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doubledog said:

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Zelenski was pushing for Ukraine to join NATO and Biden administration was hinting they would go along with it.

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Also, it looks like Zelenski is not being forthcoming on the peace negotiations. He wants US ground force intervention, which did not happen under Biden and definitely will not happen under Trump.

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The best negotiating strategy is to clearly signal to him that unless he comes to the negotiating table, he will be alone, and will die or live in exile. And then, follow up on that if need be.

I approve of Trump's approach so far.

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Silent For Too Long said:

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Teslag said:

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Agreed. A lot of the pro Russian posters here always casually hand wave away the pure hatred many Ukrainians have for Russians. **** like that isn't forgotten.

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There are zero pro Russian posters on this board.

Stop with this silly strawman and false dichotomy homie. You are better then that.

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There are quite a few pro Russian posters on this site.

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Not pro-Ukrainian does not equal pro-Russian.
The number of pro-Russian posters is very small. The number of not pro-Ukrainian posters and Americans in general grows everyday.

Dude, he's not getting tricked by twitter. He curates a Russian propaganda thread every morning at 4am CST, 1pm Moscow time

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There are a few here who I would not be surprised to learn are actually working Moscow hours

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There's one that curates a thread of Kremlin propaganda every morning between 4-5am CST. I'm sure he's just a normal Texan waking up to spend an hour posting a novel of Russian tweets at 4am

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Could be Trump for all I know.

Some people work insanely hard. Trump likes to tweet every morning at about 4am CST.

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Teslag said:

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Agreed. A lot of the pro Russian posters here always casually hand wave away the pure hatred many Ukrainians have for Russians. **** like that isn't forgotten.

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There are zero pro Russian posters on this board.

Stop with this silly strawman and false dichotomy homie. You are better then that.

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There are quite a few pro Russian posters on this site.

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Not pro-Ukrainian does not equal pro-Russian.
The number of pro-Russian posters is very small. The number of not pro-Ukrainian posters and Americans in general grows everyday.

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https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3375863

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Krombopulos Michael said:

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Picture is worth a thousand words.

He's always been an intel agency cutout. Not a single ounce of genuine in him as the leader of a country.

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Really? Tell us more about his history...

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I mean, staying in his country to die with his people when they and the world thought Ukraine would be dust and Zelenskyy dead in a matter of days is ballsy no matter how you cut it. I gave him 48 hours at the outset.

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No way, he's a terrible leader according to this board because he didn't immediately surrender his country to a foreign invader.

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Putin is an evil man and I hope he dies a terrible death.

But, Z is absolutely a democrat style tick. I am really proud of how Ukraine pushed out Russia. It is fantastic that Kiev still stands.

I want the US out of the border dispute between Ukraine and Russia.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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A dictator elected with 74% of the vote? In an actual fair election unlike Russia? Interesting definition of dictator.

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What about the last schedule election in Ukraine in 2024? How did Z fair in that one?

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GAC06 said:

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Silent For Too Long said:

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Teslag said:

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Agreed. A lot of the pro Russian posters here always casually hand wave away the pure hatred many Ukrainians have for Russians. **** like that isn't forgotten.

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There are zero pro Russian posters on this board.

Stop with this silly strawman and false dichotomy homie. You are better then that.

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There are quite a few pro Russian posters on this site.

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Not pro-Ukrainian does not equal pro-Russian.
The number of pro-Russian posters is very small. The number of not pro-Ukrainian posters and Americans in general grows everyday.

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If someone only blames one side while completely excusing the other they are most definitely pro one side.

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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A dictator elected with 74% of the vote? In an actual fair election unlike Russia? Interesting definition of dictator.

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What about the last schedule election in Ukraine in 2024? How did Z fair in that one?

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There was no scheduled election by the constitution of Ukraine.

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Ya'll seem to really struggle with the concept that to average Ukranian there isn't a huge difference between being governed by corrupt people in Kiev versus Moscow, and it sure as **** doesn't make a big enough difference to die for it.

Again, keep rooting on senseless death when you have zero personal investment.

Putin had no problem with Ukraine independence when the country was run by individuals sympathetic to the Kremlin. But we had to go in and state craft Poroshenko and Zelensky into office for our own personal gain. Some of you are blissfully unaware of how much blood of this war is on our hands for getting involved in a region we should have had no business in. And THEN, when a peace deal was on the table, we sent Blinken in to piss all over it.

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I'm pretty sure that they are aware. It's just that their overlords are sending them talking points from their discord server to try and protect their money laundering operations.

