Assassination is in the hands of Shane Stevens grandson of Billie Sol Estes
Billie Sol Estes Tapes of LBJ Plotting JFK
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Last: 8 mo ago by lexofer
At what minute do we hear LBJ?
yikes
interesting story
interesting story
A few problems I have
1) Post a few bullet points with or without a timestamp, it's a 26 min video.
2) Did Shane really claim they created the DNC in the mid 1900's??? If so that guy is about 100 years off...after that I honestly don't care to research any more of the talking points. The first permanent headquarters were created around 1930, but still.
Checked out before a full 2 minutes had elapsed.
ETA: When it comes to theories that haven't been fully proven, I've completely checked out. Epstein, JFK, Ballot Box 13, where is Carmen Sandiego, whatever...we're never going to get the full story.
1) Post a few bullet points with or without a timestamp, it's a 26 min video.
2) Did Shane really claim they created the DNC in the mid 1900's??? If so that guy is about 100 years off...after that I honestly don't care to research any more of the talking points. The first permanent headquarters were created around 1930, but still.
Checked out before a full 2 minutes had elapsed.
ETA: When it comes to theories that haven't been fully proven, I've completely checked out. Epstein, JFK, Ballot Box 13, where is Carmen Sandiego, whatever...we're never going to get the full story.
This video features Shane Stevens, who claims to have come into possession of an old audio recording between his grandfather (Billy Sol Estes), Cliff Carter (a top aide to Lyndon B. Johnson), and others allegedly involved in a conspiracy to assassinate JFK.
Stevens says his grandfather was LBJ's "bagman" and close associate, and that LBJ issued an order to assassinate JFK, which was allegedly carried out with the help of Malcolm "Mac" Wallace, LBJ's alleged hitman. The tape is said to include Carter expressing guilt and confirming LBJ's involvement.
According to Stevens, his family had long feared going public with the tape due to potential repercussions. He claims the tape was recorded around 1971, after his grandfather was released from prison, and that Cliff Carter died shortly afterward.
He suggests a broader Texas power syndicate, including oil men, politicians, and law enforcement, were involved in the cover-up or benefited from it. He also believes Lee Harvey Oswald was a CIA asset and not the actual shooter.
Key Takeaways & Claims
Alleged Recording:
The core evidence is a Panasonic mini-cassette tape of a conversation between Billy Sol Estes and Cliff Carter, where Carter allegedly says LBJ ordered JFK's assassination.
LBJ's Involvement:
The claim is that Lyndon B. Johnson orchestrated the hit due to political tensions with the Kennedy family, with a power base in Texas involving oil interests and political corruption.
The Hitman - Malcolm Wallace:
Referred to as "Mac," he is alleged to have been one of the actual shooters or deeply involved in the operation.
Cover-Up & Blackmail:
Stevens' grandfather speaks of being blackmailed and mentions multiple people being killed ("17 got killed in this situation very mysteriously"), suggesting a systematic cover-up.
Recording's Chain of Custody:
The tape was allegedly kept hidden in a family safe since the 2010s, passed from Daryl Bright (another family member) to Stevens' brother.
Potential Repentance & Spiritual Motivation:
Stevens claims he felt compelled by God to release the tape now and believes national healing requires confronting historical corruption.
Conspiracy Legacy:
He draws a connection between this alleged coup and broader distrust in U.S. institutions, implying this cover-up set the stage for decades of deceit.
Notes on Veracity
Highly Controversial: The claims made here go far beyond accepted historical accounts and are firmly in the realm of conspiracy theory, even though they cite real names and historical figures.
No Forensic Verification: There is no mention of voice authentication, date verification, or external expert validation of the tape.
Timing: The conversation allegedly took place years after the assassination (1971), which complicates the relevance as direct evidence.
Final Thoughts
Whether you believe this or not, this story ties into one of the most infamous and enduring conspiracy theories in American history - the idea that JFK's assassination was an inside job involving high-level political actors.
Stevens says his grandfather was LBJ's "bagman" and close associate, and that LBJ issued an order to assassinate JFK, which was allegedly carried out with the help of Malcolm "Mac" Wallace, LBJ's alleged hitman. The tape is said to include Carter expressing guilt and confirming LBJ's involvement.
According to Stevens, his family had long feared going public with the tape due to potential repercussions. He claims the tape was recorded around 1971, after his grandfather was released from prison, and that Cliff Carter died shortly afterward.
He suggests a broader Texas power syndicate, including oil men, politicians, and law enforcement, were involved in the cover-up or benefited from it. He also believes Lee Harvey Oswald was a CIA asset and not the actual shooter.
