Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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So we're rewarding Russia for taking Ukrainian soil?

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Do some research. Had the U.S.A. not broken their promise to grow NATO back in 1994, none of this would ever have happened. But after breaking their promise, NATO grew by 11 countries. Then several years ago, the U.S. decided to break another agreement regarding the ABM treaty, leaving it, then putting Anti Ballistic Missiles batteries in those NATO nations bordering Russia.
Then the talk of adding the Ukraine to NATO. I'm pretty certain Russia acted to protect itself.

samurai_science said:

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Teslag said:

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Also, I don't see anyone here saying that it would be a good idea to let Russia take Kiev. Pretty much the whole country was aligned about stopping that.

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There are several here who have quite literally said they want to see this happen.

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Who cares what posters say? JFC

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People posting on a message board for starters

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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So we're rewarding Russia for taking Ukrainian soil?

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If we or europe are unwilling to put our militaries into the fight, then yes. I don't think anyone outside ukriane is actually willing to put boots on the ground in ukraine and therefore Russia will get the land they have gained.

The ukes cannot push them out.

But he looked so convincing when he came to congress in his field combat attire.

W said:

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Vietnam is one of the U.S.'s biggest trade partners

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Vietnam wasn't our soil.

Who?mikejones! said:

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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So we're rewarding Russia for taking Ukrainian soil?

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If we or europe are unwilling to out our militaries into the fight, then yes. I don't think anyone outside ukriane is actually willing to put boots on the ground in ukraine and therefore Russia will get the land they have gained.

The ukes cannot push them out.

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Yep, at this stage it's either get peace now and make Putin a winner of the treaty or don't get peace and give Putin terms to dictate unconditional surrender.

The war currently is like an average heavyweight boxer versus a midget. You can the midget all the best equipment and boxing training in the world, but they're still going to lose, because they're a midget.

BusterAg said:

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Old McDonald said:

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what a crazy coincidence that one month into trump's presidency russia and putin are about to get everything they wanted when they invaded their sovereign neighbor!

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Pretty sure Russia won't get Kiev, which is what Putin really wanted.

You going on the record to say that Russia will be handed over the keys to Kiev by Trump, because that is what you are implying.

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Is it? Because his partial mobilization, and words since the SMO began have not indicated that.

You may be wondering… why won’t Zelensky just hold elections?

Answer: Because he would lose. Badly.

He’s a power and money hungry dictator. https://t.co/8LGTjjqY5p pic.twitter.com/gvLBERvRTc

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) February 19, 2025

I think what's happened is that since Trump defunded USAID and the attendant media outlets/censorship regimes, truth is getting out. Ukraine does not have freedom of speech, religion, commerce, travel, or political parties. This 'battle for democracy/freedom' is hardly that, and hasn't been.

Zelensky's been going hard after his political rivals this month, likely anticipating a difficult task to remain in power, which is also why he is mouthing off about how he can't be replaced right now.

Some of the usual vague mis-statements are being made now I see, but for the record I've always maintained the safest course of action was for the Russians to perceive they were winning/hitting their objectives (which they have for the vast majority of the war), for America, as in that case they would be unlikely to escalate otherwise (nukes, other countries etc). I haven't seen any posters advocating they literally want Russians to take Kiev, but whatever. I just don't care who runs the place as long as it's not on my dime/threatening America.

Teslag said:

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TxSquarebody said:

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Only a sovereign nation for as long as they can keep it.

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Isn't that what they are being demonized for trying to do?

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THEY were doing it?? With their money and resources??

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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So we're rewarding Russia for taking Ukrainian soil?

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In 1957 President Eisenhower forced Israel to retreat from the Sinai Desert and the GAZA STRIP after being subject to a defensive war

this is what happens when you are in a mid major conference and not the SEC

Old McDonald said:

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what a crazy coincidence that one month into trump's presidency russia and putin are about to get everything they wanted when they invaded their sovereign neighbor!

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Russia gets all mineral rights in Ukraine, shore access and poppet dictator

Russia helps us get Greenland and Canada.

Minerals for everyone

TxSquarebody said:

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Teslag said:

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TxSquarebody said:

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Only a sovereign nation for as long as they can keep it.

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Isn't that what they are being demonized for trying to do?

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THEY were doing it?? With their money and resources??

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Yes for the first 5 months of the war, when they turned back the original Russian invasion.

2023NCAggies said:

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Old McDonald said:

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what a crazy coincidence that one month into trump's presidency russia and putin are about to get everything they wanted when they invaded their sovereign neighbor!

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Russia gets all mineral rights in Ukraine, shore access and poppet dictator

Russia helps us get Greenland and Canada.

Minerals for everyone

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Right now Russia controls a far eastern part of Ukraine. For them to get all of Ukraine's minerals it will result in a massive loss of lives, even if we stop aiding Ukraine. It's complete naivety to think Ukrainians in the central and western parts will simply lay down for Russia. Many would rather die in insurgency. They loathe Russians in those areas

Who?mikejones! said:

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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So we're rewarding Russia for taking Ukrainian soil?

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If we or europe are unwilling to put our militaries into the fight, then yes. I don't think anyone outside ukriane is actually willing to put boots on the ground in ukraine and therefore Russia will get the land they have gained.

