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Lawyers and Judges don't do investigations. If Patel and now the new blocker Todd Blanche say there is nothing to investigate as there was only one criminal which was JE there's nothing reaching the lawyers and judges.

The congressional "investigation" is a joke by intentional design

Which was the only thing Trump wanted done. He tried to block the house vote to even release the files. .

Trump may not be involved at all but he was100% involved in blocking the release and also any investigations.

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Lawyers are prosecutors and they do investigate. Judges are lawyers and they keep the fees flowing.

Explain to us why Obama, Biden, CIA, FBI, DOJ, the BFs of Trump's first term, etc never found the Epstein / Trump dirt.

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They didn't want to kick the hornets nest. Trump doesn't either.

But he's the one who said he was going to drain the swamp. He's the one his FBI director, his sons, his Vice President didn't miss many opportunities discussing the Epstein files and bringing people to justice prior to his election. Let them explain why the others didn't do it before. They are more likely to know the reasons now that they are in power and their president has worked to do the opposite.

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You are crazy to think the Left didn't want to get Trump at all costs. Hell, they've thrown away Bill Clinton just to get Trump and he was their party's rock star until Obama showed up.

If there was anything to get Trump on, it would've been released anytime under Obama's three terms.

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Which makes people wonder why Trump has fought tooth and nail against any further Epstein investigation ever since he got reelected.

If there's nothing there that implicates him, and apparently there isn't, why is he so adamant that the investigation be dropped.

What on earth is motivating Trump's 180-degree switch?

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The only possible scenario I can think of is that he knows that people who CAN kill him will be sicked on him if he exposes everything. I truly believe if he was involved in any illegal activity with Epstein, that he would almost certainly have been exposed.

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JWinTX said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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bobbranco said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Lawyers and Judges don't do investigations. If Patel and now the new blocker Todd Blanche say there is nothing to investigate as there was only one criminal which was JE there's nothing reaching the lawyers and judges.

The congressional "investigation" is a joke by intentional design

Which was the only thing Trump wanted done. He tried to block the house vote to even release the files. .

Trump may not be involved at all but he was100% involved in blocking the release and also any investigations.

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Lawyers are prosecutors and they do investigate. Judges are lawyers and they keep the fees flowing.

Explain to us why Obama, Biden, CIA, FBI, DOJ, the BFs of Trump's first term, etc never found the Epstein / Trump dirt.

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They didn't want to kick the hornets nest. Trump doesn't either.

But he's the one who said he was going to drain the swamp. He's the one his FBI director, his sons, his Vice President didn't miss many opportunities discussing the Epstein files and bringing people to justice prior to his election. Let them explain why the others didn't do it before. They are more likely to know the reasons now that they are in power and their president has worked to do the opposite.

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You are crazy to think the Left didn't want to get Trump at all costs. Hell, they've thrown away Bill Clinton just to get Trump and he was their party's rock star until Obama showed up.

If there was anything to get Trump on, it would've been released anytime under Obama's three terms.

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Which makes people wonder why Trump has fought tooth and nail against any further Epstein investigation ever since he got reelected.

If there's nothing there that implicates him, and apparently there isn't, why is he so adamant that the investigation be dropped.

What on earth is motivating Trump's 180-degree switch?

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Epstein has turned into a major distraction because the left, the CMs, the easily swayed and conspiracy theorists latched onto this new method to get Trump.

Its nothing more, nothing less than that.

And please do not challenge anyone to look into it on their own. They will not.

They just want to know what Kash Patel is doing since he has no other job than to find the fetuses, pickled kids feet, and evidence Mossad is behind everything, including whether the sun shall come up tomorrow.

Would be nice if this thread actually contained anything knew. But alas, it does not.

bobbranco said:

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74OA said:

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JWinTX said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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bobbranco said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Lawyers and Judges don't do investigations. If Patel and now the new blocker Todd Blanche say there is nothing to investigate as there was only one criminal which was JE there's nothing reaching the lawyers and judges.

