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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:
I've never understood why were hold other parts of the world as the standard for what should be done. That's not the U.S. I grew up in.

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When other parts of the world CLEARLY have healthier food we should take a look at what they're doing. It's a warning label, not a ban on those ingredients. The US I grew up in gave a damn about it's citizens' diet, or so I thought.

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It still isn't hard to eat healthy cleaner options in the US. It's just more expensive and doesn't taste as good. People eat ****ty because they want to, not because a corporation is shoving it down their throats.

I know a lot of the food eat is terrible. But it tastes good and medical science allows us to live longer anyway so who gives a ***** We will all die anyway.

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:
I've never understood why were hold other parts of the world as the standard for what should be done. That's not the U.S. I grew up in.

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When other parts of the world CLEARLY have healthier food we should take a look at what they're doing. It's a warning label, not a ban on those ingredients. The US I grew up in gave a damn about it's citizens' diet, or so I thought.

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It still isn't hard to eat healthy cleaner options in the US. It's just more expensive and doesn't taste as good. People eat ****ty because they want to, not because a corporation is shoving it down their throats.

I know a lot of the food eat is terrible. But it tastes good and medical science allows us to live longer anyway so who gives a ***** We will all die anyway.

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Very glad this perspective is dying out.

Eat the slop. Doctors will pump you full of pharmaceuticals to barely keep you alive just long enough to keep the GDP going up at all costs. That bag of skittles is what being American is all about.

Dont Western Europeans also pay 10%-30% more on food than we do in the US? So not only do they have less income, pay higher taxes (especially the middle classes), but also have higher food costs.

Lost in all of this talk about nutritional information, labeling, and additives is farm subsidies for sugar, corn, and wheat. I think having low-cost food is an objective good for society, but one trade-off is a population with higher obesity rates. If we weren't subsidizing our food producers, would consumers have to find 'healthier' options?

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:
I've never understood why were hold other parts of the world as the standard for what should be done. That's not the U.S. I grew up in.

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When other parts of the world CLEARLY have healthier food we should take a look at what they're doing. It's a warning label, not a ban on those ingredients. The US I grew up in gave a damn about it's citizens' diet, or so I thought.

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It still isn't hard to eat healthy cleaner options in the US. It's just more expensive and doesn't taste as good. People eat ****ty because they want to, not because a corporation is shoving it down their throats.

I know a lot of the food eat is terrible. But it tastes good and medical science allows us to live longer anyway so who gives a ***** We will all die anyway.

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Very glad this perspective is dying out.

Eat the slop. Doctors will pump you full of pharmaceuticals to barely keep you alive just long enough to keep the GDP going up at all costs. That bag of skittles is what being American is all about.

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If you're eating Skittles, you're not giving a single solitary **** about health. Red dye or not.

I don't need the govt to tell me they're bad for me.

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Dont Western Europeans also pay 10%-30% more on food than we do in the US? So not only do they have less income, pay higher taxes (especially the middle classes), but also have higher food costs.

Lost in all of this talk about nutritional information, labeling, and additives is farm subsidies for sugar, corn, and wheat. I think having low-cost food is an objective good for society, but one trade-off is a population with higher obesity rates. If we weren't subsidizing our food producers, would consumers have to find 'healthier' options?

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Govt interference, like all liberalism, always costs more. Even this time. Yay!

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I've never understood why were hold other parts of the world as the standard for what should be done. That's not the U.S. I grew up in.

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The U. S. you and I grew up in no longer exists, to a great extent. Do you still trust the CDC, the NIH or the FDA to keep us healthy and provide the best food and drugs to the American people? There are too many people in NGOs and governmental roles that take money from PACs, lobbyists and corporations to put the job and Americans first.

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I'm skeptical but yes, I still trust those institutions. They need to be revamped and corrected.

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Dont Western Europeans also pay 10%-30% more on food than we do in the US? So not only do they have less income, pay higher taxes (especially the middle classes), but also have higher food costs.

Lost in all of this talk about nutritional information, labeling, and additives is farm subsidies for sugar, corn, and wheat. I think having low-cost food is an objective good for society, but one trade-off is a population with higher obesity rates. If we weren't subsidizing our food producers, would consumers have to find 'healthier' options?

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Quality of food is more important than the cost unless it becomes unaffordable which it would not.

Also, obesity accounts for $200-500 billion in excess healthcare costs per year. That is not even accounting for the knock on effects of how much less productive an obese population is than a healthy one.

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I've never understood why were hold other parts of the world as the standard for what should be done. That's not the U.S. I grew up in.

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The U. S. you and I grew up in no longer exists, to a great extent. Do you still trust the CDC, the NIH or the FDA to keep us healthy and provide the best food and drugs to the American people? There are too many people in NGOs and governmental roles that take money from PACs, lobbyists and corporations to put the job and Americans first.

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I'm skeptical but yes, I still trust those institutions. They need to be revamped and corrected.

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LOL

Bless your heart!

I was being facetious. The idea that medical science will just keep as alive even though we are becoming unhealthier by the year is just an absurd, nihilistic view on life.