The ukes cannot push them out.

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What about Japan, or China, or Canada, or Australia? Why are they off the hook here?

Rome didn't do real well when it tried to continue to expand its empire when it couldn't afford to pay its bills at home.

Want to know why Trump called Zelensky a Dictator? Here are the FACTS:

He’s in year 6 of his 5 year term

Declared martial law Feb 2022 and has banned elections since then

Banned 11 political parties

Passed law in 2022 to censor journalists and combined all news into 1 gov’t…

— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) February 19, 2025

DC Draino: "Want to know why Trump called Zelensky a Dictator? Here are the FACTS:

He's in year 6 of his 5 year term

Declared martial law Feb 2022 and has banned elections since then

Banned 11 political parties

Passed law in 2022 to censor journalists and combined all news into 1 gov't station

Journalists investigating his corruption get conscripted and thrown on the front lines to die

Even Saddam Hussein held elections!"

Urban Ag said:

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Old McDonald said:

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Aglaw97 said:

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Old McDonald said:

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what a crazy coincidence that one month into trump's presidency russia and putin are about to get everything they wanted when they invaded their sovereign neighbor!

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Your understanding of foreign diplomacy would embarrass a first grader.

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spare me. the trump admin has ideologically realigned the republican party to support russia and oppose europe because they strive to emulate the former's style of governance. reagan is rolling in his grave.

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LOL

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Yeah, he's putting words in our mouths.

At the beginning of this war, I supported the ukes 100%. I was happy that we were giving support to them, especially older weapons. It doesnt even bother me we gave them money as it was a pretty good return on our investment to show the illegitimatcy of russia's mulitary prowless.

However, it's clear this war needs to end and that doesn't happen without Russia keeping the land it has conquered. Perhaps there can be a land swap with what Ukraine holds in kursk

I think 100% of this war is on putin. Theres 0 circumstance that was on the table which could have justified this invasion, now or in 2014. But unless us and the europeans are willing to send our own men to fight, this war will not end in a Ukrainian victory. Its mostly a draw now and will be so a year from now, at best.

And yes, the people in Carolina, Maui, and California deserve the money sent to ukriane first, before we burn it in ukraine

Wes97 said:

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I really don't understand why some of you are so concerned with which dictator rules eastern Ukraine. The old KGB boogeyman one or the track suit wearing gangster version. Neither one is worth spending one more US $.

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We may never agree on another thing for the rest of our lives, but agreed 100% here.

BusterAg said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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So we're rewarding Russia for taking Ukrainian soil?

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If we or europe are unwilling to put our militaries into the fight, then yes. I don't think anyone outside ukriane is actually willing to put boots on the ground in ukraine and therefore Russia will get the land they have gained.

The ukes cannot push them out.

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What about Japan, or China, or Canada, or Australia? Why are they off the hook here?

Rome didn't do real well when it tried to continue to expand its empire when it couldn't afford to pay its bills at home.

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Why would Japan, China, Canada, or Australia care enough to send troops any more about Ukraine than they do Zimbabwe? (aside from possibly placating the U.S.)

Haha

titan said:

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BusterAg said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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So we're rewarding Russia for taking Ukrainian soil?

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If we or europe are unwilling to put our militaries into the fight, then yes. I don't think anyone outside ukriane is actually willing to put boots on the ground in ukraine and therefore Russia will get the land they have gained.

The ukes cannot push them out.

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What about Japan, or China, or Canada, or Australia? Why are they off the hook here?

Rome didn't do real well when it tried to continue to expand its empire when it couldn't afford to pay its bills at home.

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Why would Japan, China, Canada, or Australia care enough to send troops any more about Ukraine than they do Zimbabwe? (aside from possibly placating the U.S.)

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That's the point.

Why should we care? Why are we the one letting Russia take over Ukraine. It's a big earth.

Yukon Cornelius said:

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I predict Zelensky will be hung by Ukrainians when all is said and done.

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Ya, I bet they are really pissed he didn't surrender

Old McDonald said:

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what a crazy coincidence that one month into trump's presidency russia and putin are about to get everything they wanted when they invaded their sovereign neighbor!

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And yet Putin only invaded ukraine when we had democrats in power.
And predictably democrat leaders sat by like eunuchs and watched it happen. So who's really Putin's friend?

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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So we're rewarding Russia for taking Ukrainian soil?

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Feel free to send 40% of your income to Ukraine.
Better still, since you feel so strongly, go there and fight.

the rest of us are tired of propping corrupt leaders.

Old McDonald said:

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Aglaw97 said:

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Old McDonald said:

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what a crazy coincidence that one month into trump's presidency russia and putin are about to get everything they wanted when they invaded their sovereign neighbor!

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Your understanding of foreign diplomacy would embarrass a first grader.

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spare me. the trump admin has ideologically realigned the republican party to support russia and oppose europe because they strive to emulate the former's style of governance. reagan is rolling in his grave.

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I rest my case

Yukon Cornelius said:

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I predict Zelensky will be hung by Ukrainians when all is said and done.

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He's got some nice pads in places like Italy. He's got a lot of people mad at him though, and not just in Ukraine. Ukrainian/Russian mobsters are not known to have short memories.