All these students being deported by Trump say they were supporting the Palestinian people and not Hamas. Do you think that is even possible, or are the two so entwined and supportive of each other to a degree where they are essentially the same? I think it is the latter.
Can you support the Palestinian people without supporting Hamas?
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Well, something is obvious...
the Palestinians voted Hamas into office. They are one in the same.
Hamas always lies. In fact, lying is a virtue to muslims. Taqiyya is a real concept to them.hoopla said:
All these students being deported by Trump say they were supporting the Palestinian people and not Hamas.
I'd say all Palestinians aren't pro-Hamas but functionally Hamas controls all of them so effectively the answer is no.
Not when they support Hamas.
The problem is that Hamas is reflective on the cultural and political sentiments of a large majority of the peoples that identify themselves as Palestinians. You can change the label of the leadership group or the individual members but their ideology will remain the same until that people chose reform or change. There is little indication that is happening unfortunately.
So the American people are "one in the same" as Biden, Obama, Clinton and Carter?aggiepanic95 said:
the Palestinians voted Hamas into office. They are one in the same.
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. It's inherent virtue is the equal sharing of miseries." - Winston Churchill
Sort of like the Iraqi people voted Sadam into office?aggiepanic95 said:
the Palestinians voted Hamas into office. They are one in the same.
I know Hamas is (or was) the de facto government in Gaza. Is it the same in the West Bank?
There is not a difference between a Palestinian and Hamas in Gaza. Even now Palestinians widely support Hamas.
hoopla said:
All these students being deported by Trump say they were supporting the Palestinian people and not Hamas. Do you think that is even possible, or are the two so entwined and supportive of each other to a degree where they are essentially the same? I think it is the latter.
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Look how many I killed with my own hands! Your son killed Jews!"
"Dad, I am talking from a Jewish woman's phone. I killed her and killed her husband."
"Dad, ten with my own hands! Their blood is on their hands."
"Mom, your son is a hero."
The terrorist's father responded with phrases like:
"Oh my son, God bless you!"
And his mother expressed:
"I wish I was with you."
You can pray for the people of Gaza without tolerating the culture of death and destruction.
Sure you can.Quote:
Can you support the Palestinian people without supporting Hamas?
All these students being deported are lying.Quote:
All these students being deported by Trump say they were supporting the Palestinian people and not Hamas
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Its nothing like that at all.agracer said:Sort of like the Iraqi people voted Sadam into office?aggiepanic95 said:
the Palestinians voted Hamas into office. They are one in the same.
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i think if we take the blinders off we can all acknowledge that a form of government is not necessarily representative of all its peole. i have to believe that not all palestinians are down with the way things are playing out but not sure what all the average palestinian can do.
i also think there is something about the palestinian people that is revolting to other muslims so this very specific sect of muslims is a problem in general.
lastly i think that as a student in another country it is wise to limit your protesting. just in case your not afforded the same rights as citizens. this is a no brainer and goes for anyone traveling or living in a foreign country. not just america.
i also think there is something about the palestinian people that is revolting to other muslims so this very specific sect of muslims is a problem in general.
lastly i think that as a student in another country it is wise to limit your protesting. just in case your not afforded the same rights as citizens. this is a no brainer and goes for anyone traveling or living in a foreign country. not just america.
If I was living in another country (not a citizen), and that country had a huge problem with Biden, Obama, Clinton, or Carter, and I was openly supporting (marching in the streets, for example) the USA during one of their administrations, odds are I would get deported. So, yes, in that sense.pagerman @ work said:So the American people are "one in the same" as Biden, Obama, Clinton and Carter?aggiepanic95 said:
the Palestinians voted Hamas into office. They are one in the same.
Not all Germans were Nazis, but we still had to fight a war against them.
They all want the same thing: the violent overthrow of the Israeli state and the massacre of the Jewish people to take their land.
So wether you say you support Hamas or not, you still support Hamas' ideology
So wether you say you support Hamas or not, you still support Hamas' ideology
There is good reason why no other muslim country wants to take the Palestines, they know who they are and don't want any part of them.
