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It's just one reason after another when it comes to goaltending for President Trump. And don't pull that what-aboutism. I've said on more than one occasion that President Biden wasn't the second coming of Christ.

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You vote for people that want boys to change in a locker room with my daughter. You lose all credibility with me.

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First, you know nothing about me. Second, I don't give a GD about my credibility with you. The Constitution says your vote is no more special than mine. It's high time rightists should remember that rather than trying to treat anyone left of them like second-class citizens. I'm a husband, father, so, etc… same as you. I can treat rightists with respect. It's how I was raised. The modern-day right cares more about owning libs than actual progress.

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When you continually vote to take away my rights and you lobbied for people like me to have my children taken away from me and me put in a concentration camp because I refused to take an experimental jab that did absolutely nothing - no, you don't treat me with respect.

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I lobbied to take your kids away and put you in a concentration camp? NEWS TO ME. Such a foolish response. And rightists, especially those in Texas, don't have much room to lecture about taking away rights or freedoms. Grow up. HTH

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Democrats overwhelmingly supported putting people who refused the shot in reeducation camps and taking their children away.

FTR, not sure if you're a democrat but the fact that you used the ridiculous term 'rightist' tells me you are for sure one.

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Not an example of me lobbying to take their kids and put them in concentration camps. Nor did I vote for rights to be taken away anymore than you voted to do the same. Your entire post is just a straw man fallacy to make you feel good about owning a lib.

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This is high comedy. Boy, democrats sure do hate RFK and RFK gives it right back to them. I wish more witnesses were as confrontational as him.

https://www.kwtx.com/2025/09/04/rfk-jr-appear-before-senate-committee-amid-cdc-turmoil/

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He's completely unqualified to be in this position. What he's doing is dangerous. Would love to hear from on Doctor on here that agrees with his direction and why.

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What exactly is he doing that is dangerous?

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He's definitely doing dangerous things. He's telling people that they should choose for themselves if they put vaccines (many experimental) in their bodies. Not sure anything is more dangerous than saying "You are free to choose whether or not you want this."

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You serious Clark???

Freedom is a wonderful thing. You are free to be an idiot if you want. You are free to your own opinions. The CDC or any health organization can make their recommendations but ultimately the choice should be the consumer (parent).

We certainly dont need a nanny state where the government makes the decision. Rugged individualism and personal responsibility should rule the day.

You missed the sarcasm. He agrees with you.

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I lobbied to take your kids away and put you in a concentration camp? NEWS TO ME. Such a foolish response. And rightists, especially those in Texas, don't have much room to lecture about taking away rights or freedoms. Grow up. HTH

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I'm interested in the basis of your opinion on this. I can see a reasonable argument that Texas takes away a lot of freedoms from people that want to kill their unborn children, but this is a red herring, as reasonable people can disagree on the personhood of an unborn fetus.

Are you referring to anything else?

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This is high comedy. Boy, democrats sure do hate RFK and RFK gives it right back to them. I wish more witnesses were as confrontational as him.

https://www.kwtx.com/2025/09/04/rfk-jr-appear-before-senate-committee-amid-cdc-turmoil/

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He's completely unqualified to be in this position. What he's doing is dangerous. Would love to hear from on Doctor on here that agrees with his direction and why.

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What exactly is he doing that is dangerous?

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He's definitely doing dangerous things. He's telling people that they should choose for themselves if they put vaccines (many experimental) in their bodies. Not sure anything is more dangerous than saying "You are free to choose whether or not you want this."

Evil *******.

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Bringing the measles back because of freedom would be a bad idea.

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What lies pray tell are you referring too?

Do you agree with RFKs anti vaccine rhetoric? Measles, a solved problem, comes back to Texas because of vaccine scares.

Those kids that died from measles had no underlying conditions, so that throws his theory out that healthy people will survive or that he is okay that people will die from preventable diseases.

How much is death under his leadership is acceptable?

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1) The vaccine was not safe, was not effective, and caused a lot of complications. The people who suffered the worse complications were extremely fit younger athletes in the teens to around 30. This demographic of people had almost zero risk of death from COVID.

2) The MRNA vaccines were not as safe as they were sold to us. There are quite a few documented cases of patients that received the MRNA vaccines whose bodies are still producing spike proteins even though the Virus is gone. We were promised that this was scientifically unpossible.

3) Ventilators were not a safe treatment for COVID.

4) The virus was not dangerous to toddlers, and anyone recommending an untested DNA treatment to toddlers for a disease that had zero risk of death to healthy toddlers was disobeying the Hippocratic oath.

5) The politicians in DC were financially benefitting from COVID even though they denied it.

6) Ivermectin was more effective than the media said it was in treating COVID.

7) "Two weeks to stop the spread" was an outright lie.

This is just for starters.

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What evidence are you using that says the vaccine was not safe? What standard of care are we comparing to? Polio was a vaccine that wasn't nice, and only about 65%, but better than having actual polio no?

Rabies isn't a pleasant shot either, daily shots directly to the stomach, but better than death.

If RFK doesn't know the answer to how many people died from COVID, how do you know more people died from the vaccine?

Is risk of death the only metric or being hospitalized, or just being miserably sick in general is okay for you then? You enjoy the flu? Sinus infections? Diaherra? You have never been sicker than a dog in your life? Probably drink raw milk too.