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I like English food, but they do have some stuff that ends up looking like pure slop.

Yeah, mainly due to hygiene concerns from factory farming. Most chicken in America has to be thoroughly washed in a chlorine bath because of how disgusting those operations can be.

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So should all chicken in US be required to be labeled as "banned by the EU"? Including bags and boxes from KFC and Canes?

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I was being facetious. The idea that medical science will just keep as alive even though we are becoming unhealthier by the year is just an absurd, nihilistic view on life.

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Unhealthier by the year!?

But ..but ...food producers already have been mandated to put their ingredient list on packaging. You mean that even with that market interference people still eat ****ty? How will this be different, other than adding more costs (as all liberal policy does)?

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:
I've never understood why were hold other parts of the world as the standard for what should be done. That's not the U.S. I grew up in.

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When other parts of the world CLEARLY have healthier food we should take a look at what they're doing. It's a warning label, not a ban on those ingredients. The US I grew up in gave a damn about it's citizens' diet, or so I thought.

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So what do you think about their levels of gun violence?

Label on a carton of eggs: "Free Range Eggs"

How far does an egg roam?

I knew that was coming. There are issues that need to be revamped but they are t the evil geniuses people have been convinced of. Different topic.

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I like English food, but they do have some stuff that ends up looking like pure slop.

Yeah, mainly due to hygiene concerns from factory farming. Most chicken in America has to be thoroughly washed in a chlorine bath because of how disgusting those operations can be.

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So should all chicken in US be required to be labeled as "banned by the EU"? Including bags and boxes from KFC and Canes?

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I'd prefer we ban it as well, but making more people aware of the trash they are eating saves a few people from continuing to do so that is a win. The products are already covered in printed labels, adding one more will be negligible.

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The products are already covered in printed labels, adding one more will be negligible

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What labels are on KFC or Canes bags/boxes?

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I was being facetious. The idea that medical science will just keep as alive even though we are becoming unhealthier by the year is just an absurd, nihilistic view on life.

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Unhealthier by the year!?

But ..but ...food producers already have been mandated to put their ingredient list on packaging. You mean that even with that market interference people still eat ****ty? How will this be different, other than adding more costs (as all liberal policy does)?

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The healthcare costs that you currently pay for yearly as a result of mass obesity are far greater than would be the cost of revamping the food system. Not to mention every aspect of society that includes the obese is worse than if it did not. We pay more for everything simple because obese people exist.

Most people are too stupid to make good decisions, we should make it tougher to make bad ones.

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The products are already covered in printed labels, adding one more will be negligible

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What labels are on KFC or Canes bags/boxes?

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I see a lot of wide open space next to the other printed labeling

So "Banned in the EU" is something you believe should be added to chicken fast food containers.


Any other countries?

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I was being facetious. The idea that medical science will just keep as alive even though we are becoming unhealthier by the year is just an absurd, nihilistic view on life.

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Unhealthier by the year!?

But ..but ...food producers already have been mandated to put their ingredient list on packaging. You mean that even with that market interference people still eat ****ty? How will this be different, other than adding more costs (as all liberal policy does)?

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The healthcare costs that you currently pay for yearly as a result of mass obesity are far greater than would be the cost of revamping the food system. Not to mention every aspect of society that includes the obese is worse than if it did not. We pay more for everything simple because obese people exist.

Most people are too stupid to make good decisions, we should make it tougher to make bad ones.

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I agree. We should make it very difficult to vote for either Ds or Rs.

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The products are already covered in printed labels, adding one more will be negligible

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What labels are on KFC or Canes bags/boxes?

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I see a lot of wide open space next to the other printed labeling

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I don't eat out much at all, but that WILL drive up the prices.

I am fine with adding labels that address the concerns about quality whether it includes the fact that they are correctly banned else where or not.

"This chicken is factory farmed and uses a chlorine wash for processing" would be fine if you don't want to admit the EU does something right.

How much does the price of chicken go up when they change the design of their boxes or roll out their seasonal Christmas/holiday/etc. editions?

They are already printing. The cost of adding a new line of text is negligible.

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I am fine with adding labels that address the concerns about quality whether it includes the fact that they are correctly banned else where or not.

"This chicken is factory farmed and uses a chlorine wash for processing" would be fine if you don't want to admit the EU does something right.

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Thank you for your answer, but that was not the question.

Other than EU, what other countries or groups should US fast food that sells American chicken be required to include labels noting that country or group bans chicken?

Australia?
Canada?
UK?
Thailand?

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I am fine with adding labels that address the concerns about quality whether it includes the fact that they are correctly banned else where or not.

"This chicken is factory farmed and uses a chlorine wash for processing" would be fine if you don't want to admit the EU does something right.

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Thank you for your answer, but that was not the question.

Other than EU, what other countries or groups should US fast food that sells American chicken be required to include labels noting that country or group bans chicken?

Australia?
Canada?
UK?
Thailand?

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Personally, I make all my decisions based upon what Papua, New Guinea does.

