DOJ: Epstein killed himself, no client list

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Nothing to do with anything!

You're posting something from a parody account? Perhaps the FBI determined this was irrelevant to any investigation or claim. Perhaps it was a joke. We have no context. I love how people are clinging fervently to every unverified or completely fake email that has been dumped.

I'm not fervently clinging to anything.

Obviously people are going to scrutinize the sex trafficking rapist talking about killing someone.

Especially in a case where the guy had ties to many wealthy and powerful individuals and the government has been constantly lying to us about the case.

Fair enough, but as I stated earlier in this thread, the document dump and fake emails are going to muddy the waters even further. We don't know what's real or fake. And even if it's real we don't know the context because there is no formal investigation. I think it is unbelievably unfair to publish names of people who are simply mentioned in the millions of documents because they will become victims of the online mob that demands "justice" for victims that refuse to come forward and make allegations. Everyone whoever communicated with Epstein is seemingly guilty until proven innocent.

And that is what many people warned about, but people like Massie and the rest of the Epsteiners were incapable of listening.

Some wanted it out there thinking it would confirm all of the Q-Anon garbage and take down the "deep state pedo cabal."

Some just wanted to see all the salacious details.

Some were hoping it would take down Israel or at least make more people hate Israel/Jews.

Most wanted it simply to take down Trump.

None of them actually care about the victims, or the colleterial damage. They just wanted to find something to use to further their agenda.

There are likely a few who are actually hoping it will bring criminals to justice (not for any of the reasons above, but for actual justice to be served), but that was always going to be a long shot. Nothing Epstein wrote in his e-mails would be enough to even arrest someone, much less convict. It is hearsay without corroborating evidence.
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93MarineHorn said:

Zachary Klement said:

93MarineHorn said:

Zachary Klement said:


Nothing to do with anything!

You're posting something from a parody account? Perhaps the FBI determined this was irrelevant to any investigation or claim. Perhaps it was a joke. We have no context. I love how people are clinging fervently to every unverified or completely fake email that has been dumped.

I'm not fervently clinging to anything.

Obviously people are going to scrutinize the sex trafficking rapist talking about killing someone.

Especially in a case where the guy had ties to many wealthy and powerful individuals and the government has been constantly lying to us about the case.

Fair enough, but as I stated earlier in this thread, the document dump and fake emails are going to muddy the waters even further. We don't know what's real or fake. And even if it's real we don't know the context because there is no formal investigation. I think it is unbelievably unfair to publish names of people who are simply mentioned in the millions of documents because they will become victims of the online mob that demands "justice" for victims that refuse to come forward and make allegations. Everyone whoever communicated with Epstein is seemingly guilty until proven innocent.

I agree that all of this muddies the water, but it is what it is...I think you have to get it out to give some impression of transparency. I would assume they could supplement some of the releases with additional context or findings to provide greater clarity, but doubt anything like that will happen.

I disagree with what you are saying about publishing names. No one that has not done anything wrong or has not had questionable correspondence with the guy has suffered much damage. Trump is fine. Elon is fine. The Clintons are fine. Bill Gates is fine.

Justice for the victims certainly matters, but I think if we are being honest, most people want greater transparency from a government that routinely lies to us and sells us out and I think that is worth continuing to demand answers on this.
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Plenty of evidence was recorded. All those dvds are now held by the US government and/or likely held in a bunker in a foreign country aligned with Epstein. The public will never know what was recorded.
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Trump is fine. Elon is fine. The Clintons are fine. Bill Gates is fine.


Those guys are public figures and very insulated and/or used to getting a ton of heat. I'm more concerned with people who aren't household names getting swept up in the hysteria. I mostly agree with your overall point.
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Rapier108 said:

93MarineHorn said:

Zachary Klement said:

93MarineHorn said:

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Nothing to do with anything!

You're posting something from a parody account? Perhaps the FBI determined this was irrelevant to any investigation or claim. Perhaps it was a joke. We have no context. I love how people are clinging fervently to every unverified or completely fake email that has been dumped.

