AggielandPoultry said:

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I know at least 10 men getting big $$$$$$ from "MILITARY" disability and it's all bull ***** 100% due to por life choices.

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whats your rating o wait you didnt serve you just like your freedoms and ***** about those who put their ass on the line for you just say thank you for your service and sit down

Ag_SGT said:

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Don't pretend a bunch of the comments have steered away from property taxes to complaining about Veterans disability compensation

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Well, you didn't respond to a specific post so I assumed you were talking about the topic at hand. Mea culpa.

I'm sure there is fraud in the VA disability program, but I don't have evidence other than it is a big fed gov program so odds are high. I don't know how disability ratings transfer to ability to work.

The only anecdotal evidence I know is that my BIL has a disabled vet license plate, so he's at least 50% disabled rating, and he was career AF as a respiratory tech. That's always been a head scratcher, but who knows, maybe he hurt his back lifting equipment or people in a base hospital in Afghanistan. Not my business, so I don't ask.

While I agree that you are owed for injury, reduced life span, quality of life issues, etc., connected to your service, those are owed by the Federal Government, who was your employer. The state of Texas was not

I agree 100%. When the State of Texas secedes and forms their own standing Army, I hope we make all Texas soldiers whole after we send them to war

gkaggie08 said:

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While I agree that you are owed for injury, reduced life span, quality of life issues, etc., connected to your service, those are owed by the Federal Government, who was your employer. The state of Texas was not

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Agreed

gkaggie08 said:

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I'm sure there is fraud in the VA disability program, but I don't have evidence other than it is a big fed gov program so odds are high. I don't know how disability ratings transfer to ability to work.

The only anecdotal evidence I know is that my BIL has a disabled vet license plate, so he's at least 50% disabled rating, and he was career AF as a respiratory tech. That's always been a head scratcher, but who knows, maybe he hurt his back lifting equipment or people in a base hospital in Afghanistan. Not my business, so I don't ask.

While I agree that you are owed for injury, reduced life span, quality of life issues, etc., connected to your service, those are owed by the Federal Government, who was your employer. The state of Texas was not

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A respiratory tech at Bagram would see a lot of death depending on when he was there. Probably see a lot of young men in really bad shape. We see a lot of PTSD cases from folks in role 1 and 2 medical centers in forward areas. It's a tough job mentally and many had to see it every day. It's tough on those guys and often no relief. Just to get through that they have it compartmentalize that mental trauma. It eventually works its way out in less than perfect ways.

He said he hurt his back, he doesn't have PTSD.

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First, assessment increases are supposed to be capped at 10% but my country hits me with 20% every year and when I protest it, they say OK we will hook you up and only increase your assessment by 10%. Well no shlt, that is the max you can increase it by law!!! Why do I have to contest it and stop pretending you are doing me a favor.

The rub is, disabled vets don't care what their assessment is,because they don't pay the tax. So they increase their assessment 20% and no protest. But next year, my assessment is based on market value based on that disabled vets non protested assessment from last year.

It's all bullcrap.

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Same goes for freezing property taxes for the old folks. They don't protest and our "comps" go up every year.

A 50% back rating requires almost near immobilization with clinical diagnosis. It's entirely possibly he's not telling you all he has. And many people with mental health ratings do not like to share them.

Teslag said:

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A 50% back rating requires almost near immobilization with clinical diagnosis. It's entirely possibly he's not telling you all he has. And many people with mental health ratings do not like to share them.

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I could have claimed PTSD long ago, but I didn't want to have that label on me or the stigma associated with it. add to that, one of my more valuable assets is my security clearance. I was always worried that if I got a rating due to PTSD that I would lose my clearance

Ok, whatever. You know every serviceman better than any of us civilians. But you don't know my sister. If you did, you would know that her siblings would all be very aware if her husband had any kind of mental illness at all.

We're going to have to agree to disagree here

gkaggie08 said:

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I'm sure there is fraud in the VA disability program, but I don't have evidence other than it is a big fed gov program so odds are high. I don't know how disability ratings transfer to ability to work.

