TA-OP said:

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bobbranco said:

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We get it. You are a leftist. Enjoy goaltending for them.

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Figures. You can't help but disagree and argue to own a lib. I say the Dems are bad for doing something and that's goal tending?

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Whats the alternative? Seriously. Theres nobway to divvy up the districts that won't favor one party or the other.

Trying to do it now is guaranteed suicide for your representation because the dems have already maxed out their districts.

Who?mikejones! said:

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TA-OP said:

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bobbranco said:

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We get it. You are a leftist. Enjoy goaltending for them.

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Figures. You can't help but disagree and argue to own a lib. I say the Dems are bad for doing something and that's goal tending?

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Whats the alternative? Seriously. Theres nobway to divvy up the districts that won't favor one party or the other.

Trying to do it now is guaranteed suicide for your representation because the dems have already maxed out their districts.

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I don't know about you, but in my life something being hard doesn't mean you shouldn't try. It's only impossible if you want it to be.

American Hardwood said:

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I believe you have been fair on this thread. I don't get the harsh criticism.

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The name instantly attracts trolls.

Are they removed yet?

TA-OP said:

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You can't help but disagree and argue to own a lib. I say the Dems are bad for doing something and that's goal tending?

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Owning people is wrong.

We fought a war about that!!

the most cool guy said:

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Are they removed yet?

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This is the only thing important.

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Who?mikejones! said:

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bobbranco said:

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We get it. You are a leftist. Enjoy goaltending for them.

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Figures. You can't help but disagree and argue to own a lib. I say the Dems are bad for doing something and that's goal tending?

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Whats the alternative? Seriously. Theres nobway to divvy up the districts that won't favor one party or the other.

Trying to do it now is guaranteed suicide for your representation because the dems have already maxed out their districts.

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I don't know about you, but in my life something being hard doesn't mean you shouldn't try. It's only impossible if you want it to be.

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You have to do it democratically

Democratically = must favor dems


Gerrymandering and disenfranchising voters. = anything not favorable to dems


See how this works?

TA-OP said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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TA-OP said:

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bobbranco said:

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We get it. You are a leftist. Enjoy goaltending for them.

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Figures. You can't help but disagree and argue to own a lib. I say the Dems are bad for doing something and that's goal tending?

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Whats the alternative? Seriously. Theres nobway to divvy up the districts that won't favor one party or the other.

Trying to do it now is guaranteed suicide for your representation because the dems have already maxed out their districts.

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I don't know about you, but in my life something being hard doesn't mean you shouldn't try. It's only impossible if you want it to be.

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Lol. Im asking you to give me your opinion on what should be done and how you think it may be accomplished.

Not some bs platitudes. Go on.

Who?mikejones! said:

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TA-OP said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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TA-OP said:

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bobbranco said:

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We get it. You are a leftist. Enjoy goaltending for them.

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Figures. You can't help but disagree and argue to own a lib. I say the Dems are bad for doing something and that's goal tending?

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Whats the alternative? Seriously. Theres nobway to divvy up the districts that won't favor one party or the other.

Trying to do it now is guaranteed suicide for your representation because the dems have already maxed out their districts.

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I don't know about you, but in my life something being hard doesn't mean you shouldn't try. It's only impossible if you want it to be.

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Lol. Im asking you to give me your opinion on what should be done and how you think it may be accomplished.

Not some bs platitudes. Go on.

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I already addressed my thoughts in this thread. I'm not retyping just because you want to be lazy and not read the thread.

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Who?mikejones! said:

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TA-OP said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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bobbranco said:

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We get it. You are a leftist. Enjoy goaltending for them.

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Figures. You can't help but disagree and argue to own a lib. I say the Dems are bad for doing something and that's goal tending?

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Whats the alternative? Seriously. Theres nobway to divvy up the districts that won't favor one party or the other.

Trying to do it now is guaranteed suicide for your representation because the dems have already maxed out their districts.

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I don't know about you, but in my life something being hard doesn't mean you shouldn't try. It's only impossible if you want it to be.

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Lol. Im asking you to give me your opinion on what should be done and how you think it may be accomplished.

Not some bs platitudes. Go on.

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I already addressed my thoughts in this thread. I'm not retyping just because you want to be lazy and not read the thread.

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So nothing

Who?mikejones! said:

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TA-OP said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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TA-OP said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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bobbranco said:

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We get it. You are a leftist. Enjoy goaltending for them.

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Figures. You can't help but disagree and argue to own a lib. I say the Dems are bad for doing something and that's goal tending?

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Whats the alternative? Seriously. Theres nobway to divvy up the districts that won't favor one party or the other.

Trying to do it now is guaranteed suicide for your representation because the dems have already maxed out their districts.