I'll just cite some of my 2023 comments there:

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The USA shouldn't have anything to do with Ukraine, or Russia. Victoria Nuland etc. should 100 percent be in jail. The USA unfortunately played an outsized role in creating, escalating, prolonging, and broadening this horrible war, which has cost not only Ukraine/Russian lives by the hundreds of thousands, but also contributed a tremendous amount of inflation to the global economy in food/energy, leading to the currency/geopolitical crisis we now face collectively.

I'm not pulling for Putin, no (despite what some will lie about here), but I think it's equally naive to simply 'blame' Russia or cite patriotic reasons to support the Biden-Obama-Nuland-swamp position on the Ukraine war.

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If more people would at least study the past 10 years of what has happened in Ukraine, if not the past 30, with respect to US involvement (Biden/Obama/Nuland etc), I think we'd do less yelling at each other on a message board.

Sadly, it's basically the same 'team' that was all in on masking/lockdowns now pushing Zelensky/Ukraine vs. Russia. They are not prone to change their minds/do independent research or accept any dissenting opinions/analyses, imho.

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Of course the meetings weren't recorded/released. But they happened. Just 'coincidences' to the war fans.

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Did Tucker Carlson's outspoken criticism over Joe Biden's Ukraine policy and opposition to foreign aid to the country play a role in his ouster from Fox News?

On Monday, Semafor reported that Fox News Executive Chairman Rupert Murdoch held a previously unreported call with Ukrainian dictator Volodymyr Zelenskyy earlier this spring. The two men discussed the war and the anniversary of the deaths of Fox News journalists last March.

Zelenskyy also had a conversation with Lachlan Murdoch on the same subject. Semafor notes Zelenskyy mentioned this as an aside during a national broadcast last month.

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Or maybe you think Zelensky was lying about it, I dunno, I always find it funny when Zelensky's own words contradict 'certain' war fan claims. Again, Zelensky is just a CCP-CIA puppet, like Biden's earpiece itself.

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Muh, Tucker Carlson/Trump etc. 'aren't pro-Ukraine enough.' Gee, I wonder why. More at the thread I'm, sure. The point is this war is not what it has been depicted as.

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But he's been in office for 5 years on a 4 year term. Never mind that Putin has been in office for 25 years and poisons political rivals.

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Can Hitler and Stalin BOTH be bad? Are the ideas mutually exclusive?

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THIS!!!!

I'm not saying that Z is either Hitler or Stalin, but there is not always a guy in a white hat in every conflict. In this war, even the US isn't wearing a white hat. We were as evil as Z, Putin and Stalin.

Time to get out.

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Zelenskyy got 74% of the vote.

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Not in the 2024 election.

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Agreed. A lot of the pro Russian posters here always casually hand wave away the pure hatred many Ukrainians have for Russians. **** like that isn't forgotten.

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How many of them live in Donbas or Crimea?

The issue is that you only demand Ukraine stop. You never say Russia should stop. Many posters even bend over backwards to justify why Russia should keep going

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Teslag said:

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Agreed. A lot of the pro Russian posters here always casually hand wave away the pure hatred many Ukrainians have for Russians. **** like that isn't forgotten.

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How many of them live in Donbas or Crimea?

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If this war were only about Donbas and Crimea it would have been over in 2022.

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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A dictator elected with 74% of the vote? In an actual fair election unlike Russia? Interesting definition of dictator.

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What about the last schedule election in Ukraine in 2024? How did Z fair in that one?

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Russia invaded and required them to go under martial law, in which they are not permitted to hold elections. Once Russia stops their unprovoked invasion, Ukraine will hold another election and your question will be answered if he decides to run again.

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Silent For Too Long said:

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Teslag said:

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Agreed. A lot of the pro Russian posters here always casually hand wave away the pure hatred many Ukrainians have for Russians. **** like that isn't forgotten.

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There are zero pro Russian posters on this board.

Stop with this silly strawman and false dichotomy homie. You are better then that.

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There are quite a few pro Russian posters on this site.

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Not pro-Ukrainian does not equal pro-Russian.
The number of pro-Russian posters is very small. The number of not pro-Ukrainian posters and Americans in general grows everyday.

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If someone only blames one side while completely excusing the other they are most definitely pro one side.

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Frankly, that's a fair judgement. If you entirely excuse one side and go against the other -- like our MSM does against Russia -- that's a pro -stance. Those that blame Zelensky as just profit driven --that is also a pro stance.

The argument it is TWO corrupt countries fighting an installment of a conflict that like some Mideast ones is centuries old, that is not `pro' one or the other.

