Kenneth_2003 said:

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What's the story being this supposed pile of cash?

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There's a $5B contingency fund that has not been tapped, but it is explicitly linked to natural disaster declarations and cannot be legally used for SNAP, from my understanding.

Its exactly an attempt by leftist judges aligned with the Dems to back Trump into a corner to appeal the ruling thereby looking like a heartless tyrant who doesn't want to feed people or comply and then people can blame him still by saying he could have done it all along. They are desperately trying to flip the narrative since the SNAP issue came into this as the shutdown has lingered.

Just don't do it. What is the judge going to do; Hold all of Congress in contempt?

Kenneth_2003 said:

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What's the story behind this supposed pile of cash that is judge and the left want Trump to use for snap??

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If I were King...err...I mean Trump, it would start with the entire budget for the Judicial Branch and go from there. If SCOTUS and their staff want to get paid, they can hurry up and put an end to this district court lawfare BS. Otherwise, nobody in the Judicial Branch gets paid so the executive branch can follow the orders of the one district judge.

Jack wagon. Oatmeal + raisins + hardboiled egg for breakfast, rice, carrots, chicken for lunch, pasta with butter, chicken and green beans for dinner for less than $3.00/day. And I took pricing in Sacramento, CA. What a dork.

Gaeilge said:

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Just don't do it. What is the judge going to do; Hold all of Congress in contempt?

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This is the answer…Trump's hands are tied…take it up with Congress…

I don't think it's specifically linked to natural disasters and my understanding is that it is a SNAP-soecific fund. IIRC it is still supposed to be discretionary. The executive has to declare the spend necessary. In this case I don't see why the Trump admin is blocking it.

Great Trump.

Who?mikejones! said:

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And so Trump will have to appeal to a higher court to not be forced to disburse said payments. We all k ow how the media will frame this story

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Not necessarily when it's a question of constitutionality and separation of powers.

Who?mikejones! said:

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pic.twitter.com/GaXZbasg6U

— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) October 31, 2025

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Man…that's a helluva response by POTUS right there…

Who?mikejones! said:

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pic.twitter.com/GaXZbasg6U

— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) October 31, 2025

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One of the best statements I've seen from him.

Republicans are about to lose this argument on the shutdown. This is why:

People are now getting notice, this week, that their health care premiums, especially those that are on ACA, are going way up. I found this out myself the hard way. I don't want to be on ACA, but I have no choice. There are millions like me. I make a lot of money. Doesn't matter.

My Blue Cross premiums are going up 53%!!! All of the carriers are increasing premiums by a great deal.

On top of this, the Covid era supplemental premium support that was helping upper middle class Americans is going away, which is one of the things Democrats are trying to stop. The combination will double my premium, which is already ridiculously expensive.

The double whammy of those two things is going to shock millions. Many of those people vote Republican because it is the upper middle class that is getting these Covid era subsidies. And people are going to be really upset about it once they realize how bad the problem is. It's the combination of the ridiculous cost increases AND the subsidies going away.

That could be enough to turn the tide, and its just dawned on me that this is one of the things that the Democrats are counting on and waiting for. Many people are just now getting it and will be angry. They will want the Republicans to extend these Covid era subsidies and side with the Democrats.

Lol…

That's a whole lot of nonsense. Republicans played this perfectly by flooding the media that the dems won't open the government because they want all those handouts for illegals. That's all the masses know.

Who is forced to pay for those subsidies? Fairies and unicorns?

I'll hang up and listen…

UntoldSpirit said:

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On top of this, the Covid era supplemental premium support that was helping upper middle class Americans is going away, which is one of the things Democrats are trying to stop. The combination will double my premium, which is already ridiculously expensive.

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Upper middle class Americans can pay for their own damn health care!

Just like the rest of us.

AggieT said:

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To be clear, as an upper middle class Republican, you want to continue to receive a government hand out?

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I don't need the handout. But I also wasn't expecting a 53% rate increase. The combination will increase my premium to $3601 per month. A little shocking to say the least.

I'm fine with eliminating the subsidies. But I also see that this is unsustainable. This is going to have a massive effect on people. Health Care is broken to the point that it will soon sink the country.

UntoldSpirit said:

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AggieT said:

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To be clear, as an upper middle class Republican, you want to continue to receive a government hand out?

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I don't need the handout. But I also wasn't expecting a 53% rate increase. The combination will increase my premium to $3601 per month. A little shocking to say the least.

