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Aggie Jurist
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8:19a, 5/12/25
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EPA Administrator says they are getting rid of the start/stop "feature" on cars. Good riddance.


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8:21a, 5/12/25
Had a truck that I'm 100% sure had engine issues because of this feature.
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8:21a, 5/12/25
AMEN!!

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8:21a, 5/12/25
Please include a rule that forces auto companies to offer a free software update to permanently remove this feature in existing vehicles.
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8:23a, 5/12/25
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I despise this on my new F150. Stupidest feature ever.
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8:24a, 5/12/25
I asked my dad when I was a kid why he didn't turn key off at stoplight to save gas. He said, "cause it takes more gas to fire it up". This was 1961 thinking though.
My F150 has it,and finally I learned to disable it after I start it. Wife even does it if I forget. I want to get as much as I can out of those $300 batteries.
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8:25a, 5/12/25
we'll save 8 cents of gas a year with this feature, that probably costs the consumer an extra 1000 to install. Brilliant government thinking.
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8:28a, 5/12/25
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white libs when the car shuts off at a red light



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8:32a, 5/12/25
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This was so ridiculous for so many obvious reasons but the one I hated the most, only when I was unlucky enough to drive one as a rental, is it was so damn disconcerting to have it sound like the engine died at every red light. It's such an uneasy feeling, especially in a rental, where you're already not familiar with your surroundings.
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In reply to MGS • 8:34a, 5/12/25
MGS said:
Please include a rule that forces auto companies to offer a free software update to permanently remove this feature in existing vehicles.
This. I get tired of doing this every time I start the car.
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In reply to TKEAg04 • 8:35a, 5/12/25
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TKEAg04 said:
I despise this on my new F150. Stupidest feature ever.
here ya go
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8:37a, 5/12/25
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Did they ever demonstrate that it could save an appreciable amount of fuel in typical driving patterns?

The only time I could think it would remotely make sense is city driving in a properly designed hybrid that can do a fair amount of slow speed driving electric only.
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8:43a, 5/12/25
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OF COURSE, RIGHT AFTER I ORDER A NEW TRUCK LAST WEEK!!

Also, we need to ditch that damned disabling device that was legislated into cars for the 2026 model year.
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In reply to MouthBQ98 • 8:43a, 5/12/25
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Did they ever demonstrate that it could save an appreciable amount of fuel in typical driving patterns?
Of course not, but it made a bunch of people feelz good.
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8:48a, 5/12/25
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My '23 F-150 has this and it is the most annoying feature known to mankind. I realize you can just turn it off, but I went ahead and bought one of those plug-in gadgets to bypass the button.
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In reply to CDUB98 • 8:49a, 5/12/25
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CDUB98 said:
OF COURSE, RIGHT AFTER I ORDER A NEW TRUCK LAST WEEK!!

Also, we need to ditch that damned disabling device that was legislated into cars for the 2026 model year.
https://www.autostopeliminator.com/
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In reply to MouthBQ98 • 8:50a, 5/12/25
MouthBQ98 said:
Did they ever demonstrate that it could save an appreciable amount of fuel in typical driving patterns?

The only time I could think it would remotely make sense is city driving in a properly designed hybrid that can do a fair amount of slow speed driving electric only.

Probably not. And I've always wondered about the wear and tear of stopping the engine and starting it like that. Is that a concern?!
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In reply to Prosperdick • 8:50a, 5/12/25
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This was so ridiculous for so many obvious reasons but the one I hated the most, only when I was unlucky enough to drive one as a rental, is it was so damn disconcerting to have it sound like the engine died at every red light. It's such an uneasy feeling, especially in a rental, where you're already not familiar with your surroundings.
I'm permanently scarred from driving colossal POS cars that were older than me. Stalling out at a stoplight and not being able to start the car again is just about panic-inducing!
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In reply to Prosperdick • 8:50a, 5/12/25
Prosperdick said:
This was so ridiculous for so many obvious reasons but the one I hated the most, only when I was unlucky enough to drive one as a rental, is it was so damn disconcerting to have it sound like the engine died at every red light. It's such an uneasy feeling, especially in a rental, where you're already not familiar with your surroundings.

on the BMW it is not just every red light- it's every time you try to park, or you are trying to turn at a stop sign and the engine cuts out when you are trying to gun it...

AWFUL!!
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In reply to Logos Stick • 8:55a, 5/12/25
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Wear and tear cannot be good as the engine is relying on a residual oil film at startup rather than a pressurized film. 100% normal for startup, but has always been one of the harshest conditions for engine wear. So, now, rather than less than 10 times per day, max, maybe only 2, you have multiple start/stops with the engine relying on that draining oil not going away enough to add wear damage.

It was, is, and will always be a dumbass idea implemented by a bunch of dumbasses who know nothing about cars, but needed that feel-good dopamine hit that told them they were "doing something."
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In reply to The Fife • 8:56a, 5/12/25
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The Fife said:
Prosperdick said:
This was so ridiculous for so many obvious reasons but the one I hated the most, only when I was unlucky enough to drive one as a rental, is it was so damn disconcerting to have it sound like the engine died at every red light. It's such an uneasy feeling, especially in a rental, where you're already not familiar with your surroundings.
I'm permanently scarred from driving colossal POS cars that were older than me. Stalling out at a stoplight and not being able to start the car again is just about panic-inducing!
It was a feature, not a bug.