What MRNA data says it ain't safe? it has been around since the 80s.

The virus was terrible for my kids, so I guess I will take your word for it, not dangerous because they survived but suffered. You know what else sucks? Chicken pox, but now there is a vaccine so you don't have to suffer...

It seems like you are okay with just suffering as long as death isn't involved. You have a ridiculous standard to meet that you know is impossible to meet.

Don't wear seatbelts, they could hurt you more than if you didn't wear them because you'd probably just die otherwise, but you won't be in pain. Also, they aren't 100%. Same with airbags, all required to drive in vehicles or societal health benefits. Vaccines and medicine is no different. It is just that it is more complicated to understand fully.

Two weeks to stop the spread would have worked if people like you didn't become whiny little republicans about it.

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All you need to know about how big pharma operates can be summed up by watching Dopesick on Hulu. The fact that no one from Purdue Pharmacy ever was held responsible is criminal and the fact that the DOJ protected them is even worse. Giving imunity to big pharma for covid shots was so damn irresponsible.

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All FDA approved vaccines are relatively free from lawsuits.

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Except for the J&J version, the COVID treatments are not a traditional vaccine, and were given a special blanket immunity that they should not have been given based on the maturity of the technology.

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My wife and I are as conservative as they come and we both think RFK Jr is an effing moron.

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Did you take the covid "vaccine" and any boosters? Be honest with the forum. Trying to see how real confirmation bias is here.

RFK Jr knows a helluva lot more about this topic than anybody I've ever seen in the history of our government.

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I took the J&J one, because it was that or get fired. I hedged my bets on one bring closer to a traditional vaccine. No boosters.

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I waited as long as I could trying to get the Novovax vaccine, which was a traditional vaccine, not the mRNA version. It was approved internationally but not by our FDA before I was required to be vaccinated for international travel to the BVI.
IMHO the delay in U.S. FDA approval was because of internal ethical corruption within the FDA &CDC. Agaim Again, Dr. Fauci should be behind bars in a Federal prison.
Two things

• I didn't and don't trust mRNA shots
• The mRNA shots require strict frozen guidelines while the traditional protein Novovax vaccine only requires refrigerated storage.

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What lies pray tell are you referring too?

Do you agree with RFKs anti vaccine rhetoric? Measles, a solved problem, comes back to Texas because of vaccine scares.

Those kids that died from measles had no underlying conditions, so that throws his theory out that healthy people will survive or that he is okay that people will die from preventable diseases.

How much is death under his leadership is acceptable?

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1) The vaccine was not safe, was not effective, and caused a lot of complications. The people who suffered the worse complications were extremely fit younger athletes in the teens to around 30. This demographic of people had almost zero risk of death from COVID.

2) The MRNA vaccines were not as safe as they were sold to us. There are quite a few documented cases of patients that received the MRNA vaccines whose bodies are still producing spike proteins even though the Virus is gone. We were promised that this was scientifically unpossible.

3) Ventilators were not a safe treatment for COVID.

4) The virus was not dangerous to toddlers, and anyone recommending an untested DNA treatment to toddlers for a disease that had zero risk of death to healthy toddlers was disobeying the Hippocratic oath.

5) The politicians in DC were financially benefitting from COVID even though they denied it.

6) Ivermectin was more effective than the media said it was in treating COVID.

7) "Two weeks to stop the spread" was an outright lie.

This is just for starters.

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What evidence are you using that says the vaccine was not safe? What standard of care are we comparing to? Polio was a vaccine that wasn't nice, and only about 65%, but better than having actual polio no?

Rabies isn't a pleasant shot either, daily shots directly to the stomach, but better than death.

People dying from myocardia is more than just unpleasant. Especially when those people include elite soccer players, for example. The persistence of the spike protein in some people's blood is absolutely terrible for their immune system.

If RFK doesn't know the answer to how many people died from COVID, how do you know more people died from the vaccine?

Do you know how many people died from COVID? I don't think that you do. I don't think anyone does, because the people that were reporting deaths had an overwhelming financial incentive to lie. Do you know how many slaves died building the pyramids? You don't because the data doesn't exist.

The most reliable measure is excess deaths in America during the time period, but even that is challenged.

Is risk of death the only metric or being hospitalized, or just being miserably sick in general is okay for you then? You enjoy the flu? Sinus infections? Diaherra? You have never been sicker than a dog in your life? Probably drink raw milk too.

The safety profile of aspirin is lightyears different from an unproven DNA therapy that temporarily reprograms your immune system to produce a protein that is damaging to your body. Happy to take an aspirin for a headache or sunburn. Wouldn't take chemo or morphine for either, though.

What MRNA data says it ain't safe? it has been around since the 80s.

There are no FDA approved mRNA therapies outside of COVID treatments that I am aware of. Do you know of any? I find your comment that "it has been around since the 80s" to be either grossly uninformed or disingenuously misleading. The technology has been studied since from before 1980. So has cold fusion. But, cold fusion hasn't "been around since the 80s".

The virus was terrible for my kids, so I guess I will take your word for it, not dangerous because they survived but suffered. You know what else sucks? Chicken pox, but now there is a vaccine so you don't have to suffer...