I'm not fervently clinging to anything.

Obviously people are going to scrutinize the sex trafficking rapist talking about killing someone.

Especially in a case where the guy had ties to many wealthy and powerful individuals and the government has been constantly lying to us about the case.

Fair enough, but as I stated earlier in this thread, the document dump and fake emails are going to muddy the waters even further. We don't know what's real or fake. And even if it's real we don't know the context because there is no formal investigation. I think it is unbelievably unfair to publish names of people who are simply mentioned in the millions of documents because they will become victims of the online mob that demands "justice" for victims that refuse to come forward and make allegations. Everyone whoever communicated with Epstein is seemingly guilty until proven innocent.

And that is what many people warned about, but people like Massie and the rest of the Epsteiners were incapable of listening.

Some wanted it out there thinking it would confirm all of the Q-Anon garbage and take down the "deep state pedo cabal."

Some just wanted to see all the salacious details.

Some were hoping it would take down Israel or at least make more people hate Israel/Jews.

Most wanted it simply to take down Trump.

None of them actually care about the victims, or the colleterial damage. They just wanted to find something to use to further their agenda.

There are likely a few who are actually hoping it will bring criminals to justice (not for any of the reasons above, but for actual justice to be served), but that was always going to be a long shot. Nothing Epstein wrote in his e-mails would be enough to even arrest someone, much less convict. It is hearsay without corroborating evidence.

Who has had their reputation ruined over this stuff?

Trump? Who won the Presidency again despite being associated with Epstein?

Elon? Who is about to become the world's first trillionaire?

The Clintons? They seem to be fine.

Les Wexner? Ehud Barak? Bill Gates?

All still super rich. All still super powerful.
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Thank God. Now Adam Schiff can come back and confirm all the redactions were covering up Trumps pedo child sex trafficking and murder ring… and he can get Newsom to start digging up the golf courses.

Justice for the victims at last!
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flown-the-coop said:

Thank God. Now Adam Schiff can come back and confirm all the redactions were covering up Trumps pedo child sex trafficking and murder ring… and he can get Newsom to start digging up the golf courses.

Justice for the victims at last!

As long as the names of the wealthy and powerful are not tarnished!!
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Zachary Klement said:

flown-the-coop said:

Thank God. Now Adam Schiff can come back and confirm all the redactions were covering up Trumps pedo child sex trafficking and murder ring… and he can get Newsom to start digging up the golf courses.

Justice for the victims at last!

As long as the names of the wealthy and powerful are not tarnished!!

Seems the names of the wealthy and powerful were what was not redacted. Swing and a miss there Tiger.
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flown-the-coop said:

Zachary Klement said:

flown-the-coop said:

Thank God. Now Adam Schiff can come back and confirm all the redactions were covering up Trumps pedo child sex trafficking and murder ring… and he can get Newsom to start digging up the golf courses.

Justice for the victims at last!

As long as the names of the wealthy and powerful are not tarnished!!

Seems the names of the wealthy and powerful were what was not redacted. Swing and a miss there Tiger.

How sad does it make you that people think less off Trump, Elon, and Bill Gates because of this?
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Zachary Klement said:

flown-the-coop said:

Zachary Klement said:

flown-the-coop said:

Thank God. Now Adam Schiff can come back and confirm all the redactions were covering up Trumps pedo child sex trafficking and murder ring… and he can get Newsom to start digging up the golf courses.

Justice for the victims at last!

As long as the names of the wealthy and powerful are not tarnished!!

Seems the names of the wealthy and powerful were what was not redacted. Swing and a miss there Tiger.

How sad does it make you that people think less off Trump, Elon, and Bill Gates because of this?

Why would it make me sad? Those guys have the money and platform to defend themselves. And if they are guilty of crimes, arrest them. If they raped and murdered children, torture them to death and televise it.
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Zachary Klement said:

Rapier108 said:

93MarineHorn said:

Zachary Klement said:

93MarineHorn said:

Zachary Klement said:


Nothing to do with anything!