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I don't know about you, but in my life something being hard doesn't mean you shouldn't try. It's only impossible if you want it to be.

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Lol. Im asking you to give me your opinion on what should be done and how you think it may be accomplished.

Not some bs platitudes. Go on.

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I already addressed my thoughts in this thread. I'm not retyping just because you want to be lazy and not read the thread.

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So nothing

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Sure… that's exactly what I said.

Hard for me to believe there isn't a way to have a computer model spit out population balanced districts that are:

- compact and contiguous
- prioritize county lines, school district borders, and major thoroughfares.

No considerations of where current seat holders reside, race or other demographic breakdowns, etc.

sam callahan said:

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Hard for me to believe there isn't a way to have a computer model spit out population balanced districts that are:

- compact and contiguous
- prioritize county lines, school district borders, and major thoroughfares.

No considerations of where current seat holders reside, race or other demographic breakdowns, etc.

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It could be done, but I'm not sure everyone would consider the results to be fair. Take Texas, for example. The software could end up splitting Democrat blocks in the cities so that they can't compete anywhere else, or, on the other hand, it could end up packing Republicans into 90/10 districts in rural areas, and creating somewhat competitive districts in the cities where Democrats could edge out Republicans and get more seats than their vote share would suggest.

I'm in favor of redrawing the Texas map this year, given the corrupt Census results that were skewed for the Democrats, but, if Article 2 of the VRA is struck down by the Supreme Court in the upcoming term, and Congress were to pass an Act limiting redistricting to once per decade (and bar courts from drawing the lines), then I'd be in favor of doing that and leaving state legislatures to their own devices.

In states where you see population change, getting too cute and trying to maximize your seats at the start of the cycle can end up burning you at the end of the cycle. I forget whether it was the end of the 00's or the 10's where Texas's legislative districts, drawn at the start of the decade to elect maximum numbers of Republicans, ended up with a bunch of districts that leaned slightly D due to population changes over that 10 year period.

sam callahan said:

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Hard for me to believe there isn't a way to have a computer model spit out population balanced districts that are:

- compact and contiguous
- prioritize county lines, school district borders, and major thoroughfares.

No considerations of where current seat holders reside, race or other demographic breakdowns, etc.

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This would not be difficult to do.

But, who would want to do that?

I find it absurd that race was ever a permissible basis for drawing congressional districts. Thanks Voting Rights Act and SCOTUS.

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sam callahan said:

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Hard for me to believe there isn't a way to have a computer model spit out population balanced districts that are:

- compact and contiguous
- prioritize county lines, school district borders, and major thoroughfares.

No considerations of where current seat holders reside, race or other demographic breakdowns, etc.

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This would not be difficult to do.

But, who would want to do that?

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Districts were like that before the courts forced the legislature to redistrict based on the principle of one man, one vote. It resulted in one district for Dallas County, which was the most populous CD in the country, and 2 for Harris County. But it had lots of nice long straight lines!

https://redistricting.capitol.texas.gov/docs/maps/map_c_1958_1964.pdf

For those interested in looking back at other historical congressional maps:
https://redistricting.capitol.texas.gov/history

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sam callahan said:

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Hard for me to believe there isn't a way to have a computer model spit out population balanced districts that are:

- compact and contiguous
- prioritize county lines, school district borders, and major thoroughfares.

No considerations of where current seat holders reside, race or other demographic breakdowns, etc.

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It could be done, but I'm not sure everyone would consider the results to be fair. Take Texas, for example. The software could end up splitting Democrat blocks in the cities so that they can't compete anywhere else, or, on the other hand, it could end up packing Republicans into 90/10 districts in rural areas, and creating somewhat competitive districts in the cities where Democrats could edge out Republicans and get more seats than their vote share would suggest.

I'm in favor of redrawing the Texas map this year, given the corrupt Census results that were skewed for the Democrats, but, if Article 2 of the VRA is struck down by the Supreme Court in the upcoming term, and Congress were to pass an Act limiting redistricting to once per decade (and bar courts from drawing the lines), then I'd be in favor of doing that and leaving state legislatures to their own devices.

In states where you see population change, getting too cute and trying to maximize your seats at the start of the cycle can end up burning you at the end of the cycle. I forget whether it was the end of the 00's or the 10's where Texas's legislative districts, drawn at the start of the decade to elect maximum numbers of Republicans, ended up with a bunch of districts that leaned slightly D due to population changes over that 10 year period.

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That was 2000...

That was the cause of the big fight when TX redistricted in IIRC 2002. But it WAS needed, since the Dems controlled the TX legislature as well as the House delegation even though the Reps had won every statewide election since 1994 - meaning TX as a whole was Republican, not Dem...

The bottom line in all this is that there's no way for the Dems to run out the clock, so this is just wasting everyone's time.