The congressional "investigation" is a joke by intentional design

Which was the only thing Trump wanted done. He tried to block the house vote to even release the files. .

Trump may not be involved at all but he was100% involved in blocking the release and also any investigations.

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Lawyers are prosecutors and they do investigate. Judges are lawyers and they keep the fees flowing.

Explain to us why Obama, Biden, CIA, FBI, DOJ, the BFs of Trump's first term, etc never found the Epstein / Trump dirt.

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They didn't want to kick the hornets nest. Trump doesn't either.

But he's the one who said he was going to drain the swamp. He's the one his FBI director, his sons, his Vice President didn't miss many opportunities discussing the Epstein files and bringing people to justice prior to his election. Let them explain why the others didn't do it before. They are more likely to know the reasons now that they are in power and their president has worked to do the opposite.

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You are crazy to think the Left didn't want to get Trump at all costs. Hell, they've thrown away Bill Clinton just to get Trump and he was their party's rock star until Obama showed up.

If there was anything to get Trump on, it would've been released anytime under Obama's three terms.

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Which makes people wonder why Trump has fought tooth and nail against any further Epstein investigation ever since he got reelected.

If there's nothing there that implicates him, and apparently there isn't, why is he so adamant that the investigation be dropped.

What on earth is motivating Trump's 180-degree switch?

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Epstein has turned into a major distraction because the left, the CMs, the easily swayed and conspiracy theorists latched onto this new method to get Trump.

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The people I know of who are the most foaming-at-the-mouth are all fellow right wingers TBH. Several of them have all but abandoned Trump over it. They do tend to be my more conspiracy theory oriented friends though FWIW.

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Who hyped up the Epstein "thing" in the First place!
Trump's sons, JD Vance, Kash Patel, Dan Bongino ……….
Yep that is definitely a list of leftists, CM's, and easily swayed conspiracy theorists!

What you are saying is what Trump created as a talking point when he said why are we still talking about this old dead guy and if you still want to you are a moron and I don't want your support! That was fabricated by him when he was trying to kill it as Bondi was getting grilled for reversing course and blocking everything. And it was not directed at the left it was directed at the right - the same ones that listened to his son's, JD Vance, Patel, Bongino, etc etc.

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So Trump calls attention to an issue the Hate America Party wants to ignore. Trump puts people on it who determine there really isn't anything else there to look at, then Trump haterz scream with "Reeeeh! Muh Coverup!! Trump promised me and if the information is not there he needs to make it up!!".

Where is Massie's list of names he promised? Why are you not more incensed about his deception?

Is Ro Khanna still focused on this or is he too busy trying to get behind Nazi American Hatin Wife Beaters in Maine? Or helping Gavin steal erections in California.

Nope. Let's just kick and scream because Trump's team did not "Get Himself!"

Be serious.

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The people I know of who are the most foaming-at-the-mouth are all fellow right wingers TBH. Several of them have all but abandoned Trump over it. They do tend to be my more conspiracy theory oriented friends though FWIW.

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What you have found are not fellow right wingers, what you have found are weak-minded folk prone to brain wash.

They believe Israel killed Kirk, Bibi leads Trump around by the Prince Albert, and that aliens are arriving here to steal Jesus from them.

Your bolded assessment is right.

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AGHouston11 said:

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Who hyped up the Epstein "thing" in the First place!
Trump's sons, JD Vance, Kash Patel, Dan Bongino ……….
Yep that is definitely a list of leftists, CM's, and easily swayed conspiracy theorists!

What you are saying is what Trump created as a talking point when he said why are we still talking about this old dead guy and if you still want to you are a moron and I don't want your support! That was fabricated by him when he was trying to kill it as Bondi was getting grilled for reversing course and blocking everything. And it was not directed at the left it was directed at the right - the same ones that listened to his son's, JD Vance, Patel, Bongino, etc etc.