The mortality data on kids that died from COVID is tiny, and not really disputed. Are you arguing that I am wrong in my assertion that the danger from COVID grew exponentially based on age? Did your kids get the jab? Do you think it was a good recommendation from the CDC for toddlers to get the jab for their own safety?

It seems like you are okay with just suffering as long as death isn't involved. You have a ridiculous standard to meet that you know is impossible to meet.

I don't think that anyone should ever take Chemo unless they are at risk from death. I think that having risk of death as the standard to meet for taking chemo to be reasonable. I hold the same standard with unproven mRNA gene therapies that reprogram your body to create proteins that are harmful to your immune system.

Don't wear seatbelts, they could hurt you more than if you didn't wear them because you'd probably just die otherwise, but you won't be in pain. Also, they aren't 100%. Same with airbags, all required to drive in vehicles or societal health benefits. Vaccines and medicine is no different. It is just that it is more complicated to understand fully.

I would have been happy to wear a seatbelt if it was going to improve my chances of death from COVID the same amount as a seatbelt improves my chances from dying from a car wreck. But, wearing a seatbelt to prevent COVID is about as effective as giving a 5 year old a paper mask to wear in Kindergarten.

Do you deny that the pharmaceutical companies that were selling the vaccines routinely missed the target on how effective the vaccine was?

Two weeks to stop the spread would have worked if people like you didn't become whiny little republicans about it.

LOL. The lie about two weeks to stop the spread wasn't the spreading part, it was the two week part. But, you know that.

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My wife and I are as conservative as they come and we both think RFK Jr is an effing moron.

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Did you take the covid "vaccine" and any boosters? Be honest with the forum. Trying to see how real confirmation bias is here.

RFK Jr knows a helluva lot more about this topic than anybody I've ever seen in the history of our government.

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I took the J&J one, because it was that or get fired. I hedged my bets on one bring closer to a traditional vaccine. No boosters.

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I waited as long as I could trying to get the Novovax vaccine, which was a traditional vaccine, not the mRNA version. It was approved internationally but not by our FDA before I was required to be vaccinated forinternational travel to the BVI.
IMHO the delay in U.S. FDA approval was because of internal ethical corruption within the FDA &CDC. Agaim Dr. Fauci should be behind bars in a Federal prison.
Two things

• I didn't and don't trust mRNA shots
• The mRNA shots require strict frozen guidelines while the traditional protein Novovax vaccine only requires refrigerated storage.

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What the FDA did with Novavax was absolutely criminal. But, that is par for the course for the FDA.

For those that need a reminder, Novavax used an insect model to create the spike protein outside of your body, and then inject the spike protein into your body. It was very much a traditional vaccine, with a proven model, and I would have been much more comfortable taking it if I hadn't come down with COVID in March 2020 before any treatments were available.

The fact that the FDA stonewalled some treatments to placate big pharma is not something new. It's their MO. Yet another reason why we need the head of HHS to be primarily someone armed with a flame thrower.

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I mean, I realize that I am primarily engaging in mental masturbation here against crappy LLMs, but I feel testy this afternoon, and I have fun.

And, it helps me sharpen my sword for discussions with, for example, lunatic zoologists that have a very strong, very uninformed, politically biased, and potentially financially biased, opinions about history.

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This is high comedy. Boy, democrats sure do hate RFK and RFK gives it right back to them. I wish more witnesses were as confrontational as him.

https://www.kwtx.com/2025/09/04/rfk-jr-appear-before-senate-committee-amid-cdc-turmoil/

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He's completely unqualified to be in this position. What he's doing is dangerous. Would love to hear from on Doctor on here that agrees with his direction and why.

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What exactly is he doing that is dangerous?

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He's definitely doing dangerous things. He's telling people that they should choose for themselves if they put vaccines (many experimental) in their bodies. Not sure anything is more dangerous than saying "You are free to choose whether or not you want this."

Evil *******.

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Bringing the measles back because of freedom would be a bad idea.

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If you are worried about measles, and you believe the measles vaccine works, you might have a way to decide for yourself how to be safe against the measles.

I like a whole lot of the MAHA side of Bobby, we have a big time food problem in the USA and it is killing our kids and likely the cause of autism.

As far as the cause of Autism, Bobby said he was doing to tell us this month, so I'm waiting for the big news. My personal opinion is that it is a toxic soup of all the non-food stuff in our food system and old parents.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj0z9nmzvdlo

He has a LONG history of being very anti-vax across the board. He has been pretty shifty when directly asked recently. I'm a big fan of the vaccines we have been using since 1999 as that is a large volume of data to prove safety. There was a great study recently out of Denmark showing that the dose of aluminum received from vaccines does not correlate with autoimmune or neurological problems.
Large Danish Study: No link between vaccines and autism or 49 other health conditions

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It's just one reason after another when it comes to goaltending for President Trump. And don't pull that what-aboutism. I've said on more than one occasion that President Biden wasn't the second coming of Christ.

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You vote for people that want boys to change in a locker room with my daughter. You lose all credibility with me.

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First, you know nothing about me. Second, I don't give a GD about my credibility with you. The Constitution says your vote is no more special than mine. It's high time rightists should remember that rather than trying to treat anyone left of them like second-class citizens. I'm a husband, father, so, etc… same as you. I can treat rightists with respect. It's how I was raised. The modern-day right cares more about owning libs than actual progress.

