Just like that, Wall Street's recession calls are vanishing

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Years ago, I worked at a famous fintech company. The product I managed was used by wealth managers of many other famous companies. I imagined that they did some secret alchemy to come up with stock/fund picks, but what did I see? Each one of these guys had some weird "custom" formula as part of their scorecard which was as obscure and unexplainable as possible to generate recommendations. When I asked them about it, they could not clearly articulate. Or maybe they did not want to. Most of them failed to beat the market. A few did, but not consistently.

I realized that they were all full of hot air and the industry was built on weak foundations. No one could predict the future consistently and reliably. These stock analysts did not know anything more than what you or I could with some common sense and application. I never hired a wealth manager or planner. I did very well for myself in the market just by common sense and not complicating things. When I did complicate things or got greedy, I lost money.

A month ago, these guys were calling a recession. Now they tuck their tails between their legs. They change their opinion like the wind.


Cramer on 7 Apr: Jim Cramer says a recession is likely
Cramer on 29 Apr: Jim Cramer Dismisses Recession Panic

Just like that, Wall Street's recession calls are vanishing
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-china-tariff-pause-has-wall-street-scaling-back-recession-calls-100054918.html

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Trump's latest tariff pause has Wall Street reeling back its recession calls.
Discussion of an economic downturn later in 2025 had surged as economists argued Trump's widespread tariffs would boost inflation and slow economic growth. Now, with the bulk of tariffs on goods from China paused for 90 days and optimism around further trade deals building economists argue that economic growth will still slow later this year, but the odds of a recession have diminished.

"The administration's recent dialing down of some of the more draconian tariffs placed on China should reduce the risk that the US economy slips into recession this year," wrote JPMorgan chief US economist Michael Feroli, who had been the first Wall Street economist to call for a recession after Trump's large tariff increase.

"We believe recession risks are still elevated, but now below 50%."
Feroli's logic is simple: Tariffs are essentially a tax. With the latest tariff cuts, the estimated effective US tariff rate has fallen from roughly 24% to 14%. This creates a $300 billion "tax cut" for American consumers that likely would've been swallowing the brunt of the price increases caused by tariffs. Americans paying higher prices and eventually being unable to spend as much was a key part of why economists have been worried about tariffs leading to an economic slowdown.


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Whenever Trump holds the gun to our collective head and starts to squeeze the trigger the markets tend to get more pessimistic. When he puts it down, even "temporarily" they rebound.
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Loquacious Lunchbox said:

Whenever Trump holds the gun to our collective head and starts to squeeze the trigger the markets tend to get more pessimistic. When he puts it down, even "temporarily" they rebound.


Just laughter…
BMX Bandit
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crazy how financial predictions change when key conditions change.

If the tariffs had not been rolled back, I doubt these analysts would change their opinion on recession.

it seems pretty clear to me that keeping those tariffs in play for a long time would have wrecked the economy. Trump's team knows this. They were a negotiating tool, which has been discussed here ad nauseum
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Let's not forget the media's unwillingness to acknowledge economic malaise and high inflation under Biden. Then they're suddenly apoplectic about Trump's pending doom economy that refuses to manifest in the data forcing them to come about.
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BMX Bandit said:

crazy how financial predictions change when key conditions change.

If the tariffs had not been rolled back, I doubt these analysts would change their opinion on recession.

it seems pretty clear to me that keeping those tariffs in play for a long time would have wrecked the economy. Trump's team knows this. They were a negotiating tool, which has been discussed here ad nauseum


The difference is many of us expected these tariffs to be short lived.
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Elections are when people find out what politicians stand for, and politicians find out what people will fall for.
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Loquacious Lunchbox said:

Whenever Trump holds the gun to our collective head and starts to squeeze the trigger the markets tend to get more pessimistic. When he puts it down, even "temporarily" they rebound.

LOL
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I remember grotesque levels of angst about the Trump tariffs, losing one's shirt by the drop in the market, forthcoming depression...

Now it's magically not a problem. People are easily swayed.

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infinity ag
7:44a, 5/6/25


Trump opens his mouth and stocks tank again.
[url=https://texags.com/forums/57/topics/2721405/replies/70180570][/url]



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rocky the dog said:




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bobbranco said:

I remember grotesque levels of angst about the Trump tariffs, losing one's shirt by the drop in the market, forthcoming depression...

Now it's magically not a problem. People are easily swayed.

