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EO signed to ban ICE in areas of Chicago
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Trump's repeated lie is that these cities are out of control.
When the city leadership, their local police, and state governors are repeatedly telling you that they have things under control and DO NOT NEED NATIONAL GUARD, that is it. Leave them alone.
State's rights include calling up the NG. The local people know best whether they need NG or not.
Why is this so hard to understand?
When the city leadership, their local police, and state governors are repeatedly telling you that they have things under control and DO NOT NEED NATIONAL GUARD, that is it. Leave them alone.
State's rights include calling up the NG. The local people know best whether they need NG or not.
Why is this so hard to understand?
Ag98and03 said:
Trump's repeated lie is that these cities are out of control.
When the city leadership, their local police, and state governors are repeatedly telling you that they have things under control and DO NOT NEED NATIONAL GUARD, that is it. Leave them alone.
State's rights include calling up the NG. The local people know best whether they need NG or not.
Why is this so hard to understand?
They're lying. What part don't you get?
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How is it authoritarian to round up illegals and protect those who are rounding them up?
Isn't that the function of federal laws and enforcement?
Isn't that the function of federal laws and enforcement?
Ag98and03 said:
Trump's repeated lie is that these cities are out of control.
When the city leadership, their local police, and state governors are repeatedly telling you that they have things under control and DO NOT NEED NATIONAL GUARD, that is it. Leave them alone.
State's rights include calling up the NG. The local people know best whether they need NG or not.
Why is this so hard to understand?
Because it's BS
No, I don't care what CNN or Miss NOW said this time
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Interesting- I get the slippery slope- not fighting you but just wondering as I have out loud for over 4 years - just wondering what role the states played with thousands of illegals being pumped into cities? Did the states know? Did Texas know? Is the federal govt allowed to transplant people by the thousands into cities?
Did the states get paid? They must have because illegals were in hotels that rent was paid for. Airlines and airports knew it. Bus lines knew it.
What law is it that allows this kind of human trafficking? Whole lotta crap went on and now people are saying clean it up and that is frowned upon.
I would say shut off the money to these towns and states unless they want it cleaned up and if cleaned up then some funds can flow.
I know I want my town cleaned up. Who is fighting for me?
Did the states get paid? They must have because illegals were in hotels that rent was paid for. Airlines and airports knew it. Bus lines knew it.
What law is it that allows this kind of human trafficking? Whole lotta crap went on and now people are saying clean it up and that is frowned upon.
I would say shut off the money to these towns and states unless they want it cleaned up and if cleaned up then some funds can flow.
I know I want my town cleaned up. Who is fighting for me?
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Logos Stick said:
Arresting illegals is lawful and completely under the control of Federal law.
Your post is complete idiocy filled with strawmen.
Oddly enough my point is exactly what the court decided when they said Trump's deployment of NG to states that do not want the NG is unlawful.
The courts are acting as they are supposed to. Checks and balances help prevent one branch from having too much power.
just create an EO that prohibits illegal immigrants in the same exact zone and have non-ice agents do the arresting
You can't shut off money to states that you disagree with. That's not how this works. Power of the purse belongs to Congress.
Again, another check and balance that for some reason you guys want to destroy.
What happens if a Democrat is in office and decides to cut off Texas funding for whatever reason?
Our Constitution has to hold. Our government laws have to hold. If they don't, we literally can lose our country.
Again, another check and balance that for some reason you guys want to destroy.
What happens if a Democrat is in office and decides to cut off Texas funding for whatever reason?
Our Constitution has to hold. Our government laws have to hold. If they don't, we literally can lose our country.
We have eyes. You may believe the lies from the Marxists. We do not.
The court doesn't have that authority.
Ag98and03 said:Logos Stick said:
Arresting illegals is lawful and completely under the control of Federal law.
Your post is complete idiocy filled with strawmen.
Oddly enough my point is exactly what the court decided when they said Trump's deployment of NG to states that do not want the NG is unlawful.
The courts are acting as they are supposed to. Checks and balances help prevent one branch from having too much power.
This has nothing to do with the NG. Stop derailing the thread and educate yourself.
Ag98and03 said:
Trump's repeated lie is that these cities are out of control.
When the city leadership, their local police, and state governors are repeatedly telling you that they have things under control and DO NOT NEED NATIONAL GUARD, that is it. Leave them alone.
State's rights include calling up the NG. The local people know best whether they need NG or not.
Why is this so hard to understand?
These people broke a federal law so just because it hurts the local people feelings doesn't mean that it can't be cleaned up by the federal government.
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Ag98and03 said:
You guys are fully authoritarian. You want the federal government to shove whatever they want down state's throats.
The president makes up a stupid lie. You guys believe it.
And then you send in NG against the city and state's protests.
This is authoritarianism.
You are ripping state's rights away based on the premise of a lie. This helps no one. You are giving far too much power to the federal government
What happens if a Democrat gets into office and decided MAGA rallies are terrorist activities and sends in the NG against the state's repeated declarations that all criminal activity is under control by the local police?
Do you want a future president to have that power? Are you really thinking this through? I don't think you are.
Can I run for mayor and ban the IRS from collecting Federal taxes from any citizen in my city? Or ban the FBI from arresting people convicted of Federal crimes?