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When you continually vote to take away my rights and you lobbied for people like me to have my children taken away from me and me put in a concentration camp because I refused to take an experimental jab that did absolutely nothing - no, you don't treat me with respect.

HTH.

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I lobbied to take your kids away and put you in a concentration camp? NEWS TO ME. Such a foolish response. And rightists, especially those in Texas, don't have much room to lecture about taking away rights or freedoms. Grow up. HTH

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Democrats overwhelmingly supported putting people who refused the shot in reeducation camps and taking their children away.

FTR, not sure if you're a democrat but the fact that you used the ridiculous term 'rightist' tells me you are for sure one.

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Not an example of me lobbying to take their kids and put them in concentration camps. Nor did I vote for rights to be taken away anymore than you voted to do the same. Your entire post is just a straw man fallacy to make you feel good about owning a lib.

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I thought Warren's & Bernie's heads were going to LITERALLY explode...

Warren: Are you calling her a LIAR?
Kennedy: Yes.

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The best part was when Bobby yelled at Pocohantas "I know you took $855,000 from pharmaceutical companies!".

She had no reaction to that at all. I love watching RFK Jr putting all of the Branch Covidians in a body bag.

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He's their worst nightmare; as is Trump. Someone not beholden to them for patronage...someone without future political ambition...someone who could give two ****s about what they think...more of this in government.

Right now I believe nothing of what I've ever heard on vaccine efficacy. As soon as I found out CDC employees profited from licensing the drugs they were supposed to regulate, my trust in "their science" went out the door. Some of these vaccines may be just fine...but show me the longitudinal studies on both the shots ability to halt the disease and the incidents of damage. If you can show me 1 but not 2; then you've still got a lot of work to do to convince me it's safe. But, if the people showing the data profited from it; no way in hell am I taking it or recommending it be taken.

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So you don't believe the cdc which was controlled and regulated because scientists could get paid for licensing the drugs, but you are okay with RFK now controlling the CDC who gets paid by his investments pushing fake garbage vitamins your way? Have you ever wondered why RFK is so against science backed studies?

I have some sugar pills to sell you that will help your health improve 100% for only 3 small payments of $29.99 for you. Don't worry, the ingredients are ethnically sourced from China with proper manufacturing controls to guarantee you that at least most of the pills are mostly sugar… and the best part you can trust it, RFK won't want to get in the way of this secret no one is willing to tell you. I promise. Perfectly safe, no lead. That I'm going to tell you about. Doesn't need fda approval either, and it works by just adding water.

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What lies pray tell are you referring too?

Do you agree with RFKs anti vaccine rhetoric? Measles, a solved problem, comes back to Texas because of vaccine scares.

Those kids that died from measles had no underlying conditions, so that throws his theory out that healthy people will survive or that he is okay that people will die from preventable diseases.

How much is death under his leadership is acceptable?

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1) The vaccine was not safe, was not effective, and caused a lot of complications. The people who suffered the worse complications were extremely fit younger athletes in the teens to around 30. This demographic of people had almost zero risk of death from COVID.

2) The MRNA vaccines were not as safe as they were sold to us. There are quite a few documented cases of patients that received the MRNA vaccines whose bodies are still producing spike proteins even though the Virus is gone. We were promised that this was scientifically unpossible.

3) Ventilators were not a safe treatment for COVID.

4) The virus was not dangerous to toddlers, and anyone recommending an untested DNA treatment to toddlers for a disease that had zero risk of death to healthy toddlers was disobeying the Hippocratic oath.

5) The politicians in DC were financially benefitting from COVID even though they denied it.

6) Ivermectin was more effective than the media said it was in treating COVID.

7) "Two weeks to stop the spread" was an outright lie.

This is just for starters.

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What evidence are you using that says the vaccine was not safe? What standard of care are we comparing to? Polio was a vaccine that wasn't nice, and only about 65%, but better than having actual polio no?

Rabies isn't a pleasant shot either, daily shots directly to the stomach, but better than death.

People dying from myocardia is more than just unpleasant. Especially when those people include elite soccer players, for example. The persistence of the spike protein in some people's blood is absolutely terrible for their immune system.

If RFK doesn't know the answer to how many people died from COVID, how do you know more people died from the vaccine?

Do you know how many people died from COVID? I don't think that you do. I don't think anyone does, because the people that were reporting deaths had an overwhelming financial incentive to lie. Do you know how many slaves died building the pyramids? You don't because the data doesn't exist.



The most reliable measure is excess deaths in America during the time period, but even that is challenged.

Is risk of death the only metric or being hospitalized, or just being miserably sick in general is okay for you then? You enjoy the flu? Sinus infections? Diaherra? You have never been sicker than a dog in your life? Probably drink raw milk too.

The safety profile of aspirin is lightyears different from an unproven DNA therapy that temporarily reprograms your immune system to produce a protein that is damaging to your body. Happy to take an aspirin for a headache or sunburn. Wouldn't take chemo or morphine for either, though.

What MRNA data says it ain't safe? it has been around since the 80s.

