VegasAg86 said:

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If they chant "from the river, to the sea", they're not just supporting Palestinians.

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So simple, but so true!

The students are chanting "From the river to the sea," the primary goal of Hamas. They support them no matter what they say.

As to the rest of Palestinians they are like Lot finding the good actors in Sodom and Gomorrah, not enough of them to be spared from God's smite.

Yes. Collective punishment is not only a war crime, it also intellectually doesn't make sense. Not wanting innocent people to die because of the actions of others isn't a left or right thing.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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hoopla said:

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All these students being deported by Trump say they were supporting the Palestinian people and not Hamas.

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Hamas always lies. In fact, lying is a virtue to muslims. Taqiyya is a real concept to them.

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"Takfir" as well- declaring other Muslims to be infidels if their belief is not in proper alignment with the current thought.

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Even under your parameters, I would wager the vast majority of Palestinians support Hamas, whereas in the U.S., only about half of the people support one of the political parties or the other. So different situations.

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What percentage voted Hamas in last elections?

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The last elections were in 2006, so it's pretty irrelevent at this point. Hamas won a plurality of 44.45% while Fatah won 41.43%. Fatah at that time was in favor of a 2 State solution.

I would still wager most Palestinians would support Hamas's ideas, even if they blame Hamas for Israel invading Gaza. I can't prove that. It's just my opinion.

hoopla said:

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All these students being deported by Trump say they were supporting the Palestinian people and not Hamas. Do you think that is even possible, or are the two so entwined and supportive of each other to a degree where they are essentially the same? I think it is the latter.

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"From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free (for Palestinians)"

Does that answer your question?

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aggiepanic95 said:

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the Palestinians voted Hamas into office. They are one and the same.

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So the American people are "one and the same" as Biden, Obama, Clinton and Carter?

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Of course not. But if Clinton had green-lighted a cross border incursion into Canada and cooked children in an oven for S's and G's, I would have personally probably been shot while storming the whitehouse lawn.

Burn-It said:

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There is good reason why no other muslim country wants to take the Palestines, they know who they are and don't want any part of them.

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So why do white countries take themin?

rootube said:

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If they aren't breaking any laws they should be able to support whatever they like. Freedom is kind of our thing. It's not like I have to agree with them.

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If they are not citizens, no, they should not be allowed to support whatever they like.

Hamas has been deemed a terrorist organization. We should never knowingly allow supporters of terrorism into our country. Our founding fathers NEVER intended such a thing. That is national suicide.

KillerAg21 said:

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Yes. Collective punishment is not only a war crime, it also intellectually doesn't make sense. Not wanting innocent people to die because of the actions of others isn't a left or right thing.

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Hamas is not an organization of innocent people. Hamas put babies in ovens.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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rootube said:

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If they aren't breaking any laws they should be able to support whatever they like. Freedom is kind of our thing. It's not like I have to agree with them.

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If they are not citizens, no, they should not be allowed to support whatever they like.

Hamas has been deemed a terrorist organization. We should never knowingly allow supporters of terrorism into our country. Our founding fathers NEVER intended such a thing. That is national suicide.

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Democrats call it democracy, while labeling you and I as the threat.

The Palestinians are Hamas, Hamas are the Palestinians.

Supporting palestinians throwing off the yoke of hamas and hezbollah and a peaceful coexistence with Israelis in a one state solution is not bad.

Supporting palestinians throwing off the yoke of hamas and hezbollah and a peaceful coexistence with Israelis in a two state solution is not bad.

Supporting palestinians through the destruction of Israel and Israelis is bad and indistinguishable from support for hamas and its goals...

All these students getting deported chose option 3.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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hoopla said:

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All these students being deported by Trump say they were supporting the Palestinian people and not Hamas.

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Hamas always lies. In fact, lying is a virtue to muslims AND LIBERALS. Taqiyya is a real concept to them.

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FIFY

How about this:

1. I don't support Hamas killing civilians. But I understand them perceiving that as their only alternative.

2. I don't support Israel killing civilians. But I understand Israel having to do what they have to do to protect their nation.

Correction to your reply

Why do white LIBERAL IDIOTS want to take them in?

VegasAg86 said:

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If they chant "from the river, to the sea", they're not just supporting Palestinians.

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This is the correct answer.

These people being deported aren't out there peacefully supporting the Palestinians caught in the middle of the conflict. They are out there creating a hostile environment to Jewish students.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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rootube said:

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If they aren't breaking any laws they should be able to support whatever they like. Freedom is kind of our thing. It's not like I have to agree with them.

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If they are not citizens, no, they should not be allowed to support whatever they like.