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infinity ag
7:44a, 5/6/25


Trump opens his mouth and stocks tank again.
[url=https://texags.com/forums/57/topics/2721405/replies/70180570][/url]




Come on, now you're just acting like an evil CEO who adjusts their outlook based on new facts and calling out a poster for adjusting their outlook based on new facts. Don't be ridiculous.
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I bought Tesla a little over a month ago at $290 and was kicking myself for going early as it kept dropping a good bit from all the Tesla protests. It's $343 today. Just a lot of slow and steady progress across the market after all of the panic.
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Yet there are still tariffs in place, just not the nuclear ones.

Brilliant actually, Go massively huge, nuclear, cut back on it. but leave in place what you wanted all along and no one cares about it, because not getting nuked is good!

It's like when A&M said they were going to hire Mark Stoop and we all went nuclear. So when Elko is chosen we go, that's fine. When before there was quite a bit of debate over that. LOL
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in a thread where were mad money Jim Cramer deserves ridicule and mockery, there are still low-IQ brainwashed idiots who want to still be mad at Trump that we're not going into a recession.
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So much this. The market is elated at tariff rates that were unconscionable a few months ago.
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Market analysts and fund managers don't know **** unless they're cheating. Warren Buffet made a good example of it here.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/030916/buffetts-bet-hedge-funds-year-eight-brka-brkb.asp
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OPAG said:

Yet there are still tariffs in place, just not the nuclear ones.

Brilliant actually, Go massively huge, nuclear, cut back on it. but leave in place what you wanted all along and no one cares about it, because not getting nuked is good!

It's like when A&M said they were going to hire Mark Stoop and we all went nuclear. So when Elko is chosen we go, that's fine. When before there was quite a bit of debate over that. LOL

Now that you say it, it makes sense.

I personally want reciprocal tariffs. If X charges us 10%, we also charge them 10%. If they go to 0, we go to 0 too.

Ultimately I want all of us in the US to make money, and to have good high paying jobs. Corps and Pols have cheated us for decades and sold out the country.
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oh no said:

in a thread where were mad money Jim Cramer deserves ridicule and mockery, there are still low-IQ brainwashed idiots who want to still be mad at Trump that we're not going into a recession.

All the Libs/Dems/Muslims in my community whatsapp group are now silent. They were crowing about Trump 2 months ago saying he fixed the market for his "buddies" to make money. Standard MSNBC talking points. Now? I can hear a pin drop.
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There's that darn magic wand again - libs with tear running down their cheeks.
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Randomish thought, but if you're not familiar with Renaissance Technologies, I highly recommend the Acquired podcast on the company. Fascinating.
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Revenue From Tariffs Hit Record High as Government Posts Second Biggest Budget Surplus in History In April

Key Facts:

  • Tariff revenue hit a record $16.3 billion in April 2025, up from $8.2 billion in March.
  • Total customs duties from October 2024 to April 2025 reached $59.2 billion.
  • The federal government posted a $258 billion surplus in April 2025, a 23% increase from April 2024.
  • The FY 2025 federal deficit stands at $1.049 trillion as of April 30, up 22.7% from the same point in FY 2024.
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BMX Bandit said:

crazy how financial predictions change when key conditions change.

If the tariffs had not been rolled back, I doubt these analysts would change their opinion on recession.

Yup.

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infinity ag said:

oh no said:

in a thread where were mad money Jim Cramer deserves ridicule and mockery, there are still low-IQ brainwashed idiots who want to still be mad at Trump that we're not going into a recession.

All the Libs/Dems/Muslims in my community whatsapp group are now silent. They were crowing about Trump 2 months ago saying he fixed the market for his "buddies" to make money. Standard MSNBC talking points. Now? I can hear a pin drop.
give them time. they have to wait for the next set of Pravda-approved talking point narratives to come out.
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Democrats will enthusiastically cheer for a collapsing economy if it gets them back in power, which is sick. Of course many of the loudest cheerleaders have been personally insulated for years, through many different channels - by USAID funds. The leaders and most of their paid useful idiots can safely ride through. How could this not be true?

A billion here a billion there is a crap ton of money which has played a huge role in everything politics. In the big picture those dollars are a small part of the budget but play a massive role in how far down the toilet this country has gone.

(Sorry I just can't get away from all of our $$$ being used against us and our country). Most everything circles back to that money tree.
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rocky the dog said:


More like Court Jester...

anyone good with AI
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Quote:

  • The FY 2025 federal deficit stands at $1.049 trillion as of April 30, up 22.7% from the same point in FY 2024.