There are no FDA approved mRNA therapies outside of COVID treatments that I am aware of. Do you know of any? I find your comment that "it has been around since the 80s" to be either grossly uninformed or disingenuously misleading. The technology has been studied since from before 1980. So has cold fusion. But, cold fusion hasn't "been around since the 80s".

The virus was terrible for my kids, so I guess I will take your word for it, not dangerous because they survived but suffered. You know what else sucks? Chicken pox, but now there is a vaccine so you don't have to suffer...

The mortality data on kids that died from COVID is tiny, and not really disputed. Are you arguing that I am wrong in my assertion that the danger from COVID grew exponentially based on age? Did your kids get the jab? Do you think it was a good recommendation from the CDC for toddlers to get the jab for their own safety?

It seems like you are okay with just suffering as long as death isn't involved. You have a ridiculous standard to meet that you know is impossible to meet.

I don't think that anyone should ever take Chemo unless they are at risk from death. I think that having risk of death as the standard to meet for taking chemo to be reasonable. I hold the same standard with unproven mRNA gene therapies that reprogram your body to create proteins that are harmful to your immune system.

Don't wear seatbelts, they could hurt you more than if you didn't wear them because you'd probably just die otherwise, but you won't be in pain. Also, they aren't 100%. Same with airbags, all required to drive in vehicles or societal health benefits. Vaccines and medicine is no different. It is just that it is more complicated to understand fully.

I would have been happy to wear a seatbelt if it was going to improve my chances of death from COVID the same amount as a seatbelt improves my chances from dying from a car wreck. But, wearing a seatbelt to prevent COVID is about as effective as giving a 5 year old a paper mask to wear in Kindergarten.

Do you deny that the pharmaceutical companies that were selling the vaccines routinely missed the target on how effective the vaccine was?

Two weeks to stop the spread would have worked if people like you didn't become whiny little republicans about it.

LOL. The lie about two weeks to stop the spread wasn't the spreading part, it was the two week part. But, you know that.

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You are willfully ignorant. It is okay.

You like that RFK is in control of the FDA because you can't trust FDA or CDC data, then state you won't trust anything not FDA approved...WTF dude. Pick a damn side.

Don't believe the data, but believes the stories of a single soccer player dying due to complications. WTF, be consistent.

If you can't believe doctors and scientists across not just the US, but the globe, then why lower your standard to a guy that is an environmental lawyer with a worm in his brain? Do you trust your meth head neighbor for investment advice too?

How did this guy become your bar of trust? What has he done to convince you so easily? i'm assuming a well educated aggie graduate so easily persuaded.

If you want me to agree with you that crap took place in the CDC, sure, show me the evidence and data that states this, and I will agree. But what evidence and data does RFK have that's superior and more trustworthy? Do we think China is a believable country in data reporting now too? Russia? Like what is this standard that you use to decide whether someone is trustworthy and being intellectually honest?

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It's just one reason after another when it comes to goaltending for President Trump. And don't pull that what-aboutism. I've said on more than one occasion that President Biden wasn't the second coming of Christ.

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You vote for people that want boys to change in a locker room with my daughter. You lose all credibility with me.

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First, you know nothing about me. Second, I don't give a GD about my credibility with you. The Constitution says your vote is no more special than mine. It's high time rightists should remember that rather than trying to treat anyone left of them like second-class citizens. I'm a husband, father, so, etc… same as you. I can treat rightists with respect. It's how I was raised. The modern-day right cares more about owning libs than actual progress.

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When you continually vote to take away my rights and you lobbied for people like me to have my children taken away from me and me put in a concentration camp because I refused to take an experimental jab that did absolutely nothing - no, you don't treat me with respect.

HTH.

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I lobbied to take your kids away and put you in a concentration camp? NEWS TO ME. Such a foolish response. And rightists, especially those in Texas, don't have much room to lecture about taking away rights or freedoms. Grow up. HTH

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Democrats overwhelmingly supported putting people who refused the shot in reeducation camps and taking their children away.

FTR, not sure if you're a democrat but the fact that you used the ridiculous term 'rightist' tells me you are for sure one.

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Not an example of me lobbying to take their kids and put them in concentration camps. Nor did I vote for rights to be taken away anymore than you voted to do the same. Your entire post is just a straw man fallacy to make you feel good about owning a lib.

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Apparently so since you don't. What else do you call misrepresenting my position with extreme claims. They are distortions that I never argued for. They failed to address my original issues on the topic with President Trump. What else do you call it but a strawman fallacy.

If you still don't see it as a strawman, the let's look at all the other logical fallacies made.

Ad Hominem (credibility attack): "You lose all credibility with me" doesn't address the substance of my post, instead just attacking me as a person.

Guilt by Association: They assumed that because I criticized President Trump (and used the term "rightist") that I must be a Dem. And because some Dems supported vaccine mandates, they assume I personally supported not only them, but concentration camps. Another faulty generalization.

Whataboutism/Tu Quoque: Instead of defending President Trump or addressing my point about excuses, they shift to arguing the Dems are just worse. This is classic whataboutism, something I said in my original post don't one at me with.


TLDR: It is a strawman. The conversation was filled with different types of logical fallacies aimed at me.

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You missed the sarcasm. He agrees with you.