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So Trump calls attention to an issue the Hate America Party wants to ignore. Trump puts people on it who determine there really isn't anything else there to look at, then Trump haterz scream with "Reeeeh! Muh Coverup!! Trump promised me and if the information is not there he needs to make it up!!".

Where is Massie's list of names he promised? Why are you not more incensed about his deception?

Is Ro Khanna still focused on this or is he too busy trying to get behind Nazi American Hatin Wife Beaters in Maine? Or helping Gavin steal erections in California.

Nope. Let's just kick and scream because Trump's team did not "Get Himself!"

Be serious.

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In summary he and his team became nothing more than the Swamp he promised to drain. Huge disappointment.

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Or, and I know this will be hard to understand, there simply was nothing else actionable in "the files".

Unless you believe in pickled kids feet, buried fetuses and Mossad psyops.

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The people I know of who are the most foaming-at-the-mouth are all fellow right wingers TBH. Several of them have all but abandoned Trump over it. They do tend to be my more conspiracy theory oriented friends though FWIW.

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What you have found are not fellow right wingers, what you have found are weak-minded folk prone to brain wash.

They believe Israel killed Kirk, Bibi leads Trump around by the Prince Albert, and that aliens are arriving here to steal Jesus from them.

Your bolded assessment is right.

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They believed 1000% that kids were being tortured, raped and killed by many powerful elites. And they would never accept anything else. When Trump and Co. pimped the "Epstein binders" and said that they had all kinds of videos and evidence of horrific acts against children, they believed them. That became their number one issue...almost the only issue. So when Trump, several months later, was acting like they were dumb or "trying to distract from the issues" by still wanting answers, many of them became livid and felt a pretty deep sense of betrayl.

To me, the people who are actually honest with themselves, are able to admit that (a) they don't really know what all went on or didn't, and (b) that we will never know anyways because things like this just never get exposed, and certainly justice is never done.

In hindsight, it looks like Trump and his team used it as political election fodder to increase chances of winning in 2024.

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In hindsight, it looks like Trump and his team used it as political election fodder to increase chances of winning in 2024.

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And 100% they have to own that, for better or worse.

Bondi seemed to be much more about flash, pomp and circumstance vs results and let that run a bit too wild during her tenure.

The "empty" binders were world-class stupid and an unforced error. When it became apparent the binders would remain mostly empty, then Trump wanted to move on and for the most part he has.

Now, what ownership do Khanna, Massie, Randy and others have for picking up the political election fodder? Because I think they look worse than Trump at the end of the day. Particularly Massie.

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bobbranco said:

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74OA said:

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JWinTX said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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bobbranco said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Lawyers and Judges don't do investigations. If Patel and now the new blocker Todd Blanche say there is nothing to investigate as there was only one criminal which was JE there's nothing reaching the lawyers and judges.

The congressional "investigation" is a joke by intentional design

Which was the only thing Trump wanted done. He tried to block the house vote to even release the files. .

Trump may not be involved at all but he was100% involved in blocking the release and also any investigations.

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Lawyers are prosecutors and they do investigate. Judges are lawyers and they keep the fees flowing.

Explain to us why Obama, Biden, CIA, FBI, DOJ, the BFs of Trump's first term, etc never found the Epstein / Trump dirt.

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They didn't want to kick the hornets nest. Trump doesn't either.

But he's the one who said he was going to drain the swamp. He's the one his FBI director, his sons, his Vice President didn't miss many opportunities discussing the Epstein files and bringing people to justice prior to his election. Let them explain why the others didn't do it before. They are more likely to know the reasons now that they are in power and their president has worked to do the opposite.

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You are crazy to think the Left didn't want to get Trump at all costs. Hell, they've thrown away Bill Clinton just to get Trump and he was their party's rock star until Obama showed up.

If there was anything to get Trump on, it would've been released anytime under Obama's three terms.

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Which makes people wonder why Trump has fought tooth and nail against any further Epstein investigation ever since he got reelected.

If there's nothing there that implicates him, and apparently there isn't, why is he so adamant that the investigation be dropped.

What on earth is motivating Trump's 180-degree switch?