Key Takeaways & Claims
Alleged Recording:
The core evidence is a Panasonic mini-cassette tape of a conversation between Billy Sol Estes and Cliff Carter, where Carter allegedly says LBJ ordered JFK's assassination.
LBJ's Involvement:
The claim is that Lyndon B. Johnson orchestrated the hit due to political tensions with the Kennedy family, with a power base in Texas involving oil interests and political corruption.
The Hitman - Malcolm Wallace:
Referred to as "Mac," he is alleged to have been one of the actual shooters or deeply involved in the operation.
Cover-Up & Blackmail:
Stevens' grandfather speaks of being blackmailed and mentions multiple people being killed ("17 got killed in this situation very mysteriously"), suggesting a systematic cover-up.
Recording's Chain of Custody:
The tape was allegedly kept hidden in a family safe since the 2010s, passed from Daryl Bright (another family member) to Stevens' brother.
Potential Repentance & Spiritual Motivation:
Stevens claims he felt compelled by God to release the tape now and believes national healing requires confronting historical corruption.
Conspiracy Legacy:
He draws a connection between this alleged coup and broader distrust in U.S. institutions, implying this cover-up set the stage for decades of deceit.
Notes on Veracity
Highly Controversial: The claims made here go far beyond accepted historical accounts and are firmly in the realm of conspiracy theory, even though they cite real names and historical figures.
No Forensic Verification: There is no mention of voice authentication, date verification, or external expert validation of the tape.
Timing: The conversation allegedly took place years after the assassination (1971), which complicates the relevance as direct evidence.
Final Thoughts
Whether you believe this or not, this story ties into one of the most infamous and enduring conspiracy theories in American history - the idea that JFK's assassination was an inside job involving high-level political actors.
Ive believed for a longtime LBJ killed Kennedy. I mean LBJ wasn't getting elected as president. The guy would do anything for power.
Does anybody here think he would have any issue knocking off JFK to become president?
I know pulling this off would have been difficult but Kennedy had a lot of enemies.
Does anybody here think he would have any issue knocking off JFK to become president?
I know pulling this off would have been difficult but Kennedy had a lot of enemies.
What kind of idiot would record such a conversation?
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1. Billy Sol Estes and His Connection to Lyndon B. Johnson (LBJ)
Billy Sol Estes was a Texas businessman notorious for his involvement in fraudulent agricultural schemes during the late 1950s and early 1960s. His operations included scams related to federal agricultural subsidies, notably involving non-existent crops of cotton.
Estes had associations with prominent political figures, including then-Senator Lyndon B. Johnson. Their relationship has been a subject of speculation, especially after Estes's legal troubles became public. Some sources suggest that Johnson's aides had interactions with Estes, but the depth and nature of Johnson's direct involvement remain debated.
2. Malcolm "Mac" Wallace and Allegations of Involvement in the JFK Assassination
Malcolm Everett "Mac" Wallace was an economist and political operative from Texas. He had known connections to LBJ, notably through a scandal in 1951 where Wallace was convicted of murdering John Kinser, a man allegedly involved with Johnson's sister, Josefa. Despite being found guilty, Wallace received a five-year suspended sentence, leading to suspicions about his political protection.
In the 1980s, Billie Sol Estes alleged that Wallace was involved in multiple murders orchestrated by Johnson, including the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Estes claimed that Wallace fired shots from the Texas School Book Depository on November 22, 1963. However, these allegations have been met with skepticism, and no conclusive evidence has been presented to substantiate Wallace's involvement in the assassination.
3. Cliff Carter's Role
Cliff Carter was a close aide to LBJ, serving as an intermediary in various political dealings. While Carter's name appears in discussions about Johnson's political maneuvers, there is limited public information directly linking him to criminal activities. The transcript you provided suggests a deeper involvement, but these claims are primarily based on anecdotal accounts and lack corroborative evidence.
4. The Alleged Audio Recording
The transcript references an audio recording where Cliff Carter purportedly admits to LBJ's involvement in JFK's assassination. Such a recording, if authentic, would be significant. However, without forensic analysis and verification by credible authorities, its authenticity remains unproven.
5. Lee Harvey Oswald's Alleged Role as a CIA Asset
The notion that Lee Harvey Oswald was a CIA asset and not the actual shooter is a recurring theme in various conspiracy theories. Official investigations, including the Warren Commission, concluded that Oswald acted alone in assassinating President Kennedy. While alternative theories exist, they have not been substantiated by credible evidence.