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Indeed I did. I did not read multiple pages of prior posts so......

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RFK now controlling the CDC who gets paid by his investments pushing fake garbage vitamins your way?

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Link? I think that this speculation is unfounded.

See what I did there? I identified a single issue that is falsifiable, and challenged you on it. Maybe take some notes.

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Rabies isn't a pleasant shot either, daily shots directly to the stomach, but better than death.

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I don't think that they've given it in the abdomen for years now. Except for the HRIG, it is now given in the arm.

The HRIG is given near the wound.

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You are willfully ignorant. It is okay.
Eyeroll

You like that RFK is in control of the FDA because you can't trust FDA or CDC data, then state you won't trust anything not FDA approved...WTF dude. Pick a damn side.
I never said that. I would have taken the Novavax if I could have, and was pissed that the FDA didn't approve it.

The great thing about the FDA approval process is that it creates a giant mountain of data. I like data. COVID had no data when it was beta tested on the US population. I am very consistent across all topics. If you want to convince me of something, do the math, show your work, bonus points if it is reviewed by others.

Don't believe the data, but believes the stories of a single soccer player dying due to complications. WTF, be consistent.

What data do you think I don't believe? The data that includes people that dies from motorcycle crashes being reported as a COVID death so that the hospital could get more Federal money? Do you or do you not believe that paying a hospital $500 for a treatment if someone died of pneumonia, but will pay $1,000 for the same treatment if that person is coded as dying from COVID creates a moral hazard and in incentive to cheat? Do you have any explanation on why the excess death count WOULDN'T be the best source of COVID deaths?

If you can't believe doctors and scientists across not just the US, but the globe, then why lower your standard to a guy that is an environmental lawyer with a worm in his brain? Do you trust your meth head neighbor for investment advice too?

I am very consistent across all topics. If you want to convince me of something, do the math, show your work, bonus points if it is reviewed by others. I love that RFK is going after our food supply. I don't agree with him on vaccines / autism. I love that he is taking a flame thrower to the absolutely crooked FDA and CDC.

Why wasn't Novavax approved in the US? What is your reasoning? Why was it treated differently that the mRNA vaccines.

How did this guy become your bar of trust? What has he done to convince you so easily? i'm assuming a well educated aggie graduate so easily persuaded.

I am very consistent across all topics. If you want to convince me of something, do the math, show your work, bonus points if it is reviewed by others. I love that RFK is going after our food supply. I don't agree with him on vaccines / autism. I love that he is taking a flame thrower to the absolutely crooked FDA and CDC. I don't "trust" RFK any further than I can throw him.

If you want me to agree with you that crap took place in the CDC, sure, show me the evidence and data that states this, and I will agree. But what evidence and data does RFK have that's superior and more trustworthy? Do we think China is a believable country in data reporting now too? Russia?

What do you mean about "crap that took place at CDC." Can you make a specific point of contention where you disagree with me? What specifically do you need data for? Let me show you how it works. I contend that the CDC recommended that toddlers get the jab and wear paper masks. I also content that toddlers had very low to zero risk for symptoms, and healthy toddlers had way less risk from death than RSV than from COVID. Do you disagree? I can provide you data on that if you will contend that I am lying. Even better if you can provide data to prove me wrong.

Like what is this standard that you use to decide whether someone is trustworthy and being intellectually honest?

Well, not being paid to lie would be a great start. Also, all plenty of examples of bad data where people died of motorcycle crashes and the hospital collected more money by having them coded as being a COVID death. Hell, there are screenshots of the coding instructions at the CDC asking hospitals to code anyone that tested positive with COVID to be assumed to be a COVID death. That is enough problems for me to suspect the data. However, the excess death data is much more believable.

You are doing a great job of lobbing spears without disagreeing with any specific points that I have made.

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I like a whole lot of the MAHA side of Bobby, we have a big time food problem in the USA and it is killing our kids and likely the cause of autism.

As far as the cause of Autism, Bobby said he was doing to tell us this month, so I'm waiting for the big news. My personal opinion is that it is a toxic soup of all the non-food stuff in our food system and old parents.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj0z9nmzvdlo

He has a LONG history of being very anti-vax across the board. He has been pretty shifty when directly asked recently. I'm a big fan of the vaccines we have been using since 1999 as that is a large volume of data to prove safety. There was a great study recently out of Denmark showing that the dose of aluminum received from vaccines does not correlate with autoimmune or neurological problems.
Large Danish Study: No link between vaccines and autism or 49 other health conditions

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The Danish study fudged the data for their primary published result. When you look at the full data conclusion in their supplement, it actually shows a strong link between the amount of aluminum exposure and autism. The authors also have big pharma ties so it's possible this whole article was really just a MAHA hit piece.

https://publichealthpolicyjournal.com

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What evidence are you using that says the vaccine was not safe? What standard of care are we comparing to? Polio was a vaccine that wasn't nice, and only about 65%, but better than having actual polio no?

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Listen Rookie, we lived through it ourselves. We followed the Covid BS in real time and we did our research and made our choices in real time while the world was freaking out and using FORCE to compel the experimental vax on people against against their choice. We educated ourselves on all sides of the issue back then so we are not carrying the water now for RFK or Trump or anyone else.

