russia and that they would be forced to take action.
Not really any other choice, Ukrain gonna have to call in Hunter for consultation!Who?mikejones! said:
But what are we to do at this point? What isnukraine to do at this point?
Good morning from Moscow/Kiev.GAC06 said:Quote:
There are a few here who I would not be surprised to learn are actually working Moscow hours
There's one that curates a thread of Kremlin propaganda every morning between 4-5am CST. I'm sure he's just a normal Texan waking up to spend an hour posting a novel of Russian tweets at 4am
🇺🇦🇺🇸 REMINDER ON THE INSANITY AROUND GONZALO LIRA:
— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) February 20, 2025
"Next week, the teeth of the Russian devils will grind even louder and their angry mouths will foam in an uncontrollable frenzy, as the world will see the Kremlin's favorite propagandist pay for his crimes.
This Putin puppet is… pic.twitter.com/joUbmGJlam
He did say the below in January, that he wanted 200K 'peacekeepers' post war if not in Nato, which 'can't be without the United States.'J. Walter Weatherman said:Is there a link to him saying this somewhere?APHIS AG said:Also, it looks like Zelenski is not being forthcoming on the peace negotiations. He wants US ground force intervention, which did not happen under Biden and definitely will not happen under Trump.doubledog said:
Zelenski was pushing for Ukraine to join NATO and Biden administration was hinting they would go along with it.
So, one could quibble about the term 'intervention' but that is a request for American armed forces in Ukraine. Spoiler alert; Trump's not sending American troops there as part of a 'deal.'Quote:
Any post-war peacekeeping forces in Ukraine must include American troops, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky stated on Wednesday in an interview with Bloomberg.
"[A peacekeeping contingent] can't be without the United States," Zelensky said. "Even if some European friends think it can be, no it can't be. Nobody will risk without the United States."
Zelensky expressed confidence that Donald Trump could secure peace but noted that such peace would only be possible if Washington provided Kyiv with long-term security guarantees. These guarantees, he said, could take the form of NATO membership or the presence of Western peacekeeping forces.
Speaking at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, a few days ago, Zelensky also stated that deploying peacekeepers would be crucial to preventing another Russian invasion. At that time, he estimated a minimum of 200,000 peacekeepers would be necessary.
ABATTBQ11 said:Krombopulos Michael said:
Picture is worth a thousand words.
He's always been an intel agency cutout. Not a single ounce of genuine in him as the leader of a country.
Really? Tell us more about his history...
I mean, staying in his country to die with his people when they and the world thought Ukraine would be dust and Zelenskyy dead in a matter of days is ballsy no matter how you cut it. I gave him 48 hours at the outset.
schillensky is a tick on the ass of America. How quickly you inch deep thinker forget about Hunter & Joe's Burisma deal back when Nobama was President. This is nothing more than a Democrat war/Money pit with kickbacks to the Biden's, cheney's and who knows how many tit sucking democrat politicians & republicans too. The damn European Union is merely paying lip service to this so-called war. Let America do it. They don't give a crap about Ukraine. Those sorry SOB's are just sitting back watching America degrade its financial situation and laughing at us in the process.
Trump wants to stop the killing, end the war, get America paid back for the money sunk into this Hell hole and then make some semblance of peace with putin.
He/america can't afford having this money pit continuing with Putin/russia siding with china. That's when the real hard ball game begins. Schillensky is another imp in the mold of Adam schiffless. He is expendable in the grand scheme of world politics. And needs to find a South American country to disappear into. He certainly is no hero. This is a complete Democratic Party disaster that Trump has to clean up. So get off his back. If you are giving credence to schillensky's word you might as well pull out a Greta thunberg or Al gore tape and wring your hands over global warming/cooling/climate change whatever fits your narrative.
Trump wants to stop the killing, end the war, get America paid back for the money sunk into this Hell hole and then make some semblance of peace with putin.
He/america can't afford having this money pit continuing with Putin/russia siding with china. That's when the real hard ball game begins. Schillensky is another imp in the mold of Adam schiffless. He is expendable in the grand scheme of world politics. And needs to find a South American country to disappear into. He certainly is no hero. This is a complete Democratic Party disaster that Trump has to clean up. So get off his back. If you are giving credence to schillensky's word you might as well pull out a Greta thunberg or Al gore tape and wring your hands over global warming/cooling/climate change whatever fits your narrative.