Conclusion
The claims presented in the transcript align with longstanding conspiracy theories surrounding the JFK assassination. While they introduce intriguing narratives, it's essential to approach them critically, considering the lack of verifiable evidence and the potential biases of the sources involved.
Billy Sol Estes was a Texas businessman notorious for his involvement in fraudulent agricultural schemes during the late 1950s and early 1960s. His operations included scams related to federal agricultural subsidies, notably involving non-existent crops of cotton.
Estes had associations with prominent political figures, including then-Senator Lyndon B. Johnson. Their relationship has been a subject of speculation, especially after Estes's legal troubles became public. Some sources suggest that Johnson's aides had interactions with Estes, but the depth and nature of Johnson's direct involvement remain debated.
2. Malcolm "Mac" Wallace and Allegations of Involvement in the JFK Assassination
Malcolm Everett "Mac" Wallace was an economist and political operative from Texas. He had known connections to LBJ, notably through a scandal in 1951 where Wallace was convicted of murdering John Kinser, a man allegedly involved with Johnson's sister, Josefa. Despite being found guilty, Wallace received a five-year suspended sentence, leading to suspicions about his political protection.
In the 1980s, Billie Sol Estes alleged that Wallace was involved in multiple murders orchestrated by Johnson, including the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Estes claimed that Wallace fired shots from the Texas School Book Depository on November 22, 1963. However, these allegations have been met with skepticism, and no conclusive evidence has been presented to substantiate Wallace's involvement in the assassination.
3. Cliff Carter's Role
Cliff Carter was a close aide to LBJ, serving as an intermediary in various political dealings. While Carter's name appears in discussions about Johnson's political maneuvers, there is limited public information directly linking him to criminal activities. The transcript you provided suggests a deeper involvement, but these claims are primarily based on anecdotal accounts and lack corroborative evidence.
4. The Alleged Audio Recording
The transcript references an audio recording where Cliff Carter purportedly admits to LBJ's involvement in JFK's assassination. Such a recording, if authentic, would be significant. However, without forensic analysis and verification by credible authorities, its authenticity remains unproven.
5. Lee Harvey Oswald's Alleged Role as a CIA Asset
The notion that Lee Harvey Oswald was a CIA asset and not the actual shooter is a recurring theme in various conspiracy theories. Official investigations, including the Warren Commission, concluded that Oswald acted alone in assassinating President Kennedy. While alternative theories exist, they have not been substantiated by credible evidence.
Conclusion
The claims presented in the transcript align with longstanding conspiracy theories surrounding the JFK assassination. While they introduce intriguing narratives, it's essential to approach them critically, considering the lack of verifiable evidence and the potential biases of the sources involved.
Nixonagsalaska said:
What kind of idiot would record such a conversation?
Long lost relative i am sure
I am not a supporter of the single gunman scenario. And Billy did make accusations about LBJ and Mac Wallace killing a pretty long list of people.
But the guy has been shopping for a buyer for this for almost 8 years now and the idea that right out of prison a man would allow for something like this to be created strains credibility.
I think best case the tapes are correct in a few points but still not genuine.
But the guy has been shopping for a buyer for this for almost 8 years now and the idea that right out of prison a man would allow for something like this to be created strains credibility.
I think best case the tapes are correct in a few points but still not genuine.
There's a reason this got so little traction when it was released two months ago.
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This video is probably somewhat interesting to anyone who ever read "A Texan Looks at Lyndon," or Caro's "Path to Power."
The supposed grandson of Billy Sol Estes doesn't sound like he knows much that he hasn't read, other than the dubious claim that his grandfather was one of the richest and most powerful men in Texas before the Kennedy's took it away from him and gave his wealth to another Texas family in bankruptcy proceedings - his account being vague at best.
The recording does sound like two old Texans talking about Lyndon, with one trying to get the other to say something definitive, but that's about all I've got.
The supposed grandson of Billy Sol Estes doesn't sound like he knows much that he hasn't read, other than the dubious claim that his grandfather was one of the richest and most powerful men in Texas before the Kennedy's took it away from him and gave his wealth to another Texas family in bankruptcy proceedings - his account being vague at best.
The recording does sound like two old Texans talking about Lyndon, with one trying to get the other to say something definitive, but that's about all I've got.
LBJ told Nixon to do that...because it would help him with his memoirs.agsalaska said:
What kind of idiot would record such a conversation?
Billy Sol Estes in a story telling format.
Y'all need to read this book. Lays it all out
The JFK files are lining up nicely with this book.
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LBJ had him killed.
He then hand picked the Warren Commission to cover it up.
Give it a listen. pic.twitter.com/VAYsUUb9UE
LOL
Please tell us how the files are lining up with the book.