That's all a giant hand waive to say you figured out it was started before Shoshana and Rory were married. Kudo's for that, but his relationship to King (then prince) Charles and the funding surge from their relationship (Rory-Shoshana) is what led to the big growth, including from USAID.

These are gross people whose colonial, and anti-American attitudes are absolutely emblematic of things we should not be taking American tax dollars to fund. I don't give a crap if you don't like X, and don't blame you for it, because it is demonstrably impacting the fake news/lies/propaganda of the left/WEF/blob, in power and reach. I'll disregard thus, your advice not to use it.

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Teslag said:

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Agreed. A lot of the pro Russian posters here always casually hand wave away the pure hatred many Ukrainians have for Russians. **** like that isn't forgotten.

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How many of them live in Donbas or Crimea?

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If this war were only about Donbas and Crimea it would have been over in 2022.

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Many people have suggested that Putin would have gladly taken those territories and stopped. But Blinken et al had 2 more years of grift planned and weren't ready to stop.

Teslag said:

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Teslag said:

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Agreed. A lot of the pro Russian posters here always casually hand wave away the pure hatred many Ukrainians have for Russians. **** like that isn't forgotten.

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How many of them live in Donbas or Crimea?

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If this war were only about Donbas and Crimea it would have been over in 2022.

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I'll agree with this. Russia wouldn't have claimed constitutional annexation of roughly 25% of Ukraine (apart from Crimea) at the beginning of the war if this was just about "muh Russian ethnicities".

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Zelenskyy got 74% of the vote.

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Not in the 2024 election.

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If Zelensky was actually a dictator, Trump would be kissing his ass.

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Stop getting your news from twitter. Possess just the slightest amount of skepticism and do even a miniscule amount of fact checking before sharing stuff like this. Musk and Trump are firing off lie after lie after lie and you can't simply accept them at face value.

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The irony of you, of all people, posting that diatribe is not lost on the rest of us.

Thanks for the chuckle.

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Teslag said:

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Agreed. A lot of the pro Russian posters here always casually hand wave away the pure hatred many Ukrainians have for Russians. **** like that isn't forgotten.

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How many of them live in Donbas or Crimea?

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If this war were only about Donbas and Crimea it would have been over in 2022.

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Many people have suggested that Putin would have gladly taken those territories and stopped. But Blinken et al had 2 more years of grift planned and weren't ready to stop.

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Russia constitutionally annexed 4 whole oblasts and tried to take out the government in Kyiv in the early months of the war. Their actions at the jump indicate that weren't content with a sliver of east Ukraine and had far broader goals.

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That's all a giant hand waive to say you figured out it was started before Shoshana and Rory were married. Kudo's for that, but his relationship to King (then prince) Charles and the funding surge from their relationship (Rory-Shoshana) is what led to the big growth, including from USAID.

These are gross people whose colonial, and anti-American attitudes are absolutely emblematic of things we should not be taking American tax dollars to fund. I don't give a crap if you don't like X, and don't blame you for it, because it is demonstrably impacting the fake news/lies/propaganda of the left/WEF/blob, in power and reach. I'll disregard thus, your advice not to use it.

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...I outlined, in detail, the actual objectives and accomplishments of the project and how it was not at all about 'teaching Afghani peasants about degenerate art.'

And I have no doubt you'll disregard reason and facts for a more comforting narrative pushed by those who are most served by you believing them.

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Zelenskyy got 74% of the vote.

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Not in the 2024 election.

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If Zelensky was actually a dictator, Trump would be kissing his ass.

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And then you post this NPC talking point in wonderful own goaling fashion.

Never change man.

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Zelenski was pushing for Ukraine to join NATO and Biden administration was hinting they would go along with it.

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This. I don't understand why this is so difficult to understand. Ukraine in NATO is not strategically tenable for Russia. Seriously entertaining the idea was incredibly provocative and was going to get a response.

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The Cuban missile crisis is a TERRIBLE example. Again, those missile were FIRST STRIKE nukes. That is like somebody pointing a gun at your head rather than merely them strapping a gun to their hip.

Bin Laden ATTACKED us and Saddam was violating the terms of his previous surrender (in which he attacked Kuwait). All of these are in RESPONSE to violent action. Putin invading Ukraine was not.

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Putin is and evil man, and I hope he dies a miserable death.

NATO at Russia's door is the same thing as first strike missiles in Cuba. Super easy to Nuke Russia from Poland. A NATO country on Russia's doorstep gives NATO the obligation to Nuke Russia for any conflict between Ukraine and Russia. If a crazy Ukrainian dictator rises to power and starts aggression against Russia, we are looking at a real WWIII scenario.

