AgLiving06 said:

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Here's what I see.

Massie has been in office 13 years and has seemingly built no support or coalition for his side. He's just a no vote that the other members of the House just ignore.

What I don't see from his is a vision or pathway towards anybody supporting him. No incrementalism or anything.

So if the bill isn't perfect, he won't vote for it, and that makes him about as bad as democrats because he'd rather hurt his own party than vote for something that isn't perfectly aligned with his principles and that's a significant mistake on his part. We could end up in a much worse situation.

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Same reason Ron Paul was called "Dr. No" for 2 decades. He voted against everything because every single bill voted on in Congress spends borrowed money. He was never all that popular but had a few flash in the pan moments for his DGAF stance.

Massie is carrying the torch now. Chip Roy is helping him hold it. But this is just a handful of votes out of the 218 needed to pass bills. Until you have 200x Massies or Roys or Pauls, Congress will just continue spending unfathomable amounts of borrowed money.

To your point, there is no pathway towards meaningful cuts to federal spending. If 200 guys campaigned solely on voting No a whole bunch, maybe 2 or 3 could get elected. The rest would be ignored and/or laughed at. It's never been a winning strategy.

Agree we're f'd. What is after trillion dollar deficits?

oh no said:

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I just want single issue bills - easy to read, understand, and vote on. hard to hide pork, kick backs, outside influence, side deals, etc. ....things that Rand Paul and Thomas Massie always push for, yet social media is programming the right to believe these dudes are the enemies now.

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This is where both of these guys should be making their move. Polling supports legislation that forces Congress to act responsibly. A bill to require single issue bills could get traction, yet neither of them has created it. They've chosen to spend their days complaining and voting no. I hope we as citizens expect more from the people we support.

AgLiving06 said:

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Here's what I see.

Massie has been in office 13 years and has seemingly built no support or coalition for his side. He's just a no vote that the other members of the House just ignore.

What I don't see from his is a vision or pathway towards anybody supporting him. No incrementalism or anything.

So if the bill isn't perfect, he won't vote for it, and that makes him about as bad as democrats because he'd rather hurt his own party than vote for something that isn't perfectly aligned with his principles and that's a significant mistake on his part. We could end up in a much worse situation.

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This is about the best description of him that I've seen.

I have the same sentiments, but you've stated it much better than I have.

The Hawk said:

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Agree we're f'd. What is after trillion dollar deficits?

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Bankruptcy, and America will be dead again.

The Hawk said:

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Agree we're f'd. What is after trillion dollar deficits?

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Quadrillion dollar deficits.

RDV-1992 said:

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Massie is one of the more principled representatives serving today. Why would you support an opponent?

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Because he is strategically stupid, or he has been bought off. You would support an opponent to clear the deck of political stupidity.

I keep reading from posters who think Massie has to pass something and "go along to get along" to serve a purpose in Congress. He doesn't. Voting no serves a definite purpose.

The politicians who serve no purpose are the ones you've never heard of, because they've never taken a principled stand to support their constituents. Trump loves them. He'll gladly send them a glowing tweet singing their praises every election cycle.

96AgGrad said:

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I keep reading from posters who think Massie has to pass something and "go along to get along" to serve a purpose in Congress. He doesn't. Voting no serves a definite purpose.

The politicians who serve no purpose are the ones you've never heard of, because they've never taken a principled stand to support their constituents. Trump loves them. He'll gladly send them a glowing tweet singing their praises every election cycle.

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REPORT: Thomas Massie has revealed what it’d take to get him to vote ‘yes’ on Trump’s “Big, Beautiful Bill,” drawing a clear line in the sand.

Massie is refusing to rubber-stamp what he calls a bloated mess packed with hidden deals and false promises. He says he’d back a… pic.twitter.com/zLeWfOdRAb

— The Vigilant Fox 🦊 (@VigilantFox) July 1, 2025

Massie is refusing to rubber-stamp what he calls a bloated mess packed with hidden deals and false promises. He says he'd back a "skinny" version focused on real priorities like securing the border and extending the 2017 tax cuts.

He's calling for honest debate and single-issue votes so Americans can see exactly what's buried in the fine print and hidden behind Trump's nameincluding billions in AI giveaways and Green New Deal subsidies.

The question is simple: do you want blind loyalty or real transparency about where your tax dollars are going?

Don't fall for the false narrative that you can't support both Trump and Massie. Watch @zeee_media's report to find out what they don't want you to know.

GAC06 said:

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How is "nurse and prison guard" a good background for congress?

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Well, backgrounds like bartender, community organizer, and small town mayor won some elections. Look where that got us.

RDV-1992 said:

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Massie is one of the more principled representatives serving today. Why would you support an opponent?

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Because the billionaire that controls him wants open borders for cheap labor for meat packing plants and hotels. It doesn't matter that he's great on other issues if we don't fix immigration, every issue you care about is hopeless.

