Farmer_J said:

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Was pressure from the 'principled' holdout republicans?

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no

2024
General Election Results in KY-4
Massie 278,386 (Massie basically ran unopposed)
Trump 250,916

2020
General Election Results in KY-4
Massie 256,613
Trump 244,777

her website needs one of these while she cleans things up

LMCane said:

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GAC06 said:

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How is "nurse and prison guard" a good background for congress?

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how is leftist attorney a good background for Congress?

maybe we need more moms, Nurses, and those who have worked in the criminal justice system at first hand.

do you also believe being a farmer is not sufficient for Congress?

"John Dickinson, George Washington, and Samuel Ward all had backgrounds as farmers. Dickinson was known as the "Penman of the Revolution" for his influential essays,

including "Letters from a Farmer in Pennsylvania," which criticized British taxation.

Washington, a prominent landowner and planter, was a key figure in Virginia and later became Commander-in-Chief of the Continental Army.

Ward, a farmer and politician, represented Rhode Island and served as a delegate."

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See if you can fit in a couple more straw men next time

I admire his principles BUT one also has to examine the actual results of his actions. If your actions let you be sanctimonious about principle but have the effect of inflicting greater harm than otherwise might be or to empower your opposition to achieve worse outcomes than otherwise might occur, the principled stand in effect becomes a deliberately harmful act if no better alternative was actually possible.

Democratic government is often the compromised choice between bad and worse.

MouthBQ98 said:

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If your actions let you be sanctimonious about principle but have the effect of inflicting greater harm than otherwise might be or to empower your opposition to achieve worse outcomes than otherwise might occur, the principled stand in effect becomes a deliberately harmful act if no better alternative was actually possible.

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in this case though, it appears Massie not being willing to vote yes on BBB 2.0 does not stop it passing in the House. Trump admin's issue right now is the senate; not Massie's house. They have to get one of four hold out R senators to flip or it fails the Senate.


and as i type this, it looks like they got the one flip plus JD vance's tie breaker. so it's going to pass both chambers now.

What do you think?

♦️ Should the House pass the BBB or demand the Senate fire the Senate Parliamentarian to amend the Bill back to
it’s original version ♦️

Please vote:

— Suzee Q (@SusieM414141) July 2, 2025

So massie cast the deciding vote to bring biden's budget out of the rules committee. He was one of my favorites but turns out he's just as phony as every other politician.

"Massie justified his vote by citing a provision requiring Congress to address 12 individual appropriations bills later that year, which he believed would enforce spending discipline, and expressed concern that rejecting the deal could lead to a less favorable outcome driven by Senate leaders like Mitch McConnell."

Yes, Thomas Massie voted to raise the debt ceiling in 2023 under Biden via the Fiscal Responsibility Act, which included spending cuts to avoid default. He justified this as a necessary compromise. However, he opposed the 2025 One Big Beautiful Bill Act, citing its $2.4 trillion…

— Grok (@grok) July 3, 2025

Farmer_J said:

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So massie cast the deciding vote to bring biden's budget out of the rules committee. He was one of my favorites but turns out he's just as phony as every other politician.

"Massie justified his vote by citing a provision requiring Congress to address 12 individual appropriations bills later that year, which he believed would enforce spending discipline, and expressed concern that rejecting the deal could lead to a less favorable outcome driven by Senate leaders like Mitch McConnell."

Yes, Thomas Massie voted to raise the debt ceiling in 2023 under Biden via the Fiscal Responsibility Act, which included spending cuts to avoid default. He justified this as a necessary compromise. However, he opposed the 2025 One Big Beautiful Bill Act, citing its $2.4 trillion…

— Grok (@grok) July 3, 2025

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That's just revisionist history meant to make him look bad. You need context to actually know what happened. Massie viewed it out of committee because of the promised 1% cuts.

Would you like to add context or just tell people half-truths?

"My vote in Rules Committee to advance the debt deal to the floor does not mean I support the bill — it means I support letting the entire House work its will." -Thomas Massie

While Massie still opposed the bill…

— Louisa Clary (@LouisaClary) July 2, 2025

RDV-1992 said:

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Massie is one of the more principled representatives serving today. Why would you support an opponent?

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Sadly, a lot of people didnt know who Massie was until Trump went after him. Then they knew they must hate him.

So what's your context?

It sounds like the same thing trump is asking massie to do now. Personally, I think massie and rand were holding out to get exemptions for ag and hotels. Looks like it probably worked.

It's political theater

Massie is the new john kerry

I voted for it before I voted against it!

Farmer_J said:

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So what's your context?

It sounds like the same thing trump is asking massie to do now. Personally, I think massie and rand were holding out to get exemptions for ag and hotels. Looks like it probably worked.

It's political theater

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Here is the only context that matters.

Massie has massive TDS. I mean. He opposed Trump on the Iran strikes. As shown above, he supported Biden. His TDS goes way back.