You're posting something from a parody account? Perhaps the FBI determined this was irrelevant to any investigation or claim. Perhaps it was a joke. We have no context. I love how people are clinging fervently to every unverified or completely fake email that has been dumped.

I'm not fervently clinging to anything.

Obviously people are going to scrutinize the sex trafficking rapist talking about killing someone.

Especially in a case where the guy had ties to many wealthy and powerful individuals and the government has been constantly lying to us about the case.

Fair enough, but as I stated earlier in this thread, the document dump and fake emails are going to muddy the waters even further. We don't know what's real or fake. And even if it's real we don't know the context because there is no formal investigation. I think it is unbelievably unfair to publish names of people who are simply mentioned in the millions of documents because they will become victims of the online mob that demands "justice" for victims that refuse to come forward and make allegations. Everyone whoever communicated with Epstein is seemingly guilty until proven innocent.

And that is what many people warned about, but people like Massie and the rest of the Epsteiners were incapable of listening.

Some wanted it out there thinking it would confirm all of the Q-Anon garbage and take down the "deep state pedo cabal."

Some just wanted to see all the salacious details.

Some were hoping it would take down Israel or at least make more people hate Israel/Jews.

Most wanted it simply to take down Trump.

None of them actually care about the victims, or the colleterial damage. They just wanted to find something to use to further their agenda.

There are likely a few who are actually hoping it will bring criminals to justice (not for any of the reasons above, but for actual justice to be served), but that was always going to be a long shot. Nothing Epstein wrote in his e-mails would be enough to even arrest someone, much less convict. It is hearsay without corroborating evidence.

Who has had their reputation ruined over this stuff?

Trump? Who won the Presidency again despite being associated with Epstein?

Elon? Who is about to become the world's first trillionaire?

The Clintons? They seem to be fine.

Les Wexner? Ehud Barak? Bill Gates?

All still super rich. All still super powerful.


The "release" has done nothing to tarnish Trump's legacy. The cover-up and tantrum to not have them released however, has completely finished him and many many others in the eyes of anyone with a working brain.

It's fantastic and another step closer to the destruction of the two party system. Something to celebrate for sure.
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Interesting.
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What is the reason people wouldn't want that to be public?
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Congress likes to do a closed door sworn deposition so that they can better control the proceedings. I don't agree with it, but both sides do it.

This was what Shifty ****ty Schiff did in the 1st Trump impeachment where they would go downstairs to a closed door meeting and sometimes even a SCIF, then he would come back to the cameras and tell us all the absolutely convincing evidence he had seen that Trump engaged in a quid pro quo as Putin's puppet.

The public sessions will devolve into 5 minutes alternating between asking Bill questions he will take the 5th on and then Dems worshipping his slimy ass, apologizing for him having to go through this, and then reclaiming their time so they can discuss the 36,000 mentions of Trumps.

Those are the reasons. I hate it, both sides do it, and it provides NOTHING but clickable fodder for the uninformed masses.
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Why? Why are we apparently so determined to protect the rich and powerful?

"Across the Atlantic, heads are rolling over the Jeffrey Epstein revelations.

But as Europe's political class moves to clean up its mess and address its shame concerning ties with the convicted sex offender, it's inadvertently highlighting something else the comparative lack of accountability in the U.S.

No prominent politicians have taken a fall. Consequences have been limited. Wagons have been circled around the most prominent political figures whose names have surfaced in the legal document dumps."

EPSTEIN
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flown-the-coop said:

Congress likes to do a closed door sworn deposition so that they can better control the proceedings. I don't agree with it, but both sides do it.

This was what Shifty ****ty Schiff did in the 1st Trump impeachment where they would go downstairs to a closed door meeting and sometimes even a SCIF, then he would come back to the cameras and tell us all the absolutely convincing evidence he had seen that Trump engaged in a quid pro quo as Putin's puppet.