Can't wait until the MLK files are released and this history book also gets the credit it deserves!
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Please tell us how the files are lining up with the book.
Can't wait until the MLK files are released and this history book also gets the credit it deserves!
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Mini cassettes came out in '67 and micro cassettes came out in '69 so the 1971 timeline is still intact. We at least don't have an issue with proportional spaced fonts like with the Dan Rather forgeries.
Umm. Awkward. Family involved with some that. And the Sharps\town scandal.
The people I consider worth listening to on this topic
https://www.kennedysandking.com/
James DiEugenio
Paul Bleau
Lisa Pease
Vince Palamara
And if you want somebody that does his own work, is entertaining, and is great at summerizing the work of people above
Mark Groubert
There are others but you could spend a lot of time just with the names listed here.
https://www.kennedysandking.com/
James DiEugenio
Paul Bleau
Lisa Pease
Vince Palamara
And if you want somebody that does his own work, is entertaining, and is great at summerizing the work of people above
Mark Groubert
There are others but you could spend a lot of time just with the names listed here.
aggiehawg said:
Umm. Awkward. Family involved with some that. And the Sharps\town scandal.
We have another poster related to one of the victims of LBJ and Mac Wallace. Don't know if he ever wants to share his family's view on the murder or not. Im sure he will read this though.
Hope he decides to share.
You know a lot about other posters for having just signed up today for Texags!
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I drove by the Billie Sol Estes house in Pecos once.
Really makes you think.
Really makes you think.
Regardless of all of this, LBJ was a POS and a disgrace to our Great State.
My children's tutor is the niece of Kinser, the man Mac Wallace murdered. She has kept me up to date. The "google" and Wiki searches are mostly wrong on the situation. Her uncle was dating LBJ's sister. He was whacked by LBJ via Mac Wallace. All the public accounts say Kinser was having an affair with Wallace's wife. Wallace got caught and tried for murder and only sentenced for like 5 years of probation. Niece says the trial was a kangaroo court full of LBJ appointed lawyers.
Sharpshooter said:
Regardless of all of this, LBJ was a POS and a disgrace to our Great State.
I remember very little from my (mostly) worthless Poli Sci Degree but i do remember one of my upper courses where our Prof played us old secret recordings of LBJ in various meetings with Senators and government folks. various threats, strong arm tactics, and sociopathic stuff was on those
That SOB was was of the most corrupt people I've ever heard in real life. After hearing those I became convinced that he had something to do with Kennedy's assasination
I remember my father telling me that he voted for LBJ in 1964. He thought LBJ was so crooked that he could swindle the Russians and the Chinese.
Im Gipper said:
You know a lot about other posters for having just signed up today for Texags!
Yep.
Cowboy Curtis said:
My children's tutor is the niece of Kinser, the man Mac Wallace murdered. She has kept me up to date. The "google" and Wiki searches are mostly wrong on the situation. Her uncle was dating LBJ's sister. He was whacked by LBJ via Mac Wallace. All the public accounts say Kinser was having an affair with Wallace's wife. Wallace got caught and tried for murder and only sentenced for like 5 years of probation. Niece says the trial was a kangaroo court full of LBJ appointed lawyers.
Worth a listen for you then. Jump to the 17:38 mark to start the actual topic.
Never use the same handle on TigerDroppings that you use on TexAgs.
Holy ***** Spot on story!
Remember George Parr, Duval County Judge got dead people to vote for LBJ to get elected Senator. LBJ was crooked from the "get go".
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No matter what is said or discovered, we will never know exactly what happened. Too long ago and almost all the players are gone. We have been told so many stories over the years that it's almost impossible to know what is the truth when there are others that say something completely different. In my opinion, we have been told exactly what happened, but it is one of over 100 stories so it's impossible to know exactly what is correct. I think the movie Shooter was what happened. Oswald was on watch, and framed. The idea was to have him killed by Tippet. But that fell thru and Ruby did the job.
Did they play the recordings of LBJ ordering pants directly from Joe Haggar and directing him to give him a couple inches where his nuts hang all the way to his bunghole so it doesn't feel like he's riding a fence?TresPuertas said:Sharpshooter said:
Regardless of all of this, LBJ was a POS and a disgrace to our Great State.
I remember very little from my (mostly) worthless Poli Sci Degree but i do remember one of my upper courses where our Prof played us old secret recordings of LBJ in various meetings with Senators and government folks. various threats, strong arm tactics, and sociopathic stuff was on those
That SOB was was of the most corrupt people I've ever heard in real life. After hearing those I became convinced that he had something to do with Kennedy's assasination
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