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None of which are the parameters of what the person stated that I responded to.Rex Racer said:If I was living in another country (not a citizen), and that country had a huge problem with Biden, Obama, Clinton, or Carter, and I was openly supporting (marching in the streets, for example) the USA during one of their administrations, odds are I would get deported. So, yes, in that sense.pagerman @ work said:So the American people are "one in the same" as Biden, Obama, Clinton and Carter?aggiepanic95 said:
the Palestinians voted Hamas into office. They are one in the same.
The OP wanted to know if it were possible to support the Palestinian people and not Hamas. aggiepanic95 stated "the Palestinians voted Hamas into office. They are one in the same." Notice there are not conditions about foreign countries, or protests or anything else.
Just "is it possible to support Palestinians and not Hamas" and "nope, they're the same".
So, if voting for Hamas makes Palestinians the same as Hamas, that means Americans are the same as Biden, Obama, Clinton and Carter.
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. It's inherent virtue is the equal sharing of miseries." - Winston Churchill
And the elimination of American and western culture..... thats the problemMaroon Dawn said:
They all want the same thing: the violent overthrow of the Israeli state and the massacre of the Jewish people to take their land.
So wether you say you support Hamas or not, you still support Hamas' ideology
There are 3 kinds of Palestinians:
1. Current combatants.
2. Future combatants.
2. Those that birth and feed #1 & 2.
edit: wrong emoji. Should be disdain face
1. Current combatants.
2. Future combatants.
2. Those that birth and feed #1 & 2.
edit: wrong emoji. Should be disdain face
"Green" is the new RED.
Yes, it's absolutely possible to support the Palestinian people without supporting Hamas but (and here's the but or maybe buts)...
1. What exactly are you supporting?
Is it a two-state solution, where both Israelis and Palestinians have autonomy and security? Or a one-state solution, with full rights and return for Palestinians to what is now Israel?
One major challenge for those of us outside the region is that we often don't know what many Palestinians want in both the short and long term. We also tend to lack a true understanding of the region's history, the motivations behind the founding of Israel, and why many Jews feel that maintaining a Jewish-majority state is necessary for their safety.
Let me try to address each of these points as briefly as I can:
1) Two-State Solution
It sounds great on paper, and I think that prior to October 7th, many Israelis might have been open to it if (and it's a big if) they could be guaranteed lasting security. That would mean the removal of Hamas, a widespread acceptance by Palestinians that Israel has a right to exist, and a rejection of plans to one day retake 'Greater Israel' and conquer all the land, including land shared in 1948.
Unfortunately, that's not the reality on the ground.
I follow a YouTube channel The Ask Project where the host interviews both Israelis (of all faiths) and Palestinians. Watch some of the videos where he asks Palestinians whether they'd be willing to live peacefully alongside Jews, or if they accept the existence of Israel. The majority of responses are deeply sobering: many say no they want the Jews gone, or under Islamic rule.
It's a serious dose of reality. If I were Israeli, I wouldn't want Palestinians to be persecuted or harmed (unless they're violent extremists), but I also wouldn't be suicidal by throwing open the gates.
Westerners often believe that if you simply give Palestinians what they want, it will lead to some peaceful "kum ba yah" coexistence. That's just not how it works. Given this, why would Israelis willingly give up their hard-won security?
Aside from religious or ideological reasons, the core idea behind the founding of Israel was to give Jews a state where they could finally be the majority a place where they wouldn't have to live in fear of persecution.
1. What exactly are you supporting?
Is it a two-state solution, where both Israelis and Palestinians have autonomy and security? Or a one-state solution, with full rights and return for Palestinians to what is now Israel?
One major challenge for those of us outside the region is that we often don't know what many Palestinians want in both the short and long term. We also tend to lack a true understanding of the region's history, the motivations behind the founding of Israel, and why many Jews feel that maintaining a Jewish-majority state is necessary for their safety.