I'm fine with eliminating the subsidies. But I also see that this is unsustainable. This is going to have a massive effect on people. Health Insurance is broken to the point that it will soon sink the country.

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Then get off the Obamacare. There are plenty of options out there in the free market for less than half that. Just look around. It's there.

MemphisAg1 said:

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UntoldSpirit said:

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On top of this, the Covid era supplemental premium support that was helping upper middle class Americans is going away, which is one of the things Democrats are trying to stop. The combination will double my premium, which is already ridiculously expensive.

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Upper middle class Americans can pay for their own damn health care!

Just like the rest of us.

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I agree. However the costs are so high that my point is that people are simply not going to approve the elimination of the subsidy and blame Republicans. That's my point.

MemphisAg1 said:

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UntoldSpirit said:

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AggieT said:

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To be clear, as an upper middle class Republican, you want to continue to receive a government hand out?

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I don't need the handout. But I also wasn't expecting a 53% rate increase. The combination will increase my premium to $3601 per month. A little shocking to say the least.

I'm fine with eliminating the subsidies. But I also see that this is unsustainable. This is going to have a massive effect on people. Health Insurance is broken to the point that it will soon sink the country.

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Then get off the Obamacare. There are plenty of options out there in the free market for less than half that. Just look around. It's there.

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No, not really. I've looked.

And all this is for an HMO Plan.

UntoldSpirit said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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UntoldSpirit said:

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On top of this, the Covid era supplemental premium support that was helping upper middle class Americans is going away, which is one of the things Democrats are trying to stop. The combination will double my premium, which is already ridiculously expensive.

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Upper middle class Americans can pay for their own damn health care!

Just like the rest of us.

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I agree. However the costs are so high that my point is that people are simply not going to approve the elimination of the subsidy and blame Republicans. That's my point.

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Disagree. Unlike the 20 million or some impacted by this, there's another 300 million that are being adversely impacted because the Dems shut the government down over this.

I'm pissed about air travel delays. My wife is pissed about the VA not being available to answer questions on her ailing dad. And plenty of people are pissed about no SNAP benefits.

What's the common thread? The Dems are the ones refusing to fund a temporary clean bill to allow more time for negotiation on the Obamacare stuff.

Even a blind man can see it's the Dems holding this up. Not the R's. They voted 13 times for a clean short term funding bill and the Dems rejected it EVERY TIME!

UntoldSpirit said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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UntoldSpirit said:

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AggieT said:

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To be clear, as an upper middle class Republican, you want to continue to receive a government hand out?

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I don't need the handout. But I also wasn't expecting a 53% rate increase. The combination will increase my premium to $3601 per month. A little shocking to say the least.

I'm fine with eliminating the subsidies. But I also see that this is unsustainable. This is going to have a massive effect on people. Health Insurance is broken to the point that it will soon sink the country.

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Then get off the Obamacare. There are plenty of options out there in the free market for less than half that. Just look around. It's there.

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No, not really. I've looked.

And all this is for an HMO Plan.

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I can get a good PPO plan today for less than half that.

Look harder. It's there.

And how many times did Rs bend the knee and vote for CRs when Ds ruled?

Every damn time…

Ds are the problem…

MemphisAg1 said:

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UntoldSpirit said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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UntoldSpirit said:

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AggieT said:

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To be clear, as an upper middle class Republican, you want to continue to receive a government hand out?

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I don't need the handout. But I also wasn't expecting a 53% rate increase. The combination will increase my premium to $3601 per month. A little shocking to say the least.

I'm fine with eliminating the subsidies. But I also see that this is unsustainable. This is going to have a massive effect on people. Health Insurance is broken to the point that it will soon sink the country.

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Then get off the Obamacare. There are plenty of options out there in the free market for less than half that. Just look around. It's there.

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No, not really. I've looked.

And all this is for an HMO Plan.

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I can get a good PPO plan today for less than half that.

Look harder. It's there.

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Well there are really no (or very few) PPO plans in Texas for individuals. Those got eliminated with Obamacare.

I could get a good plan for less than half that too. Yesterday. Today - it is what it is.

But if you know of a magic bullet, let me in on what carrier I should be looking at. I have a lot of doctors, so keep that in mind. (not trying to be difficult here, so if you have a suggestion, I would appreciate it)

The subsidies can still come back once the government reopens and the negotiations happen. We are just going to demand something else from dems to offset the spending. That is how negotiations work.

