doubledog said:

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It is 3:00pm do you know where your representative is?

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My rep. Cecil Bell is in Austin.

Are they fired yet?

deddog said:

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TA-OP said:

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Troy91 said:

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Most of the blue states that are threatening to redistrict cannot. Those states use bipartisan boards to redistrict and not legislative votes.

Blue states are stuck in their bureaucracy and that is why they are crying over Texas doing anything that they did not plan on happening.

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Those blue states have a well-intentioned desire to ensure representation that reflects the voters. What Texas is doing is a blatant gerrymandering power grab, and blue states should remove their redistricting boards to follow suit.

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Is this a real post?

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I fail to understand why we don't take advantage of technology and its ability to be non-partisan. It seems like there should be some sort of Monte Carlo simulation that could accomplish the goal.

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Because that cedes control from politicians to the people?

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There are several posts in this thread justifying the move because vote percentage doesn't match percentage of reps. I see math as the best way to accomplish the goal of having the House better reflect the makeup of the country.

Science Denier said:

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Are they fired yet?

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I wish. Abbott needs to refer them for felony charges and then start removing them.

On duty no shrooms for me

Here for the firings.

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There are several posts in this thread justifying the move because vote percentage doesn't match percentage of reps. I see math as the best way to accomplish the goal of having the House better reflect the makeup of the country.

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Try and understand this. What Rs did was what is SUPPOSED to be done, which is aligning the vote percentages appropriately. Hispanics broke hard for Trump and they are VASTLY underrepresented, and the Rs are fixing that.

What the Dems do not want to acknowledge is that not only have the demographics in Texas changed, but the voting preferences outside of a few areas have pushed harder to the red.

Again, what is being done is what is SUPPOSED to be done. Hard for libs to get this as they like appointing folks and not voting.

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Ag87H2O said:

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I don't always agree with Abbott, but this is how you fight Democrats. You don't let them set the terms of the battlefield. You fight them every opportunity you get, any way you can, and you go after those responsible for funding their actions. Don't let them breathe for one second.

Democrats would not hesitate to do the same were the rolls reversed. It's good to see Republicans start fighting back and not whining about how there's nothing they can do.

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Look at California. 42% of voters are republicans, yet they are only represented by 13%. Hyprocrites as usual.

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Mark Levin had a podcast on this. It was absolutely disgusting how the Democratic Party leadership has screwed the Republican voters in numerous states.

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deddog said:

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deddog said:

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texink said:

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Troy91 said:

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Most of the blue states that are threatening to redistrict cannot. Those states use bipartisan boards to redistrict and not legislative votes.

Blue states are stuck in their bureaucracy and that is why they are crying over Texas doing anything that they did not plan on happening.

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Those blue states have a well-intentioned desire to ensure representation that reflects the voters. What Texas is doing is a blatant gerrymandering power grab, and blue states should remove their redistricting boards to follow suit.

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Is this a real post?

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I fail to understand why we don't take advantage of technology and its ability to be non-partisan. It seems like there should be some sort of Monte Carlo simulation that could accomplish the goal.

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Because that cedes control from politicians to the people?

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There are several posts in this thread justifying the move because vote percentage doesn't match percentage of reps. I see math as the best way to accomplish the goal of having the House better reflect the makeup of the country.

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This is a great idea, but in my opinion would require a much more thorough and legitimate census. Too many people complain that their demographic isn't represented enough, so the census would have to capture everything that is needed for redistricting and essentially say if your demographic is not specified on the census then it is irrelevant for this round.

And obviously it would need the citizenship question made legitimate. And consequences enforced for knowingly answering any census question wrong, though I'm not a fan of big gov forcing it's citizens to answer more questions than necessary.

Madagascar said:

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BREAKING - Texas Democrats have blocked a redistricting vote by breaking quorum, and Texas lawmakers have now passed a motion to issue arrest warrants for them. pic.twitter.com/1CbLGUK8CG

— Right Angle News Network (@Rightanglenews) August 4, 2025

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My rep is present and doing his job after being at a fundraiser in his district for victims of sexual assault this weekend. Proud to have voted for that man and have him represent me rather than being a child who runs away when he isn't getting his way.

Science Denier said:

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Are they fired yet?

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They aren't going to be fired. That would take a quo warranto action in a district court (and which, I believe, can only be filed by a district attorney). I doubt that there are enough absent Democrats whose districts include Republican district attorney's to file the quo warranto case. Same problem with bribery charges for taking donations to fund this illegal act.

So, the only remedy will be to keep calling special sessions. These people can't stay out of state forever.

doubledog said:

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It is 3:00pm do you know where your representative is?

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Giovanni Capriglione? Probably banging some stripper behind a Chuck E. Cheese.

Tea Party said:

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deddog said:

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deddog said:

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texink said:

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Troy91 said:

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Most of the blue states that are threatening to redistrict cannot. Those states use bipartisan boards to redistrict and not legislative votes.