NATO in Ukraine is not just similar to nukes in Cuba, it is almost exactly the same thing.

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Teslag said:

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Agreed. A lot of the pro Russian posters here always casually hand wave away the pure hatred many Ukrainians have for Russians. **** like that isn't forgotten.

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How many of them live in Donbas or Crimea?

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If this war were only about Donbas and Crimea it would have been over in 2022.

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Many people have suggested that Putin would have gladly taken those territories and stopped. But Blinken et al had 2 more years of grift planned and weren't ready to stop.

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Except that Putin didn't just invade the Donbas in 2022. He tried to maneuver on all of Ukraine by taking Kiev and several other oblasts.

**** posting aside, do you honestly not understand why Trump is willing to engage with dictators the way he does? Mister think rationally? Do you really think he just worships dictators? Really? Is that really what you think?

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Teslag said:

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Agreed. A lot of the pro Russian posters here always casually hand wave away the pure hatred many Ukrainians have for Russians. **** like that isn't forgotten.

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There are zero pro Russian posters on this board.

Stop with this silly strawman and false dichotomy homie. You are better then that.

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There are quite a few pro Russian posters on this site.

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Not pro-Ukrainian does not equal pro-Russian.
The number of pro-Russian posters is very small. The number of not pro-Ukrainian posters and Americans in general grows everyday.

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If someone only blames one side while completely excusing the other they are most definitely pro one side.

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Frankly, that's a fair judgement. If you entirely excuse one side and go against the other -- like our MSM does against Russia -- that's a pro -stance. Those that blame Zelensky as just profit driven --that is also a pro stance.

The argument it is TWO corrupt countries fighting an installment of a conflict that like some Mideast ones is centuries old, that is not `pro' one or the other.

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Just because Ukraine was corrupt does not mean that they are in any way blameworthy for being invaded. The US has proven to be corrupt as hell too, and if Mexico invaded us, then they too would be in the wrong. Even if Russian was as virtuous and clean as the wind driven snow, they would be 100% in the wrong for invading Ukraine.

This war is 100% on Russia.

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rgag12 said:

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GAC06 said:

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Teslag said:

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Agreed. A lot of the pro Russian posters here always casually hand wave away the pure hatred many Ukrainians have for Russians. **** like that isn't forgotten.

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There are zero pro Russian posters on this board.

Stop with this silly strawman and false dichotomy homie. You are better then that.

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There are quite a few pro Russian posters on this site.

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Not pro-Ukrainian does not equal pro-Russian.
The number of pro-Russian posters is very small. The number of not pro-Ukrainian posters and Americans in general grows everyday.

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If someone only blames one side while completely excusing the other they are most definitely pro one side.

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Frankly, that's a fair judgement. If you entirely excuse one side and go against the other -- like our MSM does against Russia -- that's a pro -stance. Those that blame Zelensky as just profit driven --that is also a pro stance.

The argument it is TWO corrupt countries fighting an installment of a conflict that like some Mideast ones is centuries old, that is not `pro' one or the other.

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Just because Ukraine was corrupt does not mean that they are in any way blameworthy for being invaded. The US has proven to be corrupt as hell too, and if Mexico invaded us, then they too would be in the wrong. Even if Russian was as virtuous and clean as the wind driven snow, they would be 100% in the wrong for invading Ukraine.

This war is 100% on Russia.

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But he's been in office for 5 years on a 4 year term. Never mind that Putin has been in office for 25 years and poisons political rivals.

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Yep. I have to hope Trump's comments are just bluster to try and accelerate the negotiations from the Ukrainian side because if he actually believes what he posted…yikes.

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Have you been keeping up with the 25% tariffs on Mexico and Canada?

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Teslag said:

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Agreed. A lot of the pro Russian posters here always casually hand wave away the pure hatred many Ukrainians have for Russians. **** like that isn't forgotten.

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How many of them live in Donbas or Crimea?

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If this war were only about Donbas and Crimea it would have been over in 2022.

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Many people have suggested that Putin would have gladly taken those territories and stopped. But Blinken et al had 2 more years of grift planned and weren't ready to stop.

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Except that Putin didn't just invade the Donbas in 2022. He tried to maneuver on all of Ukraine by taking Kiev and several other oblasts.

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His strategy to win a long war and his willingness to accept a peace treaty with modest gains are two completely different things.

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A NATO country on Russia's doorstep gives NATO the obligation to Nuke Russia for any conflict between Ukraine and Russia.

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What? Just stop.