Let me try to address each of these points as briefly as I can:
1) Two-State Solution
It sounds great on paper, and I think that prior to October 7th, many Israelis might have been open to it if (and it's a big if) they could be guaranteed lasting security. That would mean the removal of Hamas, a widespread acceptance by Palestinians that Israel has a right to exist, and a rejection of plans to one day retake 'Greater Israel' and conquer all the land, including land shared in 1948.
Unfortunately, that's not the reality on the ground.
I follow a YouTube channel The Ask Project where the host interviews both Israelis (of all faiths) and Palestinians. Watch some of the videos where he asks Palestinians whether they'd be willing to live peacefully alongside Jews, or if they accept the existence of Israel. The majority of responses are deeply sobering: many say no they want the Jews gone, or under Islamic rule.
It's a serious dose of reality. If I were Israeli, I wouldn't want Palestinians to be persecuted or harmed (unless they're violent extremists), but I also wouldn't be suicidal by throwing open the gates.
Westerners often believe that if you simply give Palestinians what they want, it will lead to some peaceful "kum ba yah" coexistence. That's just not how it works. Given this, why would Israelis willingly give up their hard-won security?
Aside from religious or ideological reasons, the core idea behind the founding of Israel was to give Jews a state where they could finally be the majority a place where they wouldn't have to live in fear of persecution.
Rex Racer said:If I was living in another country (not a citizen), and that country had a huge problem with Biden, Obama, Clinton, or Carter, and I was openly supporting (marching in the streets, for example) the USA during one of their administrations, odds are I would get deported. So, yes, in that sense.pagerman @ work said:So the American people are "one and the same" as Biden, Obama, Clinton and Carter?aggiepanic95 said:
the Palestinians voted Hamas into office. They are one and the same.
Absolutely! As a teen, Drunk or sober, I respected the Mexico police. You never heard much of valley guys getting tossed in their awful jails. It was usually guys from the north.
Palestine is Hamas. Hamas is Palestine.
Even after October 7th the people of Palestine support Hamas.
Even after October 7th the people of Palestine support Hamas.
No. Hamas makes all decisions for Palestinians. You can't support them without supporting their elected leadership. You can sympathize with innocent people but no one can say they have a just cause because their vision is controlled by Hamas.
ATX_AG_08 said:
Palestine is Hamas. Hamas is Palestine.
Even after October 7th the people of Palestine support Hamas.
If they aren't breaking any laws they should be able to support whatever they like. Freedom is kind of our thing. It's not like I have to agree with them.
Even under your parameters, I would wager the vast majority of Palestinians support Hamas, whereas in the U.S., only about half of the people support one of the political parties or the other. So different situations.pagerman @ work said:None of which are the parameters of what the person stated that I responded to.Rex Racer said:If I was living in another country (not a citizen), and that country had a huge problem with Biden, Obama, Clinton, or Carter, and I was openly supporting (marching in the streets, for example) the USA during one of their administrations, odds are I would get deported. So, yes, in that sense.pagerman @ work said:So the American people are "one in the same" as Biden, Obama, Clinton and Carter?aggiepanic95 said:
the Palestinians voted Hamas into office. They are one in the same.
The OP wanted to know if it were possible to support the Palestinian people and not Hamas. aggiepanic95 stated "the Palestinians voted Hamas into office. They are one in the same." Notice there are not conditions about foreign countries, or protests or anything else.
Just "is it possible to support Palestinians and not Hamas" and "nope, they're the same".
So, if voting for Hamas makes Palestinians the same as Hamas, that means Americans are the same as Biden, Obama, Clinton and Carter.
If they chant "from the river, to the sea", they're not just supporting Palestinians.
No, glass the entire place.
Aren't they mostly muslims?
What percentage voted Hamas in last elections?Quote:
Even under your parameters, I would wager the vast majority of Palestinians support Hamas, whereas in the U.S., only about half of the people support one of the political parties or the other. So different situations.
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