Hamas has been deemed a terrorist organization. We should never knowingly allow supporters of terrorism into our country. Our founding fathers NEVER intended such a thing. That is national suicide.

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Yes they should. It's really simple. Are you breaking a law. Yes? Not OK, we can throw you out. Not breaking any laws? Welcome to the land of the free. While you are here, enjoy your freedom.

Are we going to throw out Israeli student protesters? No. Who gets to pick who we throw out and who we don't? We have laws for a reason.

Freedom is not about expressing opinions I agree with.

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Burn-It said:

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There is good reason why no other muslim country wants to take the Palestines, they know who they are and don't want any part of them.

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So why do white countries take themin?

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Institutionalized guilt. Long before Europeans entered the scene in Asia, Latin America or Africa, those places were already indulging in mass killings and slavery. You also have self-loathing liberals who make heroes of absolute tyrants, despots and murderers. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Hamas, Hezbollah, the IRA.
Somewhere, there are American "intellectuals" who idolize these monsters.

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Yes they should. It's really simple. Are you breaking a law. Yes? Not OK, we can throw you out. Not breaking any laws? Welcome to the land of the free.

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That is not what our laws say. Sorry, not sorry.

I've watched this many times over the years and it's the perfect answer to the OP and those saying they support the Palestinians, not Hamas.

It takes 4 minutes to watch. Give it the time. This is who we're dealing with. Period.

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Yes they should. It's really simple. Are you breaking a law. Yes? Not OK, we can throw you out. Not breaking any laws? Welcome to the land of the free.

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That is not what our laws say. Sorry, not sorry.

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That may be up for debate. People don't get it. Just wait till it's someone who is saying stuff you believe in. You have to protect the freedoms of dip****s too. That kind of the point of freedom.

Islam follower countires are using the u.n. laws to overun the west.

torrid said:

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I know Hamas is (or was) the de facto government in Gaza. Is it the same in the West Bank?

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No, to the extent that Palestinians have control in the West Bank, the control is in the hands of the Palestinian Authority. Their party is Fatah, which lost the 2006 Palestinian election to Hamas, eventually resulting in Hamas taking over Gaza.

The PA is deeply corrupt (their leader, Abbas, has a net worth that is conservatively in the 9 figures), but is at least in theory open to a "two state solution" with Israel. As the PA hasn't allowed any elections since, it is an open question who would actually win an election in the West Bank.

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I know Hamas is (or was) the de facto government in Gaza. Is it the same in the West Bank?

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PLO runs the West Bank. The PLO has a public policy of rewarding Palestinians who maim and/or kill Jews.

So, Hamas/PLO/Palestinians are all functionally the same.

Edit: PA

Can you support a guy on a student visa who has been "in school" for 14 years?

Should have been tossed for that regardless, if you ask me. Even more reason if he's just being an outspoken malcontent.

aggiepanic95 said:

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the Palestinians voted Hamas into office. They are one in the same.

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They voted for Hamas in 2005.
20 years ago.

There have been no elections since.

deddog said:

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aggiepanic95 said:

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the Palestinians voted Hamas into office. They are one in the same.

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They voted for Hamas in 2005.
20 years ago.

There have been no elections since.

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They haven't gotten any smarter over the last 20 years, that's for sure.

hoopla said:

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All these students being deported by Trump say they were supporting the Palestinian people and not Hamas. Do you think that is even possible, or are the two so entwined and supportive of each other to a degree where they are essentially the same? I think it is the latter.

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There are definitely some Palestinians who support their people and ALSO hate Hamas

one cannot support Hamas and then claim they are just practicing 'free speech'

that's like saying 'sure I support the Nazi party but that's because the Allies are so awful to the Germans!"

If people truly supported the Palestinian people they would be clamoring for Hamas to be removed from power. The fact that Hamas organized and executed a surprise attack targeting civilians; and kidnapped, tortured, raped, and murdered men, women, children, and babies should be the end of their existence.

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Can you support the Palestinian people without supporting Hamas?

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Sure you can.

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All these students being deported by Trump say they were supporting the Palestinian people and not Hamas

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All these students being deported are lying.

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Were they illegal too?

The exact same sentiment should be applied to Israel as well. Since they have done all of those things to the Palestinians.

KillerAg21 said:

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The exact same sentiment should be applied to Israel as well. Since they have done all of those things to the Palestinians.

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Israel did not launch a surprise attack targeting civlians; and kidnapping, torturing, raping, and murdering men, women, children, and babies.

Burn-It said:

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Correction to your reply

Why do white LIBERAL IDIOTS want to take them in?

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How is the result any different? These termites are still proliferating in white countries.
They hate America and UK and the respective cultures but want to live in these countries.