The only anecdotal evidence I know is that my BIL has a disabled vet license plate, so he's at least 50% disabled rating, and he was career AF as a respiratory tech. That's always been a head scratcher, but who knows, maybe he hurt his back lifting equipment or people in a base hospital in Afghanistan. Not my business, so I don't ask.

While I agree that you are owed for injury, reduced life span, quality of life issues, etc., connected to your service, those are owed by the Federal Government, who was your employer. The state of Texas was not

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The state of Texas has determined that they value veterans' service and sacrifice above and beyond what the federal government does, and has offered veterans benefits above and beyond the VA. The tax exemption is one of them, and there are further benefits through the Texas Veterans Land Board, the TVC, and others.

Part of that is gratitude. Part of that is attracting veterans, their families, their businesses, and their money to the state. Texas provides a significant amount of service members to the military, and it is a popular destination for military vets and retirees, and all the money, the program funding, and the resources that they bring to the state.

PTSD is not disqualifying for a clearance. If you have PTSD, you should get seen, get rated, and get help.

maverick2076 said:

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PTSD is not disqualifying for a clearance. If you have PTSD, you should get seen, get rated, and get help.

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I know that now but for years we were told it was. I am now currently having that treated

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Ok, whatever. You know every serviceman better than any of us civilians. But you don't know my sister. If you did, you would know that her siblings would all be very aware if her husband had any kind of mental illness at all.

We're going to have to agree to disagree here

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It's not about whether he knows every service member. He knows how VA ratings work. For the most part, they are pretty black and white. They are also public knowledge, so you can look it up for yourself. In fact, here's a link for the entire schedule of ratings. Feel free to look it up for yourself and see if what he is saying about back injury is true.

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-38/chapter-I/part-4

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maverick2076 said:

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PTSD is not disqualifying for a clearance. If you have PTSD, you should get seen, get rated, and get help.

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I know that now but for years we were told it was. I am now currently having that treated

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Good. We served under a stigma against seeking help for mental health, and it led to so many bad outcomes. In my last few years in I worked really hard to try to break that stigma for my troops, but that is a tough wall to climb.

The 2025 federal budget sent about 6% for Veterans benefits and services. The total amount spent on all VA disability payments is about 2.5% of the federal budget.

There are many many veterans who have service connected disabilities that are not compensated for, as it's a difficult process to go through. The supposed gravy train with all these "huge" payments are few and far between.

Some may game the system. Most don't, even after all the anecdotal stories.

JFC, you guys are the energizer bunny when anyone disagrees with ANYTHING vet related. My BIL had to stop his handyman business after a couple years because he said it was killing his back, which he hurt while in the AF. I'm sure he may have a tweaked knee, tennis elbow, or a multitude of other physical ailments that we aren't going to talk about while sipping eggnog at Christmas. My response to Tesla was that my BIL does not have PTSD.

Some of you really get your defenses up if someone disagrees with any program, benefit, etc for veterans.

I'm not going to abandon my conservative principles because whatever goes through a legislative body has a 'disabled veteran' label slapped on it. I've stated in previous posts that veterans deserve additional benefits due to circumstances of their service.

Don't get on your GD soapbox and talk down to every other poster on this board every time a NEW benefit is debated.

Hey Nav said:

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The 2025 federal budget sent about 6% for Veterans benefits and services. The total amount spent on all VA disability payments is about 2.5% of the federal budget.

There are many many veterans who have service connected disabilities that are not compensated for, as it's a difficult process to go through. The supposed gravy train with all these "huge" payments are few and far between.

Some may game the system. Most don't, even after all the anecdotal stories.

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Exactly, getting through the VA system to get a disability claim is ridiculously difficult. I tried to do my claim on my own for a year and was denied but once I hired someone out of pocket who is far more familiar with the process it got approved within 6 months

gkaggie08 said:

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you guys are the energizer bunny when anyone disagrees with ANYTHING vet related. My BIL had to stop his handyman business after a couple years because he said it was killing his back, which he hurt while in the AF. I'm sure he may have a tweaked knee, tennis elbow, or a multitude of other physical ailments that we aren't going to talk about while sipping eggnog at Christmas. My response to Tesla was that my BIL does not have PTSD.