Listen to Tucker's podcast the other day with Jeffrey Sachs. He goes over the long game with Ukraine and how we got to where we are. This started with blunders decades ago and pushing Russia and pushing them with NATO.rgvag11 said:US President Donald Trump has blamed Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. He made the comments after a US and Russian delegation met for talks to end the war pic.twitter.com/YborVl2Vtx
— TRT World (@trtworld) February 19, 2025
I always thought Russia was the aggressor.
Silent For Too Long said:
I love all the warhawks on here calling anyone who wants people to stop dying for no good reason Russian Apologists.
If you love Ukraine independence so much, jump on a plane and go defend it yourself.
To everyone else, including the actual Ukrainians, this is a stupid waste of human lives defending a border that has only existed for 35 ****ing years.
Stop playing Risk with real people, *******s.
Yes, the "actual Ukrainians" want to surrender
BassCowboy33 said:ABATTBQ11 said:Krombopulos Michael said:
Picture is worth a thousand words.
He's always been an intel agency cutout. Not a single ounce of genuine in him as the leader of a country.
Really? Tell us more about his history...
I mean, staying in his country to die with his people when they and the world thought Ukraine would be dust and Zelenskyy dead in a matter of days is ballsy no matter how you cut it. I gave him 48 hours at the outset.
No way, he's a terrible leader according to this board because he didn't immediately surrender his country to a foreign invader.
Those who actually have to fight sure want to.Teslag said:Silent For Too Long said:
I love all the warhawks on here calling anyone who wants people to stop dying for no good reason Russian Apologists.
If you love Ukraine independence so much, jump on a plane and go defend it yourself.
To everyone else, including the actual Ukrainians, this is a stupid waste of human lives defending a border that has only existed for 35 ****ing years.
Stop playing Risk with real people, *******s.
Yes, the "actual Ukrainians" want to surrender
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/21624887.2024.2398848#abstract
Quote:
Since Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine on 24 February 2022, the Ukrainian government has imposed a travel ban on men aged 1860 to ensure timely mobilisation for the defence of Ukraine. While some exemptions apply, most men are prohibited from leaving the country, regardless of their status as civilians.Yet, evidence suggests that tens of thousands of Ukrainian men of military age have fled the war, as such failing to comply with martial law and perform their 'duty' as male citizens.
You will always get a few cowards fleeing. But your article says 10's of thousands have fled while hundreds of thousands have fought. And they've fought pretty damn hard for a bunch of conscripts that don't want to be there.
Zelenskyy is corrupt and is a dictator.Teslag said:BassCowboy33 said:ABATTBQ11 said:Krombopulos Michael said:
Picture is worth a thousand words.
He's always been an intel agency cutout. Not a single ounce of genuine in him as the leader of a country.
Really? Tell us more about his history...
I mean, staying in his country to die with his people when they and the world thought Ukraine would be dust and Zelenskyy dead in a matter of days is ballsy no matter how you cut it. I gave him 48 hours at the outset.
No way, he's a terrible leader according to this board because he didn't immediately surrender his country to a foreign invader.
I would caution against devoting yourself to idolizing/protecting any foreign leader, but I especially think you will be ashamed of being a proponent of Zelenskyy before this is done.
Zelensky is a swamp rat who just happens to live in Ukraine. He spent 4 years sucking up to Biden and that meant going along with the whole charade that Biden didn't use his position for personal quid pro quo with Ukraine but that it was actually Trump.
His worst nightmare was Trump being elected.
You reap what you sow.
His worst nightmare was Trump being elected.
You reap what you sow.
bam02 said:
Zelensky is a swamp rat who just happens to live in Ukraine. He spent 4 years sucking up to Biden and that meant going along with the whole charade that Biden didn't use his position for personal quid pro quo with Ukraine but that it was actually Trump.
His worst nightmare was Trump being elected.
You reap what you sow.
I would think a more powerful neighbor (that perpetrated Holodomer) trying to wipe his nation and people off the earth would be a bigger nightmare than Donald Trump.
https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-faces-an-acute-manpower-shortage-with-young-men-dodging-the-draft/Teslag said:
You will always get a few cowards fleeing.
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The BBC recently reported that 650,000 Ukrainian men of fighting age have fled the country in the past two years, most slipping across its borders with Poland and Slovakia, some with false exemption papers allowing them to exit Ukraine despite a ban on fighting-age men leaving the country.
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