Farmer_J said:

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RDV-1992 said:

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Massie is one of the more principled representatives serving today. Why would you support an opponent?

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Because the billionaire that controls him wants open borders for cheap labor for meat packing plants and hotels. It doesn't matter that he's great on other issues if we don't fix immigration, every issue you care about is hopeless.

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Someone didn't watch Trump's interview on Sunday.

RDV-1992 said:

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Massie is one of the more principled representatives serving today. Why would you support an opponent?

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Because he's a classis perfect is the enemy of good person. He was elected to support President Trump and get **** done that Americans voted for. He's a contrarian, and while principled he may be, he hurts the Republicans trying to get bills passes, which helps dems and is therefore bad for the country.

AgLiving06 said:

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Here's what I see.

Massie has been in office 13 years and has seemingly built no support or coalition for his side. He's just a no vote that the other members of the House just ignore.

What I don't see from his is a vision or pathway towards anybody supporting him. No incrementalism or anything.

So if the bill isn't perfect, he won't vote for it, and that makes him about as bad as democrats because he'd rather hurt his own party than vote for something that isn't perfectly aligned with his principles and that's a significant mistake on his part. We could end up in a much worse situation.

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Perfectly stated.

GAC06 said:

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How is "nurse and prison guard" a good background for congress?

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At minimum she understands the depravity of the human condition and how evil some are. That alone would tend to make her more conservative.

AgLiving06 said:

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Here's what I see.

Massie has been in office 13 years and has seemingly built no support or coalition for his side. He's just a no vote that the other members of the House just ignore.

What I don't see from his is a vision or pathway towards anybody supporting him. No incrementalism or anything.

So if the bill isn't perfect, he won't vote for it, and that makes him about as bad as democrats because he'd rather hurt his own party than vote for something that isn't perfectly aligned with his principles and that's a significant mistake on his part. We could end up in a much worse situation.

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These types of reps always seem to rally the internet around their point of view, but cannot seem to build a coalition of their peers to save their life.

Ted Cruz is HATED by Senators on both sides, but he can at least rally them around legislation. I've never seen Massie accomplish this unless he is just playing the "token Rep" in a liberal cause.

fightingfarmer09 said:

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AgLiving06 said:

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Here's what I see.

Massie has been in office 13 years and has seemingly built no support or coalition for his side. He's just a no vote that the other members of the House just ignore.

What I don't see from his is a vision or pathway towards anybody supporting him. No incrementalism or anything.

So if the bill isn't perfect, he won't vote for it, and that makes him about as bad as democrats because he'd rather hurt his own party than vote for something that isn't perfectly aligned with his principles and that's a significant mistake on his part. We could end up in a much worse situation.

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These types of reps always seem to rally the internet around their point of view, but cannot seem to build a coalition of their peers to save their life.

Ted Cruz is HATED by Senators on both sides, but he can at least rally them around legislation. I've never seen Massie accomplish this unless he is just playing the "token Rep" in a liberal cause.

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Don't look now, but you are advocating for perfection like you fault Massie for in his voting habits. Ideally the small voice of reason would rally the big gov fiscally irresponsible and freedom encroaching mob, but why is it their fault if the mob doesn't listen. At what point will you start to blame the mob?

AgLiving06 said:

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Here's what I see.

Massie has been in office 13 years and has seemingly built no support or coalition for his side. He's just a no vote that the other members of the House just ignore.

What I don't see from his is a vision or pathway towards anybody supporting him. No incrementalism or anything.

So if the bill isn't perfect, he won't vote for it, and that makes him about as bad as democrats because he'd rather hurt his own party than vote for something that isn't perfectly aligned with his principles and that's a significant mistake on his part. We could end up in a much worse situation.

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He's not going to be able to build any kind of coalition as long as a large percentage of "conservatives" abandon whatever tiny amount of principles they have to vote for whatever Trump tells them to.

LMCane said:

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her website is awful but she is leading Massie 31-19 in the latest primary poll.

good background as a nurse and prison guard

https://www.nikileecongress.com/

which of you guys is going to redesign her website for her?!

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So polls tell the truth again? I can't keep up.

aezmvp said:

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I don't ask that reps vote for everything. And I don't like the **** sandwich we got foisted with every time b/c these schmucks want to be reelected. But I do ask that you build towards something. If you want better then build a coalition or work in an existing one and get deeply involved in writing the bills. He hasn't seemed to have done a lot of that. So for me, it's kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't. He's not helpful not because he's saying this is ****, I won't vote for it. It's not helpful because he doesn't seem to do a lot of constructive things. We have guys like that in the Texas House too. Outside the traitors that foisted Burrows on us.

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Accomplishing nothing is still better than going in the wrong direction. It wasn't so long ago that most people here thought that way, too.

Tea Party said:

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fightingfarmer09 said:

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AgLiving06 said:

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Here's what I see.

