Can you support the Palestinian people without supporting Hamas?

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In reply to UTExan • 7:44p, 4/16/25
UTExan said:
infinity ag said:
Burn-It said:
There is good reason why no other muslim country wants to take the Palestines, they know who they are and don't want any part of them.

So why do white countries take themin?


Institutionalized guilt. Long before Europeans entered the scene in Asia, Latin America or Africa, those places were already indulging in mass killings and slavery. You also have self-loathing liberals who make heroes of absolute tyrants, despots and murderers. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Hamas, Hezbollah, the IRA.
Somewhere, there are American "intellectuals" who idolize these monsters.

White guilt, yes.
It has destroyed Europe and attacking Canada and might attack the US. Europeans did commit a lot of crimes around the world, cannot be denied. But to self-flagellate to Muslims in return is just dumb.
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In reply to agracer • 7:47p, 4/16/25
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agracer said:
aggiepanic95 said:
the Palestinians voted Hamas into office. They are one in the same.
Sort of like the Iraqi people voted Sadam into office?


Tell me you know nothing about how Saddam Hussein came to power without saying you have not idea how Saddam Hussein came to power.

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8:51p, 4/16/25
Not all Democrats are Communists, but they're all complicit in the scheme.

In the same way it's too reductive to say all palestinians are Hamas, but similarly it does little good to give the common apologist any greater berth. Islam will forever remain incompatible with western values.
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8:57p, 4/16/25
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In reply to torrid • 8:59p, 4/16/25
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torrid said:
Not all Germans were Nazis, but we still had to fight a war against them.
and the red army didn't care when they came through in 45
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9:07p, 4/16/25
How does that chant go again

Free, free Palestine from Hamas tyranny?

I don't think I have ever heard that last part
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9:20p, 4/16/25
OP: No.
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7:59p, 4/20/25
From the Jordan to the Med, Palestine will be dead!
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8:33p, 4/20/25
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Simple answer. How many of the protesters were protesting Hamas and demanding unconditional surrender and releasing of the hostages. Any protest other than that is supporting Hamas and they can gtfo of America
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In reply to Burn-It • 8:14a, 4/22/25
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Burn-It said:
There is good reason why no other muslim country wants to take the Palestines, they know who they are and don't want any part of them.
They are a useful tool against Israel.
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In reply to rootube • 8:19a, 4/22/25
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rootube said:
If they aren't breaking any laws they should be able to support whatever they like. Freedom is kind of our thing. It's not like I have to agree with them.


Breaking laws like prohibiting Jewish students from attending class?
Gig'Em and God Bless,

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In reply to rootube • 8:24a, 4/22/25
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rootube said:
If they aren't breaking any laws they should be able to support whatever they like. Freedom is kind of our thing. It's not like I have to agree with them.


It's a privilege for them to be here not a right. They aren't citizens. They can support whoever they want and we can deport them and revoke their visas at any point.
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In reply to hoopla • 8:56a, 4/22/25
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All these students being deported by Trump say they were supporting the Palestinian people and not Hamas. Do you think that is even possible, or are the two so entwined and supportive of each other to a degree where they are essentially the same? I think it is the latter.
Such a simplistic overly emotional thought/OP. How Liberal of you and typical of your OP's.

On the surface, without knowing the history of the region- PLA, PLO, Arafat, Munich etc etc, the answer is as simple as your misleading OP being, of course they are not the same in most cases. Its unfair to lump them all together.

Even if history says thats usually not true at all. given the PLO and PLA, and their predecessors lunched many terrorist attacks going all the way back to the 1920's

Hence, a classic example of "enlightened" left "thinking" and moral equivalence. I say with with all the sarcasm that can be mustered.
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In reply to halfastros81 • 8:58a, 4/22/25
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halfastros81 said:
I'd say all Palestinians aren't pro-Hamas but functionally Hamas controls all of them so effectively the answer is no.



Take a Palestinian out of Palestine, and you end up with Rashida Talib. I want to support the Palestinian people while destroying Hamas, but some days that is a struggle.
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9:07a, 4/22/25
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Essentially what these "students" are doing
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9:12a, 4/22/25
From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free from Hamas tyranny.

Don't think I have ever heard this chant either.

I don't think you can separate the two.
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9:30a, 4/22/25
I'm a Christian, so yes. By God's grace, yes.
94chem,
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9:39a, 4/22/25
Muslims want to overthrow our US laws with Sharia law, so nah.
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In reply to rootube • 12:19p, 4/22/25
rootube said:
Ellis Wyatt said:
rootube said:
If they aren't breaking any laws they should be able to support whatever they like. Freedom is kind of our thing. It's not like I have to agree with them.
If they are not citizens, no, they should not be allowed to support whatever they like.

Hamas has been deemed a terrorist organization. We should never knowingly allow supporters of terrorism into our country. Our founding fathers NEVER intended such a thing. That is national suicide.


Yes they should. It's really simple. Are you breaking a law. Yes? Not OK, we can throw you out. Not breaking any laws? Welcome to the land of the free. While you are here, enjoy your freedom.

Are we going to throw out Israeli student protesters? No. Who gets to pick who we throw out and who we don't? We have laws for a reason.