What evidence and data do you have that show the vaccine was actually safe and effective? Did the vaccine prevent infection? Did the vaccine prevent transmission? Do you know what the risks of adverse events from the vaccine were, including type and severity?and was that information available to the individual at the time of jab? The only honest answer you can give to the above questions is NEGATIVE.

There are many, many, many cases of perfectly healthy individuals receiving the Covid shot and within hours or days facing serious complications and/or death. These are people that faced no real threat from Covid but suffered serious consequences from the "safe & effective vaccine". These risks were known by the manufacturers and the criminals in the FDA and CDC going all the way up to Fauci. The public was kept in the dark making informed consent impossible. Many people were forced into the vax just to stay employed or able to function in society. The evidence of vaccine harm is undeniable.

Secondly, you conflate the novel mRNA "vaccine" with other traditional vaccines like for polio or the chicken pox. They are entirely different in their mechanisms of action and share little resemblance other than being called "vaccines". Prior to Covid-19 there was zero history of mRNA "vaccines" having reached the level of being approved for use and longterm safety and efficacy was of concern. The Covid shot was completely experimental and criminal.

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Rabies isn't a pleasant shot either, daily shots directly to the stomach, but better than death.

If RFK doesn't know the answer to how many people died from COVID, how do you know more people died from the vaccine?

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RFK doesn't know the answer because NOBODY on the planet knows the answer. People who died in car accidents (or gun shot wounds to the head, or cancer) WITH Covid are recorded as dying FROM Covid. Why? Because the hospitals made more $$$$ and higher numbers helped the narrative.

Now, a correlation that can be made is the thousands of healthy people who died (or were severely harmed) immediately following their Jab is something we can at least drill down on a little bit more which is RFK's goal.

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Is risk of death the only metric or being hospitalized, or just being miserably sick in general is okay for you then? You enjoy the flu? Sinus infections? Diaherra? You have never been sicker than a dog in your life? Probably drink raw milk too.

What MRNA data says it ain't safe? it has been around since the 80s.

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Scientists have been experimenting with mRNA going back to the 80's but they were NEVER able to prove safety and efficacy and get the technology approved for use in humans - that is until the emergency use authorization for Covid 19. So after 40 years of development without success they forced it on the masses. Criminal.

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The virus was terrible for my kids, so I guess I will take your word for it, not dangerous because they survived but suffered. You know what else sucks? Chicken pox, but now there is a vaccine so you don't have to suffer...

It seems like you are okay with just suffering as long as death isn't involved. You have a ridiculous standard to meet that you know is impossible to meet.

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Countless people are suffering from serious vaccine injuries and many died from the vaccine. Glad your kids survived.

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Two weeks to stop the spread would have worked if people like you didn't become whiny little republicans about it.

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pretty much every body here (and the entire country) was okay with the 2 weeks to stop the spread. What we resisted and fought back against was everything that followed the 2 weeks….and history shows we were right to do so.

The whole Covid vaccine issue is funny with Republicans yesterday praising President Trump about them. They mentioned nominating President Trump for a Nobel prize for Operation Warp Speed. If rightist think it was so dangerous, why should President Trump get a Nobel prize for introducing such poison? (Don't whatabout Obama. I don't agree with that one either.)

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The whole Covid vaccine issue is funny with Republicans yesterday praising President Trump about them. They mentioned nominating President Trump for a Nobel prize for Operation Warp Speed. If rightist think it was so dangerous, why should President Trump get a Nobel prize for introducing such poison? (Don't whatabout Obama. I don't agree with that one either.)

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Early on many people praised President Trump's efforts to expedite mRNA shots development and approval. Many people forget that President Trump's beliefs in the lockdowns was wrong.

Trump on lockdowns
By April he was changing and by August was against lockdowns.
Coronavirus: President Trump defends tweets against US states' lockdowns Published 18 April 2020

• At his Friday briefing, he said some measures imposed by Minnesota, Michigan and Virginia had been "too tough".
• Earlier, he wrote in a series of tweets: "LIBERATE MINNESOTA", "LIBERATE MICHIGAN

Trump says nationwide lockdown would 'ultimately inflict more harm than it would prevent' PUBLISHED MON, AUG 3 2020

• President Donald Trump insisted Monday that shutting down the United States in an attempt to curb the coronavirus would cause more harm than good.
• He said the U.S. only initially shut down to prevent the overflow of hospitals and to allow U.S. health officials and scientists to learn more about the new virus, including developing effective treatments to fight it.
• While Trump said he would not shut down the U.S., he urged Americans to stay "vigilant" against the coronavirus as U.S. officials begin to see new "flare-ups."

He was a couple of months late in August but was starting to voice his disdain for lockdowns in April. The first known case of COVID in the US was in February.

If you're so proud that he eventually changed his mind due to political inconvenience, then you should acknowledge his failure to move the needle before Jan. 20. Four additional months.

Flying Crowbar said:

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The six-foot rule…

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IIRC, that used to involve picking up chicks when drunk in the 80s and 90s...

If she looked good from 6 feet away, you were good...

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It's just one reason after another when it comes to goaltending for President Trump. And don't pull that what-aboutism. I've said on more than one occasion that President Biden wasn't the second coming of Christ.

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You vote for people that want boys to change in a locker room with my daughter. You lose all credibility with me.