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Epstein has turned into a major distraction because the left, the CMs, the easily swayed and conspiracy theorists latched onto this new method to get Trump.

---

Who hyped up the Epstein "thing" in the First place!
Trump's sons, JD Vance, Kash Patel, Dan Bongino ……….
Yep that is definitely a list of leftists, CM's, and easily swayed conspiracy theorists!

What you are saying is what Trump created as a talking point when he said why are we still talking about this old dead guy and if you still want to you are a moron and I don't want your support! That was fabricated by him when he was trying to kill it as Bondi was getting grilled for reversing course and blocking everything. And it was not directed at the left it was directed at the right - the same ones that listened to his son's, JD Vance, Patel, Bongino, etc etc.

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We hear the same complaints every time. I am developing cauliflower ears from the repetition.

Repeat the lies. It's one of the top principles of the Hate America Party.

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Howard Lutnick stood at Trumps right hand last week for the world to see. He talked about how bad Epstein was and when he found out he stayed away. Not rumors this was from him in an interview. Come to find out he still talked and associated with Epstein. This guy is a cabinet Sectary that just happens to be Jewish. Don't worry I'm sure he is looking out for American interest.

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Just a random coincidence he happened to live next door to JE
From 1998 to 2019. Not down the street. Not across the street. Just directly adjacent to each other. This is the guy standing next to the president. At least he's been very forthcoming about things.

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Howard Lutnick stood at Trumps right hand last week for the world to see. He talked about how bad Epstein was and when he found out he stayed away. Not rumors this was from him in an interview. Come to find out he still talked and associated with Epstein. This guy is a cabinet Sectary that just happens to be Jewish. Don't worry I'm sure he is looking out for American interest.

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Just a random coincidence he happened to live next door to JE
From 1998 2005 to 2019. Not down the street. Not across the street. Just directly adjacent to each other. This is the guy standing next to the president. At least he's been very forthcoming about things.

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I have one neighbor next doo who I have spoken briefly to only a couple of times in 7 years. He's weird, he's slimy, he's not friendly and he pissed me off landing helicopters in his backyard.

Next time I am standing next to Trump, should I be concerned about what my neighbor may be up to?

Come to find out he had visited Epstein Island in 2012 though I have not seen anything credible that he was there to engage in nefarious activities but certainly open to considering it.

So you have that they were neighbors, with limited interactions of 15 years, who stopped by their neighbors place in the bahamas (with his wife, four children, staff and friends in tow), then remained in Lutnick's contact list until 2018.

Definitely a pedo.

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Key Details of the VisitWho went: Lutnick, his wife Allison, their four children, nannies/staff, another couple and their four children, plus boat staff. The group arrived by boat during a family yacht vacation in the area. abcnews.com

What happened: They had lunch outdoors with Epstein (they did not go inside any buildings). Lutnick has described it as a short, group meal before everyone left together. npr.org

How it came about: Emails in released Epstein/DOJ files show planning. Lutnick has said Epstein's staff somehow learned of his family's nearby vacation plans and extended the invitation, which he found surprising/unsettling. He claims he did not initiate it. bbc.com

Lutnick has repeatedly characterized the visit as one of only three brief, "meaningless and inconsequential" interactions with Epstein over ~14 years (the others being around 2005 and one later scaffolding discussion). He has emphasized that nothing inappropriate occurred, that the entire group (including all children) stayed together, and that he never witnessed anything improper.abcnews.com

Context and PhotosThis was years after Epstein's 2008 conviction for soliciting a minor.
An undated photo from DOJ-released files (later restored after temporary removal) shows Epstein and Lutnick (in a blue shirt and white shorts) with others on the island. cbsnews.com

The visit occurred not long before Lutnick and Epstein had some business-related contact (e.g., around an investment in Adfin).

Lutnick has faced scrutiny and calls for resignation over the visit and his earlier statements about cutting ties with Epstein in 2005, but he has maintained the interactions were minimal and innocuous. This information comes primarily from congressional testimony transcripts, DOJ-released Epstein files/emails, and Lutnick's public statements in 2026 hearings.