Freedom is not about expressing opinions I agree with.


If they are not citizens of this country, they should shut up or go home
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In reply to 94chem • 12:19p, 4/22/25
94chem said:
I'm a Christian, so yes. By God's grace, yes.



The God of Israel doesn't support the Palestinians. That's clear if you read the Bible.
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In reply to samurai_science • 2:46p, 4/22/25
samurai_science said:
94chem said:
I'm a Christian, so yes. By God's grace, yes.



The God of Israel doesn't support the Palestinians. That's clear if you read the Bible.
The God of Israel died for every Palestinian. And for you, too.
94chem,
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3:06p, 4/22/25
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Who, exactly, are "Palestinian people"?

There is no country of Palestine. There never has been in all of history. Palestine was a general regional name given to the area by the Romans, that's it.
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4:50p, 4/22/25
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Insert "it's the same picture " meme.
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In reply to samurai_science • 4:51p, 4/22/25
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samurai_science said:
94chem said:
I'm a Christian, so yes. By God's grace, yes.



The God of Israel doesn't support the Palestinians. That's clear if you read the Bible.


Not the same Israel.
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In reply to agwrestler • 5:18p, 4/22/25
agwrestler said:
samurai_science said:
94chem said:
I'm a Christian, so yes. By God's grace, yes.



The God of Israel doesn't support the Palestinians. That's clear if you read the Bible.


Not the same Israel.


It would take a while to correct all of the errors. I started with Jesus, which isn't ever a bad place.
94chem,
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In reply to aggiepanic95 • 7:03p, 4/22/25
aggiepanic95 said:
the Palestinians voted Hamas into office. They are one and the same.
worth noting the median age of Palestine is 19, which means half of Palestine's residents weren't even alive when hamas was elected in 2006
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In reply to samurai_science • 8:38p, 4/22/25
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samurai_science said:
94chem said:
I'm a Christian, so yes. By God's grace, yes.



The God of Israel doesn't support the Palestinians. That's clear if you read the Bible.

Well there you have it…
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In reply to Old McDonald • 8:44p, 4/22/25
Old McDonald said:
aggiepanic95 said:
the Palestinians voted Hamas into office. They are one and the same.
worth noting the median age of Palestine is 19, which means half of Palestine's residents weren't even alive when hamas was elected in 2006


Is it your assertion that if a vote were held today, or let's say, oct 6th, hamas would've lost the youth vote?
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In reply to Old McDonald • 9:08p, 4/22/25
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Old McDonald said:
aggiepanic95 said:
the Palestinians voted Hamas into office. They are one and the same.
worth noting the median age of Palestine is 19, which means half of Palestine's residents weren't even alive when hamas was elected in 2006


Palestinian youth strongly support Hamas.

They are steeped in hatred for Jews and Israel.

https://www.pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll%2091%20English%20press%20release%2020%20March%202024.pdf

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/03/22/poll-hamas-remains-popular-among-palestinians/

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According to the poll, only seven percent of Gazans blamed Hamas for their suffering. Seventy-one percent of all Palestinians supported Hamas's decision to attack Israel on October 7 up 14 points among Gazans and down 11 points among West Bank Palestinians compared to three months ago. Fifty-nine percent of all Palestinians thought Hamas should rule Gaza, and 70 percent were satisfied with the role Hamas has played during the war.


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Palestinians are living in another reality one in which Hamas did not commit atrocities on October 7 and one in which Hamas did not march the Palestinian national project off a cliff. This perception gap will further complicate Israel's day-after plans." David May
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9:09p, 4/22/25
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Just completed reading "On Democracies and Death Cults" by Douglas Murray. These people cannot be supported. They are animals.
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9:30p, 4/22/25
Their culture is not salvageable
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In reply to TRD-Ferguson • 9:31p, 4/22/25
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Were there some details in it not widely known?
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In reply to aTmAg • 9:51p, 4/22/25
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The reports I've seen on the news appeared to be at a a more general level. The book focuses on individual people and families. People who experienced the horror of that day and continue to suffer.

It's a much more detailed description of events.
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In reply to Old McDonald • 9:57p, 4/22/25
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Old McDonald said:
aggiepanic95 said:
the Palestinians voted Hamas into office. They are one and the same.
worth noting the median age of Palestine is 19, which means half of Palestine's residents weren't even alive when hamas was elected in 2006


The generation that elected them raised them. Do you expect that type of radicalization and antisemitism to lessen or even just go away because these people didn't vote for them?

What an irrelevant thing to bring up, but I also knew that because countless NPCs have been repeating it since Oct 7th like it makes any difference.

They've been heavily indoctrinated since birth.
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In reply to 94chem • 10:55p, 4/22/25
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94chem said:
samurai_science said:
94chem said:
I'm a Christian, so yes. By God's grace, yes.



The God of Israel doesn't support the Palestinians. That's clear if you read the Bible.
The God of Israel died for every Palestinian................and then expects them to embrace his sacrifice and accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. It's then expected they reject sin and evil.


fixed it for you

Jesus is very clear about those who embrace evil. He died for them but did not mince words that he will also turn away from those who turn against him.
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