Why Are The Dems Defending MS-13 Gang Members So Desperately?

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Misplaced compassion
Suicidal empathy
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Virtue signaling for their confederated coalition
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Because they actually believe it's a winning message with voters.
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This is the work of an marxists and one of satans minions.
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Liberals are screaming about this, and the deporting of all of the other illegals, because of the simple fact that Trump and conservatives want these people gone. They don't care one bit about the illegals wellbeing, and they definitely don't want the illegals living anywhere near them. It's simply about being against anything conservatives(and Trump) are for. That is the only explanation for the liberals actions that I can come up with. I'm convinced that Trump could come out in favor of an open border and the libs would start screaming to finish the wall and deport all of the illegals.
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Simple. Trump says they're bad and is trying to deport them. End of story.
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BUT ITS BECAUSE DRUMPF KILLED HIM AND HES DEAD!!!!


/clueless ******s
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45-70Ag said:


I am liking this Bukele guy more and more.
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TA-OP said:

As a resident far left heathen, I do not defend any MS. 13 member. I do defend due process as guaranteed in our Constitution for all persons on our soil. I realize the rightist view is the Constitution doesn't apply to non-citizens, but words matter I am of the opinion, and the courts have generally accepted, that "people" and "persons" apply almost universally. SCOTUS goes further than I would when giving corporations personhood. Even further, a critical point in the abortion debate is when is a fetus a person? That's not for me to derail here. However, if you use the logic that the Constitution only applies to citizens, then not corporations and unborn children have no rights because citizen is gained on birth.
I think the argument is whether this guy has already had due process when he was brought up on immigration charges previously. From what I have seen, he has, and has no standing.
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TexAgs91 said:

If Dems really want to make this an issue, then republicans should oblige. Over 90% of voters want criminals and terrorists out of this country. The 2026 elections should be all about how dems are doubling down on destroying the country.

This is if and only if the republicans are smart enough to take advantage of an opportunity. I wouldn't bet the farm on it.
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The modern Democrat seems to have this misplaced belief that what's bad for Trump is automatically what's good for the Democrats, and that what's good for Democrats is automatically what's good for the country.
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2000AgPhD said:

TA-OP said:

As a resident far left heathen, I do not defend any MS. 13 member. I do defend due process as guaranteed in our Constitution for all persons on our soil. I realize the rightist view is the Constitution doesn't apply to non-citizens, but words matter I am of the opinion, and the courts have generally accepted, that "people" and "persons" apply almost universally. SCOTUS goes further than I would when giving corporations personhood. Even further, a critical point in the abortion debate is when is a fetus a person? That's not for me to derail here. However, if you use the logic that the Constitution only applies to citizens, then not corporations and unborn children have no rights because citizen is gained on birth.
I think the argument is whether this guy has already had due process when he was brought up on immigration charges previously. From what I have seen, he has, and has no standing.


Deportation order was ordered in 2019
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ohioag67 said:

TexAgs91 said:

If Dems really want to make this an issue, then republicans should oblige. Over 90% of voters want criminals and terrorists out of this country. The 2026 elections should be all about how dems are doubling down on destroying the country.

This is if and only if the republicans are smart enough to take advantage of an opportunity. I wouldn't bet the farm on it.
Knowing republicans, they're going to choose this time to go after gays.
No, I don't care what CNN or Miss NOW said this time
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96AgGrad said:

The modern Democrat seems to have this misplaced belief that what's bad for Trump is automatically what's good for the Democrats, and that what's good for Democrats is automatically what's good for the country.
Appears that way because dems don't really give a crap about the country. They care about their party consolidating power over the country and nothing else. And I do mean NOTHING else. So if you can look at it from their perspective, what's bad for Trump IS good for the dems.
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[Over the line. You can make your point without being disrespectful to other posters -- Staff]
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TA-OP said:

As a resident far left heathen, I do not defend any MS. 13 member. I do defend due process as guaranteed in our Constitution for all persons on our soil. I realize the rightist view is the Constitution doesn't apply to non-citizens, but words matter I am of the opinion, and the courts have generally accepted, that "people" and "persons" apply almost universally. SCOTUS goes further than I would when giving corporations personhood. Even further, a critical point in the abortion debate is when is a fetus a person? That's not for me to derail here. However, if you use the logic that the Constitution only applies to citizens, then not corporations and unborn children have no rights because citizen is gained on birth.
As pointed out, he already had his due process and was given a deport order. But, the controversy is over due process about this current case.

Let's just say that your position is the correct one, that having an open court case trumps everything else and he must stay until his due process is completed of his current case. I think the results of that would be our court system would get clogged with suits filed for any number of reasons just to keep people from getting deported so they can get their "due process".