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It is convenient you forget that he lied about ever being there until evidence popped up.

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He forgot about an afternoon lunch on a random trip to the Bahamas 15 years ago?

Its not like Lutnick was a nobody. I would imagine that even on vacation is was hounded for meetings and greetings.

Its convenient you gloss over him never going into a house or building there and being with his family.

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Yes nice try. Do you live in New York? The residences are directly adjacent to each other. The front doors are not that far apart.

Some people will make excuses and defend anyone if they think it also defends Trump.

Trump deserves every bit of scrutiny he receives over having this guy in his administration next to him.

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So I am providing facts and experience to you and you say nuh uh your just defending defending Trump.

Meanwhile, you misrepresented when Lutnick became his neighbor by 7 years.

He had an outside lunch on an island just passing through on a trip had nothing to do with Epstein.

Yet you make the jump that he is a conspirator in a pedo ring working with Trump to cover it up.

Do you expect people to take you seriously?

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AGHouston11 said:

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Yes nice try. Do you live in New York? The residences are directly adjacent to each other. The front doors are not that far apart.

Some people will make excuses and defend anyone if they think it also defends Trump.

Trump deserves every bit of scrutiny he receives over having this guy in his administration next to him.

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So I am providing facts and experience to you and you say nuh uh your just defending defending Trump.

Meanwhile, you misrepresented when Lutnick became his neighbor by 7 years.

He had an outside lunch on an island just passing through on a trip had nothing to do with Epstein.

Yet you make the jump that he is a conspirator in a pedo ring working with Trump to cover it up.

Do you expect people to take you seriously?

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Lol now you are worried about facts. Something as what year they started living next door to each other (1998 vs 2005)

Yet you have zero problem with Lutnick's representation of facts.

AGHouston11 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Yes nice try. Do you live in New York? The residences are directly adjacent to each other. The front doors are not that far apart.

Some people will make excuses and defend anyone if they think it also defends Trump.

Trump deserves every bit of scrutiny he receives over having this guy in his administration next to him.

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So I am providing facts and experience to you and you say nuh uh your just defending defending Trump.

Meanwhile, you misrepresented when Lutnick became his neighbor by 7 years.

He had an outside lunch on an island just passing through on a trip had nothing to do with Epstein.

Yet you make the jump that he is a conspirator in a pedo ring working with Trump to cover it up.

Do you expect people to take you seriously?

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Lol now you are worried about facts. Something as what year they started living next door to each other (1998 vs 2005)

Yet you have zero problem with Lutnick's representation of facts.

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They renovated the residence and he and his family did not move in until 2005.

But I am sure folks think over those 7-years is when all the kid-piddling, feet-pickling, and fetus chopping up occurred.

And I guess on Little St James you think Lutnick porked some underage phillies on the beach in front of his wife, 4 kids, boat crew and various other friends?

Is that the story you are running with? Are you the one who called in all the allegations that came out in the millions and millions of unredacted files released by Trump?

flown-the-coop said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Yes nice try. Do you live in New York? The residences are directly adjacent to each other. The front doors are not that far apart.

Some people will make excuses and defend anyone if they think it also defends Trump.

Trump deserves every bit of scrutiny he receives over having this guy in his administration next to him.

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So I am providing facts and experience to you and you say nuh uh your just defending defending Trump.

Meanwhile, you misrepresented when Lutnick became his neighbor by 7 years.

He had an outside lunch on an island just passing through on a trip had nothing to do with Epstein.

Yet you make the jump that he is a conspirator in a pedo ring working with Trump to cover it up.

Do you expect people to take you seriously?

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Lol now you are worried about facts. Something as what year they started living next door to each other (1998 vs 2005)

Yet you have zero problem with Lutnick's representation of facts.

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They renovated the residence and he and his family did not move in until 2005.

But I am sure folks think over those 7-years is when all the kid-piddling, feet-pickling, and fetus chopping up occurred.