As long as the spending drones on like this, it doesn't matter how much revenue is brought in.
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WH announces $1.2T in economic commitment with Qatar, including significant Boeing order

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/wh-announces-1-2t-economic-commitment-qatar-including-significant-boeing-order
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infinity ag said:

Each one of these guys had some weird "custom" formula as part of their scorecard which was as obscure and unexplainable as possible to generate recommendations. When I asked them about it, they could not clearly articulate. Or maybe they did not want to. Most of them failed to beat the market. A few did, but not consistently.

I realized that they were all full of hot air and the industry was built on weak foundations. No one could predict the future consistently and reliably. These stock analysts did not know anything more than what you or I could with some common sense and application.
Your mistake was thinking they were trying to beat the market. They weren't expecting to beat the market, they were just trying to convince others that they could so they could make their real money on the commissions.
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Investor sentiment is the mighty driver of the economy.

There are very few stronger forces. One is inflation.

These latest revisions and positive outlook are fine and all, but inflation will destroy us.

Stop printing money.
Cut the debt.
Stop the spending.
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SanDiegoAg12 said:

BMX Bandit said:

crazy how financial predictions change when key conditions change.

If the tariffs had not been rolled back, I doubt these analysts would change their opinion on recession.

it seems pretty clear to me that keeping those tariffs in play for a long time would have wrecked the economy. Trump's team knows this. They were a negotiating tool, which has been discussed here ad nauseum


The difference is many of us expected these tariffs to be short lived.


The 24/7 news cycle/smart phones etc have really changed how people look at the economy and policy.

It's contradictory to economics in general as it's a long haul game and any implementation takes several months minimum to show its true effects.

Unfortunately the gen population has been conditioned to reels/clips and instant gratification across the board.

Should never take any knee jerk reaction "analysis" too seriously and let things play out.

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BMX Bandit said:

crazy how financial predictions change when key conditions change.

If the tariffs had not been rolled back, I doubt these analysts would change their opinion on recession.

it seems pretty clear to me that keeping those tariffs in play for a long time would have wrecked the economy. Trump's team knows this. They were a negotiating tool, which has been discussed here ad nauseum
Well, nothing has changed.

Everyone knew Trump was doing what even below average negotiators to. Use your biggest hammer as a key part of negotiations. well DUH!!

There was never a fear that 25% tariffs were going to be put on everyone for eternity. Yet these clowns are REEEEEEEE TARIFFS!! RESESSION COMING!!! INFLATION COMING!!!

But, nothing has changed. Trump did this in his first term and is doing it again. Trump uses temporary tariffs as a negotiating tool. Period. That was the case when these clowns were reeeing all over themselves and is the case now when they are crawfishing.

No. Nothing has changed.
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rocky the dog said:


That and self admitted corrupt pond scum.
Major Controversies Surrounding Jim Cramer: A Detailed Timeline
quotes from the article
  • In December 2006, Jim Cramer described activities used by hedge fund managers to manipulate stock prices, including pushing stocks higher or lower with as little as $5 million and encouraging others to do the same as a quick way to make money.
  • In a video clip from December 22, 2006, Jim Cramer discussed the spreading of false rumors to drive down stock prices and encouraged short-selling by hedge funds as a means to generate returns, stating he would encourage anyone in a hedge fund to do it.
TheStreet Deals With SEC on Accounting Fraud
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  • TheStreet.com, a financial news website created by television personality Jim Cramer, and three of its executives have settled claims of filing false financial reports.
  • Regulators say that an audit revealed that TheStreet had filed false financial reports in 2008. Those reports had claimed revenue from fraudulent transactions at Promotions.com.
Cramer should be serving time in a penitentiary.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
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infinity ag said:

OPAG said:

Yet there are still tariffs in place, just not the nuclear ones.

Brilliant actually, Go massively huge, nuclear, cut back on it. but leave in place what you wanted all along and no one cares about it, because not getting nuked is good!

It's like when A&M said they were going to hire Mark Stoop and we all went nuclear. So when Elko is chosen we go, that's fine. When before there was quite a bit of debate over that. LOL
Now that you say it, it makes sense.

I personally want reciprocal tariffs. If X charges us 10%, we also charge them 10%. If they go to 0, we go to 0 too.

Ultimately I want all of us in the US to make money, and to have good high paying jobs. Corps and Pols have cheated us for decades and sold out the country.
Sounds reasonable.
What your method doesn't account for
  • Volume of the products each country imports/exports.
  • Regulations imposed on imports by countries.
  • Country's subsidies for those products exported.
  • Company and Corporate income taxes affecting the products exported.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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