Leftists have proven time and again they will pervert and abuse any system to get what they want, and this would be no different.
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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

Liberals are screaming about this, and the deporting of all of the other illegals, because of the simple fact that Trump and conservatives want these people gone. They don't care one bit about the illegals wellbeing, and they definitely don't want the illegals living anywhere near them. It's simply about being against anything conservatives(and Trump) are for. That is the only explanation for the liberals actions that I can come up with. I'm convinced that Trump could come out in favor of an open border and the libs would start screaming to finish the wall and deport all of the illegals.


All of that is true.

I would add the power-over-country Democrats are counting on a few things in this PR gamble:

- the bulk of the 20 million (?) illegals get to stay
- they get to vote sooner than later
- they will vote 100% Dem
- one-party rule is then accomplished
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Science Denier said:

1. It came out that Trump's communication uses the word mistake.

2. So the left jumped on it.

3. Left doesn't care about anyone. They don't like girls that were brutally raped and murdered by illegals.

4. Left doesn't care about the illegal thug that raped and murder.

5. Left cares about scoring points. They thought the word "mistake" was a point scorer so they jumped on it.
I'm considered by most on here as being on the Left, and I care deeply about #s 3 and 4. That being said, I completely agree with #s 1, 2, and 5.

Had Trump's people not said they made a mistake, we wouldn't be talking about this today.
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The System said:

TDS
The dems are so weak. They are triggered by anything/everything DJT does.
It really doesn't matter how good a deed he does.

Send illegal immigrant gang members to prison... bad
Secure our borders against drugs and human trafficking... bad
Support Israel against evil Muslim extremists... bad.
Supports girls/women in girls/womens sports... bad

Just wait until he declares Christ has Risen on Easter.
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https://nypost.com/2025/04/18/us-news/alleged-ms-13-gangbanger-kilmar-abrego-garcia-suspected-of-human-trafficking-feds-say/
More evidence on him. The Senator from Massachusetts is a complete clown.
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APHIS AG said:

aggieforester05 said:

Orange Man Bad

They reflexively oppose anything Trump does or anything that's good and wholesome for that matter. They are brainwashed idiots that don't know any better because they live under the biggest propaganda bubble the world has ever seen.
This. They did not even stand to applaud a 13 year old fighting brain cancer because it was Trump honoring him.

Since Satan is a major stakeholder of twere to come to the Democrats and states that he opposes Trump, they would applaud him.


I can assure you Satan vote straight ticket Democrat in every single election!!!
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Quote:

I can assure you Satan vote straight ticket Democrat in every single election!!!
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It's the current "Thing"
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samurai_science said:

2000AgPhD said:

TA-OP said:

As a resident far left heathen, I do not defend any MS. 13 member. I do defend due process as guaranteed in our Constitution for all persons on our soil. I realize the rightist view is the Constitution doesn't apply to non-citizens, but words matter I am of the opinion, and the courts have generally accepted, that "people" and "persons" apply almost universally. SCOTUS goes further than I would when giving corporations personhood. Even further, a critical point in the abortion debate is when is a fetus a person? That's not for me to derail here. However, if you use the logic that the Constitution only applies to citizens, then not corporations and unborn children have no rights because citizen is gained on birth.
I think the argument is whether this guy has already had due process when he was brought up on immigration charges previously. From what I have seen, he has, and has no standing.


Deportation order was ordered in 2019
So the defense is to just ignore the part of that order prohibiting his deportation to El Salvador?

OP asked for left responses. I gave you my viewpoint. I stand by saying he did not receive his Constitutional right to due process.
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TA-OP said:

samurai_science said:

2000AgPhD said:

TA-OP said:

As a resident far left heathen, I do not defend any MS. 13 member. I do defend due process as guaranteed in our Constitution for all persons on our soil. I realize the rightist view is the Constitution doesn't apply to non-citizens, but words matter I am of the opinion, and the courts have generally accepted, that "people" and "persons" apply almost universally. SCOTUS goes further than I would when giving corporations personhood. Even further, a critical point in the abortion debate is when is a fetus a person? That's not for me to derail here. However, if you use the logic that the Constitution only applies to citizens, then not corporations and unborn children have no rights because citizen is gained on birth.
I think the argument is whether this guy has already had due process when he was brought up on immigration charges previously. From what I have seen, he has, and has no standing.


Deportation order was ordered in 2019
So the defense is to just ignore the part of that order prohibiting his deportation to El Salvador?

OP asked for left responses. I gave you my viewpoint. I stand by saying he did not receive his Constitutional right to due process.


He did
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American Hardwood said:

TA-OP said:

As a resident far left heathen, I do not defend any MS. 13 member. I do defend due process as guaranteed in our Constitution for all persons on our soil. I realize the rightist view is the Constitution doesn't apply to non-citizens, but words matter I am of the opinion, and the courts have generally accepted, that "people" and "persons" apply almost universally. SCOTUS goes further than I would when giving corporations personhood. Even further, a critical point in the abortion debate is when is a fetus a person? That's not for me to derail here. However, if you use the logic that the Constitution only applies to citizens, then not corporations and unborn children have no rights because citizen is gained on birth.
As pointed out, he already had his due process and was given a deport order. But, the controversy is over due process about this current case.