Trump endorses someone else:

Third Rate Congressman Thomas Massie, a Weak and Pathetic RINO from the Great Commonwealth of Kentucky, a place I love, and won big SIX TIMES, must be thrown out of office, ASAP! The incredible people of Kentucky’s 4th Congressional District gave us a mandate to, MAKE AMERICA… pic.twitter.com/o58YjBDFi4

— Trump Truth Social Posts On X (@TrumpTruthOnX) October 17, 2025

And no surprise:

Well look 👀 here. The hack Trump just endorsed to run against me is a Lindsey Graham donor❗️ pic.twitter.com/pePwtiHszp

— Thomas Massie for Congress (@MassieforKY) October 18, 2025

People like Massie are useless NPCs. We need folks who can get things done, not gum up the machine.

He can run as No Labels if he thinks his message and… principles… are so good.

Will 2 years make a difference?

Did they show Trump these results?

On May 21st, 2024 I ran for U.S. Congress and won, while Ed Gallrein ran for State Senate and lost.

Here are the votes in counties where our races overlapped:

Shelby Co:
Massie - 4,053
Gallrein - 2,276

Henry Co:
Massie - 1,262
Gallrein - 619

— Thomas Massie for Congress (@MassieforKY) October 20, 2025

Massie

flown-the-coop said:

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People like Massie are useless NPCs.

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How hard is it to bind a proper ssl cert?

Massie is great

GAC06 said:

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How is "nurse and prison guard" a good background for congress?

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Well probably better than a "bartender" or illegal Muslim immigrant married to her brother

I agree - not what we need to help this nation and all our problems

Strange Bedfellows: Meet the PAC Working to Reelect Thomas Massie—And Partnering With the DSA to Fight ICEhttps://t.co/hD18GkoBu8

— Washington Free Beacon (@FreeBeacon) October 16, 2025

Rapier108 said:

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Strange Bedfellows: Meet the PAC Working to Reelect Thomas Massie—And Partnering With the DSA to Fight ICEhttps://t.co/hD18GkoBu8

— Washington Free Beacon (@FreeBeacon) October 16, 2025

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"Massie told the Washington Free Beacon he is "not familiar with the Integrity Political Action Committee" or its "position on immigration, but I feel strongly that we should stop illegal immigration." He acknowledged Aljoboury's campaign contribution but emphasized that it "was from him as an individual and did not come from IPAC."

From their own article lol

Massey is great.

You support Massie for one reason, a terminal obsession with Epstein and hoping he'll take out Trump with the Epstein files.

Rapier108 said:

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You support Massie for one reason, a terminal obsession with Epstein and hoping he'll take out Trump with the Epstein files.

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You got that from pointing out an inconsistency in an article you shared?

cr06gis said:

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Massie is great

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The dems never get straddled with a Massie. Republicans like Massie are a huge part of the problem. He spends more time criticizing Trump than the left. Awful Republican and I hope his constituents realize this.

ts5641 said:

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cr06gis said:

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Massie is great

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The dems never get straddled with a Massie. Republicans like Massie are a huge part of the problem. He spends more time criticizing Trump than the left. Awful Republican and I hope his constituents realize this.

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Trump isn't above criticism, nor does he represent the views of all Republicans. He isn't owed allegiance. The Dems don't have a Massie because none of them value their principles more than collective power.

I'm pretty sure I'm moving on from Massie. His relationship with the administration has become toxic and I'm not trusting his voting on issues because of this. At this point, his pride seems to be his biggest weakness.

Time to put someone in there who will not hamstring because of a personality conflict.

Massie is one of the few willing to state the obvious truth that our country is bankrupt and refuses to pretend otherwise. Trump isn't the party. He will be gone in three years. Americans need to plan for the wrecking ball heading for our country. Pretend and extend is over.

Massie is awesome.

ts5641 said:

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cr06gis said:

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Massie is great

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The dems never get straddled with a Massie. Republicans like Massie are a huge part of the problem. He spends more time criticizing Trump than the left. Awful Republican and I hope his constituents realize this.

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The Dems don't have this problem because the entire party is moving LEFT!

Massie is trying to keep the GOP from moving to the Center. There is no movement among Democrats pushing them to the center like the Republicans have!

His constituents have voted for him more than Trump. Will that hold up? Time will tell!

ts5641 said:

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cr06gis said:

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Massie is great

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The dems never get straddled with a Massie. Republicans like Massie are a huge part of the problem. He spends more time criticizing Trump than the left. Awful Republican and I hope his constituents realize this.

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The fact that we don't march in lockstep with whatever the leaders say the way the dems do is a good thing, not a bad thing. Especially in Massie's case where he's usually fighting for conservative priorities.

oh but Massie really has "ideals"

not like those other 217 Republicans in the House!

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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ts5641 said:

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cr06gis said:

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Massie is great

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The dems never get straddled with a Massie. Republicans like Massie are a huge part of the problem. He spends more time criticizing Trump than the left. Awful Republican and I hope his constituents realize this.

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The fact that we don't march in lockstep with whatever the leaders say the way the dems do is a good thing, not a bad thing. Especially in Massie's case where he's usually fighting for conservative priorities.

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when the GOP only has a 3 seat cushion to pass legislation

you bet your @#@$ you better vote with the Republican party!!

do you defenders of Massie say the same thing about Murkowski in Alaska and Kelly Ayotte in NH during SCOTUS nominations?