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First, you know nothing about me. Second, I don't give a GD about my credibility with you. The Constitution says your vote is no more special than mine. It's high time rightists should remember that rather than trying to treat anyone left of them like second-class citizens. I'm a husband, father, so, etc… same as you. I can treat rightists with respect. It's how I was raised. The modern-day right cares more about owning libs than actual progress.

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When you continually vote to take away my rights and you lobbied for people like me to have my children taken away from me and me put in a concentration camp because I refused to take an experimental jab that did absolutely nothing - no, you don't treat me with respect.

HTH.

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I lobbied to take your kids away and put you in a concentration camp? NEWS TO ME. Such a foolish response. And rightists, especially those in Texas, don't have much room to lecture about taking away rights or freedoms. Grow up. HTH

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What "rights or freedoms" have been taken away in Texas?

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This is high comedy. Boy, democrats sure do hate RFK and RFK gives it right back to them. I wish more witnesses were as confrontational as him.

https://www.kwtx.com/2025/09/04/rfk-jr-appear-before-senate-committee-amid-cdc-turmoil/

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He's completely unqualified to be in this position. What he's doing is dangerous. Would love to hear from on Doctor on here that agrees with his direction and why.

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What exactly is he doing that is dangerous?

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He's definitely doing dangerous things. He's telling people that they should choose for themselves if they put vaccines (many experimental) in their bodies. Not sure anything is more dangerous than saying "You are free to choose whether or not you want this."

Evil *******.

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Bringing the measles back because of freedom would be a bad idea.

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If you are worried about measles, and you believe the measles vaccine works, you might have a way to decide for yourself how to be safe against the measles.

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Well the vaccine made the measles disappear. It's not an opinion if it works.

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The whole Covid vaccine issue is funny with Republicans yesterday praising President Trump about them. They mentioned nominating President Trump for a Nobel prize for Operation Warp Speed. If rightist think it was so dangerous, why should President Trump get a Nobel prize for introducing such poison? (Don't whatabout Obama. I don't agree with that one either.)

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One thing is for certain, the amount of global collaboration in the scientific community around COVID was pretty impressive, and, in my understanding, was unprecedented.

There is a huge difference between getting the worlds best virologists on board to better understand the virus and treatments to the virus, and making an experimental gene therapy mandatory for anyone that wants to keep a job. Mandating that the entire US armed forces get an experimental mRNA jab, telling parents to use an experimental gene therapy on their toddlers, closing down businesses and mandating useless paper masks, all of that was pure tyranny.

Recall that Trump was one of the biggest supporters of operation warp speed AND Ivermectin AND re-opening the US before the end of 2020.

My only fault with Trump on COVID is not ****-canning Fauci sometime around July 2020.

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Bringing the measles back because of freedom would be a bad idea.

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If you are worried about measles, and you believe the measles vaccine works, you might have a way to decide for yourself how to be safe against the measles.

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Well the vaccine made the measles disappear. It's not an opinion if it works.

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I totally agree.

So, if you can protect yourself and your family with a vaccine, and it works, and will keep your family safe, why do you want to force other people to take the vaccine?

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KidDoc said:

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I like a whole lot of the MAHA side of Bobby, we have a big time food problem in the USA and it is killing our kids and likely the cause of autism.

As far as the cause of Autism, Bobby said he was doing to tell us this month, so I'm waiting for the big news. My personal opinion is that it is a toxic soup of all the non-food stuff in our food system and old parents.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj0z9nmzvdlo

He has a LONG history of being very anti-vax across the board. He has been pretty shifty when directly asked recently. I'm a big fan of the vaccines we have been using since 1999 as that is a large volume of data to prove safety. There was a great study recently out of Denmark showing that the dose of aluminum received from vaccines does not correlate with autoimmune or neurological problems.
Large Danish Study: No link between vaccines and autism or 49 other health conditions

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The Danish study fudged the data for their primary published result. When you look at the full data conclusion in their supplement, it actually shows a strong link between the amount of aluminum exposure and autism. The authors also have big pharma ties so it's possible this whole article was really just a MAHA hit piece.

https://publichealthpolicyjournal.com

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Did the study control for the use of antiperspirant? Because there is a ton of aluminum in antiperspirant.

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This is high comedy. Boy, democrats sure do hate RFK and RFK gives it right back to them. I wish more witnesses were as confrontational as him.

https://www.kwtx.com/2025/09/04/rfk-jr-appear-before-senate-committee-amid-cdc-turmoil/

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He's completely unqualified to be in this position. What he's doing is dangerous. Would love to hear from on Doctor on here that agrees with his direction and why.

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What exactly is he doing that is dangerous?

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He's definitely doing dangerous things. He's telling people that they should choose for themselves if they put vaccines (many experimental) in their bodies. Not sure anything is more dangerous than saying "You are free to choose whether or not you want this."

Evil *******.

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Bringing the measles back because of freedom would be a bad idea.

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If you are worried about measles, and you believe the measles vaccine works, you might have a way to decide for yourself how to be safe against the measles.

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Well the vaccine made the measles disappear. It's not an opinion if it works.

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Europe is getting rid of downs syndrome by aborting anyone who has it

It's not an opinion if it works.