MemphisAg1 said:

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UntoldSpirit said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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UntoldSpirit said:

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On top of this, the Covid era supplemental premium support that was helping upper middle class Americans is going away, which is one of the things Democrats are trying to stop. The combination will double my premium, which is already ridiculously expensive.

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Upper middle class Americans can pay for their own damn health care!

Just like the rest of us.

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I agree. However the costs are so high that my point is that people are simply not going to approve the elimination of the subsidy and blame Republicans. That's my point.

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Disagree. Unlike the 20 million or some impacted by this, there's another 300 million that are being adversely impacted because the Dems shut the government down over this.

I'm pissed about air travel delays. My wife is pissed about the VA not being available to answer questions on her ailing dad. And plenty of people are pissed about no SNAP benefits.

What's the common thread? The Dems are the ones refusing to fund a temporary clean bill to allow more time for negotiation on the Obamacare stuff.

Even a blind man can see it's the Dems holding this up. Not the R's. They voted 13 times for a clean short term funding bill and the Dems rejected it EVERY TIME!

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You guys understand that I agree with you about who is at fault. Of course. But how is this polling right now? I would say that Rs have a slight advantage. But as with all things political, it is a small difference. It doesn't take much to flip it.

UntoldSpirit said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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UntoldSpirit said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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UntoldSpirit said:

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AggieT said:

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To be clear, as an upper middle class Republican, you want to continue to receive a government hand out?

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I don't need the handout. But I also wasn't expecting a 53% rate increase. The combination will increase my premium to $3601 per month. A little shocking to say the least.

I'm fine with eliminating the subsidies. But I also see that this is unsustainable. This is going to have a massive effect on people. Health Insurance is broken to the point that it will soon sink the country.

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Then get off the Obamacare. There are plenty of options out there in the free market for less than half that. Just look around. It's there.

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No, not really. I've looked.

And all this is for an HMO Plan.

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I can get a good PPO plan today for less than half that.

Look harder. It's there.

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Well there are really no (are very few) PPO plans in Texas for individuals. Those got eliminated with Obamacare.

I could get a good plan for less than half that too. Yesterday. Today - it is what it is.

But if you know of a magic bullet, let me in on what carrier I should be looking at. I have a lot of doctors, so keep that in mind. (not trying to be difficult here, so if you have a suggestion, I would appreciate it)

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Look at associations and insurance companies that work off a membership model. Pay the minimal membership dues and get access to group coverage for decent insurance at market rates. Not cheap because it's not subsidized, but not 2X exorbitant like the rates you were quoting.

txags92 said:

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The subsidies can still come back once the government reopens and the negotiations happen. We are just going to demand something else from dems to offset the spending. That is how negotiations work.

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If that's the plan, then in order to win the PR war, that needs to be more publicly stated.

If you like your plan, you can keep your plan! Yeah right.

UntoldSpirit said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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UntoldSpirit said:

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AggieT said:

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To be clear, as an upper middle class Republican, you want to continue to receive a government hand out?

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I don't need the handout. But I also wasn't expecting a 53% rate increase. The combination will increase my premium to $3601 per month. A little shocking to say the least.

I'm fine with eliminating the subsidies. But I also see that this is unsustainable. This is going to have a massive effect on people. Health Insurance is broken to the point that it will soon sink the country.

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Then get off the Obamacare. There are plenty of options out there in the free market for less than half that. Just look around. It's there.

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No, not really. I've looked.

And all this is for an HMO Plan.

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I'm delighted to tell you that you are wrong. I know because my new UHC PPO plan is effective tomorrow. I'm an early retiree and my wife and I just got full medical, dental, and vision for $960 per month.

Cobra was going to be $1800 and ACA was going to be about that much for us. I assume you have kids for yours to cost $3600.

I did not think there were any other other options either, so I'm not bagging on you. I was doing Medishare (still am technically) until I found this PPO. Medishare is better than nothing. That's costing us about $360 per month but I'll kill that shortly.

Find an insurance broker that handles health.

UntoldSpirit said:

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txags92 said:

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The subsidies can still come back once the government reopens and the negotiations happen. We are just going to demand something else from dems to offset the spending. That is how negotiations work.

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If that's the plan, then in order to win the PR war, that needs to be more publicly stated.

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It has been ad nauseum. Th Republicans have repeatedly stated that they are going to cave on these subsidies but only if Democrats reopen the government first.