Jugstore Cowboy said:

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BusterAg said:

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sam callahan said:

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Hard for me to believe there isn't a way to have a computer model spit out population balanced districts that are:

- compact and contiguous
- prioritize county lines, school district borders, and major thoroughfares.

No considerations of where current seat holders reside, race or other demographic breakdowns, etc.

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This would not be difficult to do.

But, who would want to do that?

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Districts were like that before the courts forced the legislature to redistrict based on the principle of one man, one vote. It resulted in one district for Dallas County, which was the most populous CD in the country, and 2 for Harris County. But it had lots of nice long straight lines!

https://redistricting.capitol.texas.gov/docs/maps/map_c_1958_1964.pdf

For those interested in looking back at other historical congressional maps:
https://redistricting.capitol.texas.gov/history

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Thanks for that link to the historic districts. I had a relative, Graham Purcell (dad's first cousin), who represented District 13 back in the 60s as a Democrat. When redistricting was happening in '72, he was told by Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes not to worry, that his district would not change much. But, at the last minute, as the insistence of a State Senator from Lufkin, who wanted a congressional district drawn to suit his needs, the final '72 radically changed his district from one centered on Wichita Falls, to one centered on the Panhandle. Barnes told him it wouldn't be a problem winning that district, but George McGovern changed that. Graham always said it was the best thing that ever happened to him because he would have never made any money had he stayed in Congress (though he was always a little pissed that he just missed out on chairing the Ag committee).

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BusterAg said:

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sam callahan said:

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Hard for me to believe there isn't a way to have a computer model spit out population balanced districts that are:

- compact and contiguous
- prioritize county lines, school district borders, and major thoroughfares.

No considerations of where current seat holders reside, race or other demographic breakdowns, etc.

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This would not be difficult to do.

But, who would want to do that?

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Districts were like that before the courts forced the legislature to redistrict based on the principle of one man, one vote. It resulted in one district for Dallas County, which was the most populous CD in the country, and 2 for Harris County. But it had lots of nice long straight lines!

https://redistricting.capitol.texas.gov/docs/maps/map_c_1958_1964.pdf

For those interested in looking back at other historical congressional maps:
https://redistricting.capitol.texas.gov/history

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Still shouldn't be tough to do and even get pretty close to the same number of voters per district. With the amount of data publicly available, I'm pretty sure a graduate student could pull this off.

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If you don't think that this is whole stunt is being funded and strategized by a Democratic National Party think tank (hopefully not using our tax-payer dollars) then you're kidding yourself. They want this to be a national headline to try and help the Democratic Party. There are precedents in the written in Texas Law about this, so its in no way an over-reach by the governor to enforce the clearly stated law.

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Andddd it comes out. Beto O Rourke super PAC. What a ****. Probably only part of the story. But that's people's donations to fly private jets to other states for no reason. Good job democrats

Texas DPS and the FBI are tracking down the derelict Democrats.

They will be taken directly to the Texas Capitol.

Those who received benefits for skipping a vote face removal from office and potential bribery charges.

In Texas, there are consequences for your actions. pic.twitter.com/0NiJHh4HBQ

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) August 7, 2025

will25u said:

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Texas DPS and the FBI are tracking down the derelict Democrats.

They will be taken directly to the Texas Capitol.

Those who received benefits for skipping a vote face removal from office and potential bribery charges.

In Texas, there are consequences for your actions. pic.twitter.com/0NiJHh4HBQ

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) August 7, 2025

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Yeah, I'm waiting to see those consequences. We'll see if Abbott follows through on his tough talk. I'm skeptical until it happens.

will25u said:

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Texas DPS and the FBI are tracking down the derelict Democrats.

They will be taken directly to the Texas Capitol.

Those who received benefits for skipping a vote face removal from office and potential bribery charges.

In Texas, there are consequences for your actions. pic.twitter.com/0NiJHh4HBQ

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) August 7, 2025

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Those who received benefits for skipping a vote face removal from office and potential bribery charges.

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will25u said:

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Texas DPS and the FBI are tracking down the derelict Democrats.

They will be taken directly to the Texas Capitol.

Those who received benefits for skipping a vote face removal from office and potential bribery charges.

In Texas, there are consequences for your actions. pic.twitter.com/0NiJHh4HBQ

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) August 7, 2025

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They are still posting on Facebook. My Rep Zweiner is. So should not be hard to find but we all know we will see if Abbott is all talk again.

I do appreciate the ignorance in this thread.

Civil warrants have been issued. They are not effective outside of Texas borders.

Abbott has filed a quo warranto suit in the Texas Supreme Court against Gene Wu. Court gave Mr. Wu until Friday to file his answer.

Speaker gave a deadline of Friday for the run aways to return.