Some of you really get your defenses up if someone disagrees with any program, benefit, etc for veterans.

I'm not going to abandon my conservative principles because whatever goes through a legislative body has a 'disabled veteran' label slapped on it. I've stated in previous posts that veterans deserve additional benefits due to circumstances of their service.

Don't get on your GD soapbox and talk down to every other poster on this board every time a NEW benefit is debated.

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There's are legal practices built around helping service members get disability payments. There are entire message boards where service members and vets talk about exactly what you need to do to "prove" certain ailments. VA doctors will tell you how to answer questions to qualify certain ailments. Vet orgs will tell you how to game the system.

And yes, vets get very defensive when you dare question the system. Everyone wants to get what's theirs, whether ethically or not, whether honestly or not, whether legally or not.

Teslag said:

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You don't know **** unless you've seen their medical records

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true but the sentiment is correct.

redcrayon said:

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gkaggie08 said:

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you guys are the energizer bunny when anyone disagrees with ANYTHING vet related. My BIL had to stop his handyman business after a couple years because he said it was killing his back, which he hurt while in the AF. I'm sure he may have a tweaked knee, tennis elbow, or a multitude of other physical ailments that we aren't going to talk about while sipping eggnog at Christmas. My response to Tesla was that my BIL does not have PTSD.

Some of you really get your defenses up if someone disagrees with any program, benefit, etc for veterans.

I'm not going to abandon my conservative principles because whatever goes through a legislative body has a 'disabled veteran' label slapped on it. I've stated in previous posts that veterans deserve additional benefits due to circumstances of their service.

Don't get on your GD soapbox and talk down to every other poster on this board every time a NEW benefit is debated.

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There's are legal practices built around helping service members get disability payments. There are entire message boards where service members and vets talk about exactly what you need to do to "prove" certain ailments. VA doctors will tell you how to answer questions to qualify certain ailments. Vet orgs will tell you how to game the system.

And yes, vets get very defensive when you dare question the system. Everyone wants to get what's theirs, whether ethically or not, whether honestly or not, whether legally or not.

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Every doctor I had at the VA has told me that their job isn't to tell us how to get VA disability, they've always said that is for an outside provider to do.

redcrayon said:

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gkaggie08 said:

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you guys are the energizer bunny when anyone disagrees with ANYTHING vet related. My BIL had to stop his handyman business after a couple years because he said it was killing his back, which he hurt while in the AF. I'm sure he may have a tweaked knee, tennis elbow, or a multitude of other physical ailments that we aren't going to talk about while sipping eggnog at Christmas. My response to Tesla was that my BIL does not have PTSD.

Some of you really get your defenses up if someone disagrees with any program, benefit, etc for veterans.

I'm not going to abandon my conservative principles because whatever goes through a legislative body has a 'disabled veteran' label slapped on it. I've stated in previous posts that veterans deserve additional benefits due to circumstances of their service.

Don't get on your GD soapbox and talk down to every other poster on this board every time a NEW benefit is debated.

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There's are legal practices built around helping service members get disability payments. There are entire message boards where service members and vets talk about exactly what you need to do to "prove" certain ailments. VA doctors will tell you how to answer questions to qualify certain ailments. Vet orgs will tell you how to game the system.

And yes, vets get very defensive when you dare question the system. Everyone wants to get what's theirs, whether ethically or not, whether honestly or not, whether legally or not.

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Some vets get defensive. There are many that deserve every penny they get. There are also many, like me, who think the system is hard broke and paying out to guys who destroyed their knees playing softball in a downtown league.

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There's are legal practices built around helping service members get disability payments. There are entire message boards where service members and vets talk about exactly what you need to do to "prove" certain ailments. VA doctors will tell you how to answer questions to qualify certain ailments. Vet orgs will tell you how to game the system.