And I guess on Little St James you think Lutnick porked some underage phillies on the beach in front of his wife, 4 kids, boat crew and various other friends?

Is that the story you are running with? Are you the one who called in all the allegations that came out in the millions and millions of unredacted files released by Trump?

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Lol you said all that. I think him lying about the known events are enough he should not be standing next to the president. You are ok with that. I'm not.

AGHouston11 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Yes nice try. Do you live in New York? The residences are directly adjacent to each other. The front doors are not that far apart.

Some people will make excuses and defend anyone if they think it also defends Trump.

Trump deserves every bit of scrutiny he receives over having this guy in his administration next to him.

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So I am providing facts and experience to you and you say nuh uh your just defending defending Trump.

Meanwhile, you misrepresented when Lutnick became his neighbor by 7 years.

He had an outside lunch on an island just passing through on a trip had nothing to do with Epstein.

Yet you make the jump that he is a conspirator in a pedo ring working with Trump to cover it up.

Do you expect people to take you seriously?

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Lol now you are worried about facts. Something as what year they started living next door to each other (1998 vs 2005)

Yet you have zero problem with Lutnick's representation of facts.

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They renovated the residence and he and his family did not move in until 2005.

But I am sure folks think over those 7-years is when all the kid-piddling, feet-pickling, and fetus chopping up occurred.

And I guess on Little St James you think Lutnick porked some underage phillies on the beach in front of his wife, 4 kids, boat crew and various other friends?

Is that the story you are running with? Are you the one who called in all the allegations that came out in the millions and millions of unredacted files released by Trump?

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Lol you you said all that. I think him lying about the known events are enough he should not be standing next to the president. You are ok with that. I'm not.

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I don't believe that ftc is serious about that.

You literally lied at worst, intentionally misled at bestin this thread but hold Lutnick to a different standard?

Thats legit bro. Extra blue star!

Until you put forth actual evidence that Team Trump was not fully responsive to the Khanna-Massie nonsense, the. I think my post is 100% accurate.

How is the digging at Zorro Ranch coming along? Those New Mexico guys seem so serious they have to date done nothing g.

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Until you put forth actual evidence that Team Trump was not fully responsive to the Khanna-Massie nonsense, the. I think my post is 100% accurate.

How is the digging at Zorro Ranch coming along? Those New Mexico guys seem so serious they have to date done nothing g.

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So glad you asked. There are two investigation. One seems to focus on Bill Richardson's dealings with Epstein and the other inquiry in regards to the DOJ telling NM to cease their investigation in 2019. I am pleased that you are showing concern.

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flown-the-coop said:

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You literally lied at worst, intentionally misled at bestin this thread but hold Lutnick to a different standard?

Thats legit bro. Extra blue star!

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So the big lie is that he bought the house next to Epstein in 1998 but didn't move in to 2005. So when I said that he lived next door to Epstein from 1998 to 2019 you want to call that huge lie.

You some how think those years are a huge deal. Not that he actually lived next door to him before and after he was a known pedophile. Not that he visited him but seemed to not remember and lied about it.

You are ok with Lutnick lying. I'm not. But sure go ahead and bash me so you can feel better as you try to rationalize it

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i am not bashing you and clearing up your misinfo is a burden not a pleasure.

Do you think Lutnick should have sold? After spending 7 years renovating the place?

And you continue to ignore the proper context of the island visit to try and paint him as some sort of regular. If you have those facts, put em up. Else your are intentionally misleading the discussion.

But thats enough on that. I think people know Lutnick is NBD.

If certain individuals are being shielded based on who they know, we can agree that is wrong. Why defend known liars?

Ask Lutnick why he lied

In the interim, everybody lies at some point or another for various reasons. Every single person. Every person. No exceptions.

Unless he was covering up something, he may have lied or omitted a certain recollection. Maybe he genuinely misremembered.

But having lunch on a beach with family present does not give the indication Lutnick was up to bad things.