Blue states are stuck in their bureaucracy and that is why they are crying over Texas doing anything that they did not plan on happening.

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Those blue states have a well-intentioned desire to ensure representation that reflects the voters. What Texas is doing is a blatant gerrymandering power grab, and blue states should remove their redistricting boards to follow suit.

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Is this a real post?

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I fail to understand why we don't take advantage of technology and its ability to be non-partisan. It seems like there should be some sort of Monte Carlo simulation that could accomplish the goal.

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Because that cedes control from politicians to the people?

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There are several posts in this thread justifying the move because vote percentage doesn't match percentage of reps. I see math as the best way to accomplish the goal of having the House better reflect the makeup of the country.

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This is a great idea, but in my opinion would require a much more thorough and legitimate census. Too many people complain that their demographic isn't represented enough, so the census would have to capture everything that is needed for redistricting and essentially say if your demographic is not specified on the census then it is irrelevant for this round.

And obviously it would need the citizenship question made legitimate. And consequences enforced for knowingly answering any census question wrong, though I'm not a fan of big gov forcing it's citizens to answer more questions than necessary.

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It's not simple math and demographic analysis to draw districts. The 14th and 15th have concepts that have been *******ized into oblivion by inconsistent case law over the years.

Texas has a very legitimate case of Hispanics being underrepresented particular regarding conservative Hispanics and this is to give them a more representative voice.

https://redistricting.capitol.texas.gov/reqs

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Then another comes in claiming technology is non-partisan. Dominion voting systems, Google searches and even Elon's AI have shown incredible, partisan biases.

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It's straight-forward math. Math isn't partisan.Heck, put the data out there if you don't trust the results. But a Monte Carlo goal-seek to have districts that are equal in size (population) while aiming to have the number of districts considered red/blue equivalent to the state vote percentage.

For example, let's consider State "Emptycoop." After the Census, it's determined that Emptycoop gets 25 districts. Now, Emptycoop obviously leans blue because while else would you have left? State election results showed the percentage was 56.5% Dem to 43.5% Rep. Math should be able to figure out 25 reasonable looking districts each with relatively similar populations and for it to be 14:11 Dem:Rep. Here, "reasonable looking" is the only subjective variable. But I think just about everyone knows what weird district shapes look like.

See link I posted.

simple math and geography would undoubtedly be challenged on basis of 14th / 15th amendment violations.

I am find amending or repealing those amendments, as they only seem to be used to protect child mutilation, sodomy and BLM riots and not offer anything to victims of Biden's weaponized DOJ, but that's a separate convo.

That's my interpretation.

flown-the-coop said:

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TA-OP said:

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There are several posts in this thread justifying the move because vote percentage doesn't match percentage of reps. I see math as the best way to accomplish the goal of having the House better reflect the makeup of the country.

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Try and understand this. What Rs did was what is SUPPOSED to be done DURING A CENSUS YEAR, WHICH ISN'T UNTIL AFTER 2030, which is aligning the vote percentages appropriately. Hispanics broke hard for Trump and they are VASTLY underrepresented, and the Rs are fixing that.

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FIFY

flown-the-coop said:

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Tea Party said:

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TA-OP said:

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deddog said:

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TA-OP said:

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deddog said:

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texink said:

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Troy91 said:

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Most of the blue states that are threatening to redistrict cannot. Those states use bipartisan boards to redistrict and not legislative votes.

Blue states are stuck in their bureaucracy and that is why they are crying over Texas doing anything that they did not plan on happening.

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Those blue states have a well-intentioned desire to ensure representation that reflects the voters. What Texas is doing is a blatant gerrymandering power grab, and blue states should remove their redistricting boards to follow suit.

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Is this a real post?

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I fail to understand why we don't take advantage of technology and its ability to be non-partisan. It seems like there should be some sort of Monte Carlo simulation that could accomplish the goal.

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Because that cedes control from politicians to the people?

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There are several posts in this thread justifying the move because vote percentage doesn't match percentage of reps. I see math as the best way to accomplish the goal of having the House better reflect the makeup of the country.

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This is a great idea, but in my opinion would require a much more thorough and legitimate census. Too many people complain that their demographic isn't represented enough, so the census would have to capture everything that is needed for redistricting and essentially say if your demographic is not specified on the census then it is irrelevant for this round.

And obviously it would need the citizenship question made legitimate. And consequences enforced for knowingly answering any census question wrong, though I'm not a fan of big gov forcing it's citizens to answer more questions than necessary.

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It's not simple math and demographic analysis to draw districts. The 14th and 15th have concepts that have been *******ized into oblivion by inconsistent case law over the years.

Texas has a very legitimate case of Hispanics being underrepresented particular regarding conservative Hispanics and this is to give them a more representative voice.

https://redistricting.capitol.texas.gov/reqs

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But that is simple math and demographics....

If a demographic (conservative hispanics) is under represented, and that demographic is deemed to be legitmate worth accounting for regarding representation, then that should be taken into account when drawing the district lines.