The public sessions will devolve into 5 minutes alternating between asking Bill questions he will take the 5th on and then Dems worshipping his slimy ass, apologizing for him having to go through this, and then reclaiming their time so they can discuss the 36,000 mentions of Trumps.

Those are the reasons. I hate it, both sides do it, and it provides NOTHING but clickable fodder for the uninformed masses.

Yep. For highly partisan issues, the way this typically works is that once the testimony concludes behind closed doors, congressmen rush to publish one-sided statements and give skewed press interviews without much regard for context or truthfulness.

Since the event itself is closed and the transcript won't be released for some time, if ever, there's no practical way for people like the Clintons to quickly get their actual testimony out to the public while the issue is still front-page news.

This process is designed to manipulate the public's first impressions, meaning the subjects of these hearings are often deliberately set up to be subsequently labeled as bad guys regardless of what actually happened.

It's essentially a legislative ambush.
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Sorry, but turnabouts fair play. And the Clintons most certainly can get their side of the story out. It's nonsense to pretend they are being silenced.

Why has Bubba not explained the should run, hot tub, and lapsitting pics? Seems like he could do that instead of lying about the parameters of their being called to congress.
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flown-the-coop said:

Sorry, but turnabouts fair play. And the Clintons most certainly can get their side of the story out. It's nonsense to pretend they are being silenced.

Why has Bubba not explained the should run, hot tub, and lapsitting pics? Seems like he could do that instead of lying about the parameters of their being called to congress.

I could not care less about the Clintons. I dislike the rigged process behind closed doors.
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Comer has actually been decent about releasing the video and transcript within a day or so.

We still have no videos or transcripts from Trump impeachment 1.0, russiagate and jan 6 select committee closed door meetinvs.

Do you remember if you made such a fuss anout it then?
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It's a bad way to conduct political business regardless of who is on the receiving end of it.
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Site set up like Epsteins google account with Gmail and photos. Search for Trump and most of the hits are convos about him and his campaign fundraising emails

https://jmail.world/
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74OA said:

It's a bad way to conduct political business regardless of who is on the receiving end of it.

Fine, but Comer has released video and transcripts and has promised to here as well.

The difference is Dems do NOT reciprocate.

Were you outraged when this happened to Trump? Happy to look at any posts you have from that time pointing how corruption was for Schiff to pull these stunts (and then LIE for years about it then destroy transcripts, videos, records).

Just want to make sure we are treating things the same.
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flown-the-coop said:

Zachary Klement said:

flown-the-coop said:

Thank God. Now Adam Schiff can come back and confirm all the redactions were covering up Trumps pedo child sex trafficking and murder ring… and he can get Newsom to start digging up the golf courses.

Justice for the victims at last!

As long as the names of the wealthy and powerful are not tarnished!!

Seems the names of the wealthy and powerful were what was not redacted. Swing and a miss there Tiger.


What? Some were not, there's tons that were indeed redacted. Specifically the emails with the most heinous content.

Have you even looked at them?
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Wait, you believe HW ate children's feet and Trump buried bodies on the site of a golf course he would buy a decade later?

If you want to have a rational, earth based discussion on redactions, we need to dismiss the jeevacations nonsense.
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Hope the Clintons sink the ship and go down with it.
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Hope the Clintons sink the ship and go down with it.

Absolutely zero chance. They are all protected and they know it. The only hope for justice is that there is a Hell and these people & every single person who has ever protected them will burn for eternity.

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ORRRRRRR he snagged a photo off the internet and emailed it to himself with no proof he was even there, he's not in the photo. His pattern of emailing himself is crap or mocked up back and forth communications is very telling
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Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

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ORRRRRRR he snagged a photo off the internet and emailed it to himself with no proof he was even there, he's not in the photo. His pattern of emailing himself is crap or mocked up back and forth communications is very telling

Maybe, maybe not. Elon was begging to get out there to the island, he has pics with Ghislaine.
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Soso nikinombiki maaki dii.
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