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Yep. Lots of advertisements for that sort or thing.

I've wondered how much of the money awarded for disabilities was due to these lawyers. They don't take on cases unless it's a slam dunk , and they take a big chunk of the award as payments. Not a big fan of this - wish the lawyers were "regulated" as to their payments for these services.

"Vet orgs will tell you how to game the system" is mostly "Vet orgs will assist you in dealing with the brick wall that is the VA and assist in pointing out all the rules and regulations". Would love to hear about Vet orgs that help game the system.

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There's are legal practices built around helping service members get disability payments. There are entire message boards where service members and vets talk about exactly what you need to do to "prove" certain ailments. VA doctors will tell you how to answer questions to qualify certain ailments. Vet orgs will tell you how to game the system.

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Yep. Lots of advertisements for that sort or thing.

I've wondered how much of the money awarded for disabilities was due to these lawyers. They don't take on cases unless it's a slam dunk , and they take a big chunk of the award as payments. Not a big fan of this - wish the lawyers were "regulated" as to their payments for these services.

"Vet orgs will tell you how to game the system" is mostly "Vet orgs will assist you in dealing with the brick wall that is the VA and assist in pointing out all the rules and regulations". Would love to hear about Vet orgs that help game the system.

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For me it was 5 months of my disability went back to the company that got my paperwork thru

I think we can all agree that there are vets, some posting on this thread, not all, that think they're the crew from Armageddon

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I've never served. I wasn't willing to make the sacrifice. Most on these forums would consider me "liberal", although on the political ruler I probably hit just a hair left of 6. That said, if a veteran who served in any capacity has been deemed to be disabled because of their service, I am in no position to judge, and believe they are entitled to the full amount of benefits they were awarded.

My father-in-law is deaf in one ear due to a grenade accident that happened while he was a drill sergeant at Fort Leonard Wood in 1970. He never applied for disability and therefore never got it. That's on him. But I wouldn't be upset if he did. Was it combat? No. But he was training young men to go to war, and more importantly, come home from war. Had he applied, he damn sure deserved it. It didn't bother him much at 23. Today, at 78, it definitely affects his quality of life.

If we are complaining about benefits being paid to our veterans, we've definitely regressed as a society.

The Marxists in our society have to be thrilled the public has turned on supporting the Police and Military

Nobody is complaining about valid VA disability payments, there are a few posters concerned about fraud/gaming the system. This thread is about a proposed law for new property tax exemptions. But thanks for your overt 'I'm liberal, but I back the troops' post

Ag_SGT said:

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The Marxists in our society have to be thrilled the public has turned on supporting the Police and Military

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And the fact that we all shout from the rafters about "Backing the Blue", and then condescendingly sneer at the Capitol Police from 1/6/21 like they were undeserving agents of the "deep state" makes my skin crawl.

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So widespread abuse of disability... So what do we do? Let's cut their taxes even more! Effective tax hike for everyone else! Hooray!

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How widespread do you think it is?

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It's extremely widespread. I don't necessarily blame those who go out and claim disability for things like sleep apnea and other "injuries" that are in no way unique to the service of your country, but I certainly wouldn't be proud of it. There are plenty of 100% disabled veterans who never left an office in DC and are working 6 figure jobs and parking in handicap spots at the gym.

Quit trying to derail the thread. We are talking about vets and property taxes

Point us to the numbers of folks getting disability payments that are rated at 100% that never left an office in DC

gkaggie08 said:

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Nobody is complaining about valid VA disability payments, there are a few posters concerned about fraud/gaming the system. This thread is about a proposed law for new property tax exemptions. But thanks for your overt 'I'm liberal, but I back the troops' post

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It doesn't surprise me at all that you would consider an independent centrist a "liberal". More the pity. That's why we're so self destructively divided as a country. I'm too liberal for you and too conservative for the left. In reality, I'm a patriot, proud to live in the greatest country on earth, but never ashamed to admit we can always improve. I don't worship at the alter of politics and will never wave a red or blue pom pom because this ain't a game.