But, you have to admit, a lot of those old cars had character.
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In reply to MouthBQ98 • 8:56a, 5/12/25
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MouthBQ98 said:
Did they ever demonstrate that it could save an appreciable amount of fuel in typical driving patterns?

The only time I could think it would remotely make sense is city driving in a properly designed hybrid that can do a fair amount of slow speed driving electric only.


Regardless of what small amount of fuel savings it may provide, the idiots at the epa clearly didn't consider the tradeoff of battery and starter early replacement.
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8:58a, 5/12/25
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On top of the wear and tear on the engine/ignition, my concern has always been the sluggish start when trying to beat traffic. My wife's Explorer has this feature and I have somehow figured out how to turn it off. I'm not sure how I did it but it is disabled now.
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In reply to MGS • 8:59a, 5/12/25
MGS said:
Please include a rule that forces auto companies to offer a free software update to permanently remove this feature in existing vehicles.
Depending on the vehicle, it's not just software. Like displacement on demand, or whatever it's called in the different makers.
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In reply to McNasty • 9:00a, 5/12/25
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McNasty said:
MouthBQ98 said:
Did they ever demonstrate that it could save an appreciable amount of fuel in typical driving patterns?

The only time I could think it would remotely make sense is city driving in a properly designed hybrid that can do a fair amount of slow speed driving electric only.


Regardless of what small amount of fuel savings it may provide, the idiots at the epa clearly didn't consider the tradeoff of battery and starter early replacement.

They likely did but didn't care because global warming.
The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
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In reply to Fuzzy Dunlop • 9:01a, 5/12/25
Fuzzy Dunlop said:
On top of the wear and tear on the engine/ignition, my concern has always been the sluggish start when trying to beat traffic. My wife's Explorer has this feature and I have somehow figured out how to turn it off. I'm not sure how I did it but it is disabled now.
Used to have new F150s as rentals all of the time when I was a regional manager, traveling the country. When you put them in Sport mode, it not only made the trans shifts change, it turned off that stupidity.
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In reply to Hoyt Ag • 9:02a, 5/12/25
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Hoyt Ag said:
TKEAg04 said:
I despise this on my new F150. Stupidest feature ever.
here ya go


I added something like this within the first week of buying my car. Have been driving it 2 years now and do not regret eliminating this "feature " one bit.
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In reply to Logos Stick • 9:03a, 5/12/25
Logos Stick said:
MouthBQ98 said:
Did they ever demonstrate that it could save an appreciable amount of fuel in typical driving patterns?

The only time I could think it would remotely make sense is city driving in a properly designed hybrid that can do a fair amount of slow speed driving electric only.

Probably not. And I've always wondered about the wear and tear of stopping the engine and starting it like that. Is that a concern?!
Yes. It is.
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9:05a, 5/12/25
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Thank you Lee Zeldin for getting rid of this useless feature! Now the brief period of admiration hogwash is over, get busy ridding us of at least 1000 other STUPID EPA regulations.
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9:07a, 5/12/25
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Obviously the idiots that thought of this never had to replace a starter or crawl underneath a hot car to tap on it a few times with a crescent wrench to get just a few more starts on it when you were a broke ass teenager.

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In reply to BigRobSA • 9:07a, 5/12/25
AG
BigRobSA said:
MGS said:
Please include a rule that forces auto companies to offer a free software update to permanently remove this feature in existing vehicles.
Depending on the vehicle, it's not just software. Like displacement on demand, or whatever it's called in the different makers.
The displacement on demand has 100% farked the GM 5.3L and 6.2L engine lifters. GM has been having lots of problems and THE number 1 reason I went back to get a Ferd over a GM.
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9:07a, 5/12/25
Praise be to the NEW EPA!
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In reply to CDUB98 • 9:09a, 5/12/25
CDUB98 said:
BigRobSA said:
MGS said:
Please include a rule that forces auto companies to offer a free software update to permanently remove this feature in existing vehicles.
Depending on the vehicle, it's not just software. Like displacement on demand, or whatever it's called in the different makers.
The displacement on demand has 100% farked the GM 5.3L and 6.2L engine lifters. GM has been having lots of problems and THE number 1 reason I went back to get a Ferd over a GM.
Yes sir.

And to remove it, you need all sorts of mechanical changes.
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9:11a, 5/12/25
I hate it on my 2018 F-150. As soon as I start my truck i turn it off out of habit.

Soon after purchasing the truck I had to make a pretty quick turn out onto a busy street from a complete stop and there was enough of a lag to concern the crap out of me. I would not be surprised if it has caused numerous wrecks over the years, in people who were expecting immediate responsiveness accelerating out of a stop only to be delayed by half a second or more.

Yeah, you probably shouldn't dart out across busy traffic...but if you do, you better make damn sure that stupid feature is off. It shgould not default to that setting...driver should have to activate it if they want.
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9:12a, 5/12/25
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Another Aftermarket Eliminator

Here's the one I ordered a few years ago. The downside (as others have shown) is that it stays on the diagnostic port. It hasn't been an issue for me, but I suppose it could be for others.

I also bought their horn honk eliminator as I hate that my truck would give the double honk if I got out and closed the door while it was running.
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