What else do you think needs to be done today?

Troy91 said:

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I do appreciate the ignorance in this thread.

Civil warrants have been issued. They are not effective outside of Texas borders.

Abbott has filed a quo warranto suit in the Texas Supreme Court against Gene Wu. Court gave Mr. Wu until Friday to file his answer.

Speaker gave a deadline of Friday for the run aways to return.

What else do you think needs to be done today?

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But Big Bad MAGA Warrior John Cornyn has the FBI on the case!

TA-OP said:

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bobbranco said:

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We get it. You are a leftist. Enjoy goaltending for them.

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Figures. You can't help but disagree and argue to own a lib. I say the Dems are bad for doing something and that's goal tending?

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Did I hear anything from you about the left returning their seats taken by gerrymandering? Nope.

🚨 BREAKING: Texas AG Ken Paxton just launched a major investigation into a GEORGE SOROS-funded PAC for "unlawfully funding runaway Democrats," who are now blocking a vote on the new Congressional map.

Ken Paxton is going ALL-OUT.

"If Texas lawmakers are bowing to the Soros… pic.twitter.com/qd3nP9gPQ9

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) August 7, 2025

will25u said:

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🚨 BREAKING: Texas AG Ken Paxton just launched a major investigation into a GEORGE SOROS-funded PAC for "unlawfully funding runaway Democrats," who are now blocking a vote on the new Congressional map.

Ken Paxton is going ALL-OUT.

"If Texas lawmakers are bowing to the Soros… pic.twitter.com/qd3nP9gPQ9

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) August 7, 2025

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Thought it was Beto?

sam callahan said:

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Hard for me to believe there isn't a way to have a computer model spit out population balanced districts that are:

- compact and contiguous
- prioritize county lines, school district borders, and major thoroughfares.

No considerations of where current seat holders reside, race or other demographic breakdowns, etc.

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Remember that computers are just machines that must be programmed by a human being. AI has learning capacity, but it didn't just invent itself out of thin air. It was built by a human being and then given its initial knowledge base from human beings.

So I'm not going to have much trust in what a computer model could spit out regarding population balanced districts any more than I ever trusted the BCS computer football rankings. Who designed the model? What properties does the model contain? How does the code interact with the model?

Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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sam callahan said:

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Hard for me to believe there isn't a way to have a computer model spit out population balanced districts that are:

- compact and contiguous
- prioritize county lines, school district borders, and major thoroughfares.

No considerations of where current seat holders reside, race or other demographic breakdowns, etc.

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Remember that computers are just machines that must be programmed by a human being. AI has learning capacity, but it didn't just invent itself out of thin air. It was built by a human being and then given its initial knowledge base from human beings.

So I'm not going to have much trust in what a computer model could spit out regarding population balanced districts any more than I ever trusted the BCS computer football rankings. Who designed the model? What properties does the model contain? How does the code interact with the model?

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Let's get Dominion to program it.

Science Denier said:

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will25u said:

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🚨 BREAKING: Texas AG Ken Paxton just launched a major investigation into a GEORGE SOROS-funded PAC for "unlawfully funding runaway Democrats," who are now blocking a vote on the new Congressional map.

Ken Paxton is going ALL-OUT.

"If Texas lawmakers are bowing to the Soros… pic.twitter.com/qd3nP9gPQ9

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) August 7, 2025

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Thought it was Beto?

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is there really any difference

BQ_90 said:

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Science Denier said:

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will25u said:

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🚨 BREAKING: Texas AG Ken Paxton just launched a major investigation into a GEORGE SOROS-funded PAC for "unlawfully funding runaway Democrats," who are now blocking a vote on the new Congressional map.

Ken Paxton is going ALL-OUT.

"If Texas lawmakers are bowing to the Soros… pic.twitter.com/qd3nP9gPQ9

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) August 7, 2025

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Thought it was Beto?

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is there really any difference

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One is a billionaire that buys his influence thru media matters and thru politicians on the take

One is a grifter that takes money any way he can get it. Has about $0.20 in his bank account.

Science Denier said:

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BQ_90 said:

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Science Denier said:

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will25u said:

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🚨 BREAKING: Texas AG Ken Paxton just launched a major investigation into a GEORGE SOROS-funded PAC for "unlawfully funding runaway Democrats," who are now blocking a vote on the new Congressional map.

Ken Paxton is going ALL-OUT.

"If Texas lawmakers are bowing to the Soros… pic.twitter.com/qd3nP9gPQ9

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) August 7, 2025

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Thought it was Beto?

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is there really any difference

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One is a billionaire that buys his influence thru media matters and thru politicians on the take

One is a grifter that takes money any way he can get it. Has about $0.20 in his bank account.

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well i meant isn't soros backing beto, meaning its all soros money