In order to achieve good district lines, you would have to have an agreed upon and thoroughly valid set of input data to account for all the required demographics and desired outcomes. Our legislatures are supposedly making their best attempt to achieve these goals and are using the best set of data available to them, but the human factor twists the results in the direction they want and unfortunately has trended more towards gerrymandering to play catch up with blue states...

It can be done mathematically with minimal human touch, provided the input data is not garbage. I'd argue that the human touch is garbage based on the district map nonsense they've given us in the past and ever increasing desire for gerrymandering, but that's just me being an old man yelling at clouds .

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See link I posted.

simple math and geography would undoubtedly be challenged on basis of 14th / 15th amendment violations.

I am find amending or repealing those amendments, as they only seem to be used to protect child mutilation, sodomy and BLM riots and not offer anything to victims of Biden's weaponized DOJ, but that's a separate convo.

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1) I'm not trying to play liberal here and say I disagree with Republicans redrawing their districts here. It's their right and the Dems response is as petty and stupid as it was the last time the tactic was used.

2) I'm not opposed to modifying the Constitution to make this a reality just like I'm not opposed to every Amendment idea posted here.

3) I've always viewed gerrymandering as childish and stupid. I'm a little anti people acting like spoiled brats, especially our Representation. Representation was the reason we fought for Independence.

4) We're moving into an age with quantum computing. The amount of computing resources required will only improve with time.

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He is not their boss. He did not hire them, and he should not be able to fire them. A governor firing a congressman is the opposite of representative government.

I disagree with elected officials being little *****es and fleeing to other states like a bunch of cowards, and I would never vote for for someone who has ever done something like this. But if their constituents support their behavior, there is nothing I nor the governor should be able to do about it.

We are a republic, not a dictatorship.

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Yes. And legislators are elected to represent their constituents in the capitol - nothing says that they are only supposed to represent their constituents on bills they agree with. In fact, that is the opposite of the role they are elected to. Their job is to represent the people of the State of Texas, which they can do by opposing the bill - but still having to show up.

I agree with above that their willful action of leaving the state constitutes abandonment of their jobs. They are basically a no-show, which in the real world gets you fired and summarily replaced.

Problem was the continued lawsuits by LULAC, MALC and Biden's DOJ claiming the updated 2021 maps were racist, particularly against Mexicans.

Why are libs so supportive of perpetuating racism?

We should ensure people of all colors have a voice, that includes brown people not just whites v blacks.

I would love to see Abbott call the DOJ and request marshals pick up the dems who crossed state lines and ship them back to Texas tonight.

You still have to account for challenges regarding the 14th and 15th. Remember, that saying "because that is what the math and data says the result is" is inherently systemically racist and a reflection of white privilege and their plug in fancy adding machines and muh algorithms.

doubledog said:

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It is 3:00pm do you know where your representative is?

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Nice to see Stan Gerdes decided to actually show up and pretend to be a republican again instead of joining with the Ds that ran away, like he did when he voted for speaker.

Demosthenes81 said:

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I would love to see Abbott call the DOJ and request marshals pick up the dems who crossed state lines and ship them back to Texas tonight.

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Interesting thought with Abbott accusing them of felonies. Also makes me wonder if the Ds were dumb enough to go somewhere that the state police might be more inclined to pick up and extradite a group of charged felons than their city counterparts might be.

The felony charge is a bribery allegation. That will require a grand jury indictment and will take time to become actionable.

The abandonment of the House is a misdemeanor and that warrant will not normally cross state lines without strong support in the other state.

I think it is clear that there are quite a few Ds that will never be able to be removed because the local DA will not take part. But are there some that serve districts that are in R led counties? How many Ds could potentially be removed? And would the rest of the Ds see the loss of those seats as enough of a threat to come back to prevent such proceedings from moving forward?

flown-the-coop said:

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You still have to account for challenges regarding the 14th and 15th. Remember, that saying "because that is what the math and data says the result is" is inherently systemically racist and a reflection of white privilege and their plug in fancy adding machines and muh algorithms.

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nvm. No middle ground and probably deserves a different thread.

Troy91 said:

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The felony charge is a bribery allegation. That will require a grand jury indictment and will take time to become actionable.

The abandonment of the House is a misdemeanor and that warrant will not normally cross state lines without strong support in the other state.

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Well lets fire up the grand jury and start by subpoenaing the Ds who fled to ask them under oath if anybody has offered or is helping to pay their fines. If they don't show up to testify, add skipping the subpoena to their charges. Then start dragging in the people offering raising the funds to pay the fines and get them under oath. Maybe charge them with attempted bribery for raising the funds. Lets see how much pain we can inflict on the left and its funding apparatus before they decide that the inevitable is actually inevitable.

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doubledog said:

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It is 3:00pm do you know where your representative is?

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Giovanni Capriglione? Probably banging some stripper behind a Chuck E. Cheese.

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You make it sound like that is a Bad Thing.

Eff it

Dems want to play politics games?

Let's play