Massie has been in office 13 years and has seemingly built no support or coalition for his side. He's just a no vote that the other members of the House just ignore.

What I don't see from his is a vision or pathway towards anybody supporting him. No incrementalism or anything.

So if the bill isn't perfect, he won't vote for it, and that makes him about as bad as democrats because he'd rather hurt his own party than vote for something that isn't perfectly aligned with his principles and that's a significant mistake on his part. We could end up in a much worse situation.

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These types of reps always seem to rally the internet around their point of view, but cannot seem to build a coalition of their peers to save their life.

Ted Cruz is HATED by Senators on both sides, but he can at least rally them around legislation. I've never seen Massie accomplish this unless he is just playing the "token Rep" in a liberal cause.

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Don't look now, but you are advocating for perfection like you fault Massie for in his voting habits. Ideally the small voice of reason would rally the big gov fiscally irresponsible and freedom encroaching mob, but why is it their fault if the mob doesn't listen. At what point will you start to blame the mob?

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But the mob is so cozy. Let's just go along to get along, guys.

ts5641 said:

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RDV-1992 said:

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Massie is one of the more principled representatives serving today. Why would you support an opponent?

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Because he's a classis perfect is the enemy of good person. He was elected to support President Trump and get **** done that Americans voted for. He's a contrarian, and while principled he may be, he hurts the Republicans trying to get bills passes, which helps dems and is therefore bad for the country.

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If this is what the bills are going to look like, good!

GAC06 said:

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How is "nurse and prison guard" a good background for congress?

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how is leftist attorney a good background for Congress?

maybe we need more moms, Nurses, and those who have worked in the criminal justice system at first hand.

do you also believe being a farmer is not sufficient for Congress?

"John Dickinson, George Washington, and Samuel Ward all had backgrounds as farmers. Dickinson was known as the "Penman of the Revolution" for his influential essays,

including "Letters from a Farmer in Pennsylvania," which criticized British taxation.

Washington, a prominent landowner and planter, was a key figure in Virginia and later became Commander-in-Chief of the Continental Army.

Ward, a farmer and politician, represented Rhode Island and served as a delegate."

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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AgLiving06 said:

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Here's what I see.

Massie has been in office 13 years and has seemingly built no support or coalition for his side. He's just a no vote that the other members of the House just ignore.

What I don't see from his is a vision or pathway towards anybody supporting him. No incrementalism or anything.

So if the bill isn't perfect, he won't vote for it, and that makes him about as bad as democrats because he'd rather hurt his own party than vote for something that isn't perfectly aligned with his principles and that's a significant mistake on his part. We could end up in a much worse situation.

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He's not going to be able to build any kind of coalition as long as a large percentage of "conservatives" abandon whatever tiny amount of principles they have to vote for whatever Trump tells them to.

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Nice try. The country was invaded by ten million people.That is the first priority.

I stand with POTUS TRUMP and not Hamas Massie

Massie knew he didn't have the support to force the real things needed in this bill. He's politically suiciding himself.

But I strongly disagree that Massie is a "very bad guy".

the nurse with the geocities website will never ask questions or get in anyone's way though. so yay!? i guess.

And Elon is going to fund Massie.

I don't know why trump has to go overboard on things like this. Of course, we don't know what's said behind the scenes.

Farmer_J said:

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Of course, we don't know what's said behind the scenes.

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probably nothing.. Massie probably saw that Truth Social post after we did

GAC06 said:

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How is "nurse and prison guard" a good background for congress?

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Because she's not a damn lawyer?

Farmer_J said:

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Because the billionaire that controls him wants open borders for cheap labor for meat packing plants and hotels. It doesn't matter that he's great on other issues if we don't fix immigration, every issue you care about is hopeless.

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Quote:

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The Trump administration is working on a way to allow farmers and the hospitality industry to have a "temporary pass" to avoid a negative impact from Immigration and Customs Enforcement operations, he said on "Sunday Morning Futures."

"I don't back away. What I do have, I cherish our farmers," the president said when asked by host Maria Bartiromo about the issue. "And when we go into a farm and we take away people that have been working there for 15 and 20 years, who were good, who possibly came in incorrectly. And what we're going to do is we're going to do something for farmers where we can let the farmer sort of be in charge. The farmer knows he's not going to hire a murderer."

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"We're working on it right now. We're going to work it so that, some kind of a temporary pass, where people pay taxes, where the farmer can have a little control as opposed to you walk in and take everybody away," he continued, emphasizing that "criminals are going out of this country."

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-urges-temporary-pass-from-immigration-crackdown-key-industries-i-cherish-our-farmers

You were saying?

What's your point? Yeah, Trump floated out there. Now he's gonna make exemptions for hotel and ag.

Was pressure from the 'principled' holdout republicans? It kind of looks like it. Either way it's the wrong move.