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The products are already covered in printed labels, adding one more will be negligible

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Calorie counts have been on fast food menus for years, and they have resulted in only modest changes to consumer behavior.

I would argue that the obsession with calorie reduction has been a driver for the use of additives and chemicals. It's like we've convinced ourselves that drinking 6 diet Cokes per day is 'better' than drinking 2 regular Cokes and 4 glasses of water.

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I am fine with adding labels that address the concerns about quality whether it includes the fact that they are correctly banned else where or not.

"This chicken is factory farmed and uses a chlorine wash for processing" would be fine if you don't want to admit the EU does something right.

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Thank you for your answer, but that was not the question.

Other than EU, what other countries or groups should US fast food that sells American chicken be required to include labels noting that country or group bans chicken?

Australia?
Canada?
UK?
Thailand?

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I answered your question and never said the we should label anything that says explicitly one country or entity bans it versus another.

Australia? Higher quality food than us
Canada? Higher quality food than us
UK? Higher quality food than us
Thailand? 3rd world, don't care

If you have to add or modify something to the extent just to be able to sell it for human consumption, label it. Cover your produce in petroleum to extend shelf life? Label. Artificially colored to increase visual value of beef? Label. Chlorine wash so your disgusting factory chicken is edible? Label.

So that's 4 potential labels so far.

Any others?

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I am fine with adding labels that address the concerns about quality whether it includes the fact that they are correctly banned else where or not.

"This chicken is factory farmed and uses a chlorine wash for processing" would be fine if you don't want to admit the EU does something right.

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Thank you for your answer, but that was not the question.

Other than EU, what other countries or groups should US fast food that sells American chicken be required to include labels noting that country or group bans chicken?

Australia?
Canada?
UK?
Thailand?

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I answered your question and never said the we should label anything that says explicitly one country or entity bans it versus another.

Australia? Higher quality food than us
Canada? Higher quality food than us
UK? Higher quality food than us
Thailand? 3rd world, don't care

If you have to add or modify something to the extent just to be able to sell it for human consumption, label it. Cover your produce in petroleum to extend shelf life? Label. Artificially colored to increase visual value of beef? Label. Chlorine wash so your disgusting factory chicken is edible? Label.

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Its insane how short sighted lolbertarians are on this topic. They would probably be fine with getting executed, so long as the guillotine is better homes and gardens brand from Walmart. The food kills you just as much, just over a longer period of time.

I've already explained my position.

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I am fine with adding labels that address the concerns about quality whether it includes the fact that they are correctly banned else where or not.

"This chicken is factory farmed and uses a chlorine wash for processing" would be fine if you don't want to admit the EU does something right.

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Thank you for your answer, but that was not the question.

Other than EU, what other countries or groups should US fast food that sells American chicken be required to include labels noting that country or group bans chicken?

Australia?
Canada?
UK?
Thailand?

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I answered your question and never said the we should label anything that says explicitly one country or entity bans it versus another.

Australia? Higher quality food than us
Canada? Higher quality food than us
UK? Higher quality food than us
Thailand? 3rd world, don't care

If you have to add or modify something to the extent just to be able to sell it for human consumption, label it. Cover your produce in petroleum to extend shelf life? Label. Artificially colored to increase visual value of beef? Label. Chlorine wash so your disgusting factory chicken is edible? Label.

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Its insane how short sighted lolbertarians are on this topic. They would probably be fine with getting executed, so long as the guillotine is better homes and gardens brand from Walmart. The food kills you just as much, just over a longer period of time.

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Martha Stewart or GTFO

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So that's 4 potential labels so far.

Any others?

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Lets stop playing with these labels and just make it to where food additives must be proven safe over a period of years BEFORE its added to food and not the other way around. The amount of times corporations have poisoned us en masse and then fessing up 30 years later is way to much to give them any amount of leeway at this point.

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Thankfully, you are here to tell us all how we should be living our lives.

If people are too stupid, why mandate the use of labels and more information? Should we just ban the stuff outright? We need a 'Don't Bake the Cake' meme

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I, for one, am not a libertarian. They are a joke with no moral or logical thinking ability for the most part.

I have no problem with foods being labeled so consumers know what they are getting. I am all for making food safer. If something is not safe, lets address that issue, not depend on foreign lands.

But when you start to require a label noting ANY "first world country" bans a particular food or ingredient, that is where I start to question the logic of such a law.

What if the EU bans soybean oils? Now McDonalds has to label every bag of fires with "BANNED IN THE EU."

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Its insane how short sighted lolbertarians are on this topic

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I, for one, am not a libertarian. They are a joke with no moral or logical thinking ability for the most part.

I have no problem with foods being labeled so consumers know what they are getting.

But when you start to require a label noting ANY "first world country" bans a particular food or ingredient, that is where I start to question the logic of such a law.

What if the EU bans soybean oils? Now McDonalds has to label every bag of fires with "BANNED IN THE EU."

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Look forward to 2LiveCrew coming back to make "Banned in the EU"