Let's just say that your position is the correct one, that having an open court case trumps everything else and he must stay until his due process is completed of his current case. I think the results of that would be our court system would get clogged with suits filed for any number of reasons just to keep people from getting deported so they can get their "due process".

Leftists have proven time and again they will pervert and abuse any system to get what they want, and this would be no different.

Due process in the case of AEA is the ability to file a habeas petition with the court. SCOTUS said as much last week and the Trump DOJ agreed. I fully realize they didn't create this mess, but the Constitution isn't there to make things easy on the government. Quite the contrary.
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This guy is being groomed to be the next George Floyd. Gotta get ready for all those mostly peaceful riots/fires scheduled for this summer. Need to get the pallets of bricks ordered and pre-positioned ahead of time. Can't waste this golden opportunity to grift.
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You bet me too it !!!!
The press are disgusting moron marxist. But, I repeat myself.


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HTownAg98 said:

American Hardwood said:

TA-OP said:

As a resident far left heathen, I do not defend any MS. 13 member. I do defend due process as guaranteed in our Constitution for all persons on our soil. I realize the rightist view is the Constitution doesn't apply to non-citizens, but words matter I am of the opinion, and the courts have generally accepted, that "people" and "persons" apply almost universally. SCOTUS goes further than I would when giving corporations personhood. Even further, a critical point in the abortion debate is when is a fetus a person? That's not for me to derail here. However, if you use the logic that the Constitution only applies to citizens, then not corporations and unborn children have no rights because citizen is gained on birth.
As pointed out, he already had his due process and was given a deport order. But, the controversy is over due process about this current case.

Let's just say that your position is the correct one, that having an open court case trumps everything else and he must stay until his due process is completed of his current case. I think the results of that would be our court system would get clogged with suits filed for any number of reasons just to keep people from getting deported so they can get their "due process".

Leftists have proven time and again they will pervert and abuse any system to get what they want, and this would be no different.

Due process in the case of AEA is the ability to file a habeas petition with the court. SCOTUS said as much last week and the Trump DOJ agreed. I fully realize they didn't create this mess, but the Constitution isn't there to make things easy on the government. Quite the contrary.
The funny thing is it's the rightists going with feels. They feel he doesn't deserve rights on US soil.
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Help an old guy out? I don't see it and can't figure out what I'm looking for. Is it the tats on his fingers, maybe?
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As usual, the liberals will claim citizens commit violent crimes at equal or higher rates. Liberals don't want to take responsibility for crimes their own party enabled through lenient criminal and open border policies. Instead, they want to blame President Donald Trump and the Republicans for increasing violence. Even if only 1% of 10 million illegal aliens who entered the US since January 2021 are violent criminals, there would be an additional 100,000 violent criminals that should not be in our country. We have enough crime and psychopaths as it is. We don't need to voluntarily import thousands more. Screw these Democrats!
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14626985/Trump-infuriates-liberals-shares-PROOF-thug-MS-13-gangster.html

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Trump seemed to offer a rebuttal to the left by posting what he said were photos of knuckle tattoos representing MS-13 and belonging to Abrego Garcia on Truth Social Friday night.

'This is the hand of the man that the Democrats feel should be brought back to the United States, because he is such 'a fine and innocent person,'' Trump wrote.

It features tattoos on his fingers that officials have previously described: a marijuana leaf, a smiley face, a cross, and a skull. 'MS-13' is now spelled across the knuckles in the photo Trump posted.
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HTownAg98 said:

American Hardwood said:

TA-OP said:

As a resident far left heathen, I do not defend any MS. 13 member. I do defend due process as guaranteed in our Constitution for all persons on our soil. I realize the rightist view is the Constitution doesn't apply to non-citizens, but words matter I am of the opinion, and the courts have generally accepted, that "people" and "persons" apply almost universally. SCOTUS goes further than I would when giving corporations personhood. Even further, a critical point in the abortion debate is when is a fetus a person? That's not for me to derail here. However, if you use the logic that the Constitution only applies to citizens, then not corporations and unborn children have no rights because citizen is gained on birth.
As pointed out, he already had his due process and was given a deport order. But, the controversy is over due process about this current case.

Let's just say that your position is the correct one, that having an open court case trumps everything else and he must stay until his due process is completed of his current case. I think the results of that would be our court system would get clogged with suits filed for any number of reasons just to keep people from getting deported so they can get their "due process".

Leftists have proven time and again they will pervert and abuse any system to get what they want, and this would be no different.

Due process in the case of AEA is the ability to file a habeas petition with the court. SCOTUS said as much last week and the Trump DOJ agreed. I fully realize they didn't create this mess, but the Constitution isn't there to make things easy on the government. Quite the contrary.
Where did the SCOTUS say this guy could get a habeas petition?

Please cite the order.
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