Im pretty sure a mayor can't issue an EO allowing freedom from Federal law for its citizens. If so, my Libertarian paradise city free from Federal tax law may come true after all.
Executive orders are not laws. Federal laws are passed by Congress. State laws are passed by their respective state legislature.
If a president can rule by Executive Order, what is the point of any checks and balances? We are not a monarchy. We do not have kings with absolute power.
You don't want any president to have that power.
If a president can rule by Executive Order, what is the point of any checks and balances? We are not a monarchy. We do not have kings with absolute power.
You don't want any president to have that power.
Power of purse in a shut down belongs to the President.
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Ag98and03 said:
Executive orders are not laws. Federal laws are passed by Congress. State laws are passed by their respective state legislature.
If a president can rule by Executive Order, what is the point of any checks and balances? We are not a monarchy. We do not have kings with absolute power.
You don't want any president to have that power.
Are you not aware that the EO under discussion is the Mayor's EO, not the President's?
BREAKING: Illinois has filed suit to block Trump's deployment of the military to Chicago.https://t.co/yerG9HP6m7 pic.twitter.com/PvIQxcr4ji
— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) October 6, 2025
"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."
- Abraham Lincoln
- Abraham Lincoln
Ag98and03 said:
You guys are fully authoritarian. You want the federal government to shove whatever they want down state's throats.
The president makes up a stupid lie. You guys believe it.
And then you send in NG against the city and state's protests.
This is authoritarianism.
You are ripping state's rights away based on the premise of a lie. This helps no one. You are giving far too much power to the federal government
What happens if a Democrat gets into office and decided MAGA rallies are terrorist activities and sends in the NG against the state's repeated declarations that all criminal activity is under control by the local police?
Do you want a future president to have that power? Are you really thinking this through? I don't think you are.
I am sure you remember back when Obama was president and refused to limit migrants from crossing into Arizona. The state of AZ said - if the feds are not going to do their jobs as outlined in the constitution, then the state of AZ will do it for them. The Obama admin threw a fit and the courts shut that down quickly because immigration is solely under the control of the Federal government. And Congress long ago passed that power on to the executive branch, so your nonsense about authoritarianism when it comes to enforcing immigration laws in this country is just that, nonsense.
I'm 100% certain this mayor was up in arms about any/all of Trump's executive orders (but had no issue with Biden's). His solution? Issue his own Executive Order.
Stinky T said:Ag98and03 said:
You guys are fully authoritarian. You want the federal government to shove whatever they want down state's throats.
The president makes up a stupid lie. You guys believe it.
And then you send in NG against the city and state's protests.
This is authoritarianism.
You are ripping state's rights away based on the premise of a lie. This helps no one. You are giving far too much power to the federal government
What happens if a Democrat gets into office and decided MAGA rallies are terrorist activities and sends in the NG against the state's repeated declarations that all criminal activity is under control by the local police?
Do you want a future president to have that power? Are you really thinking this through? I don't think you are.
I am sure you remember back when Obama was president and refused to limit migrants from crossing into Arizona. The state of AZ said - if the feds are not going to do their jobs as outlined in the constitution, then the state of AZ will do it for them. The Obama admin threw a fit and the courts shut that down quickly because immigration is solely under the control of the Federal government. And Congress long ago passed that power on to the executive branch, so your nonsense about authoritarianism when it comes to enforcing immigration laws in this country is just that, nonsense.
And when TX put up C-Wire and the judge made them take it down.
"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."
- Abraham Lincoln
- Abraham Lincoln
Good luck with that. As of some dumbass mayor can tell the federal government what it can and can't do
Ag98and03 said:
You guys are fully authoritarian. You want the federal government to shove whatever they want down state's throats.
The president makes up a stupid lie. You guys believe it.
And then you send in NG against the city and state's protests.
This is authoritarianism.
You are ripping state's rights away based on the premise of a lie. This helps no one. You are giving far too much power to the federal government
What happens if a Democrat gets into office and decided MAGA rallies are terrorist activities and sends in the NG against the state's repeated declarations that all criminal activity is under control by the local police?
Do you want a future president to have that power? Are you really thinking this through? I don't think you are.
State's rights? Really?
Are you cool with giving states the right to deport illegal aliens within their state out of the country?
To confiscate the assets of illegal aliens that are within their borders under civil forfeiture laws?
I would be totally cool with giving Illinois the right to enforce federal immigration laws as they see fit as long as Texas gets the same rights.
You can't say that states can't enforce federal laws under federalism, and then say the federal government can't enforce federal laws under federalism with the same mouth.
Or, maybe, Democratic states are the only ones with states rights?
He wants to be known as the guy who violently "kicked Trump out"
Ag98and03 said:
You guys are fully authoritarian. You want the federal government to shove whatever they want down state's throats.
The president makes up a stupid lie. You guys believe it.
And then you send in NG against the city and state's protests.
This is authoritarianism.
You are ripping state's rights away based on the premise of a lie. This helps no one. You are giving far too much power to the federal government
What happens if a Democrat gets into office and decided MAGA rallies are terrorist activities and sends in the NG against the state's repeated declarations that all criminal activity is under control by the local police?
Do you want a future president to have that power? Are you really thinking this through? I don't think you are.
Was this authoritarianism and trampling on State's Rights?
John F. Kennedy (1962):
He federalized the Mississippi National Guard on September 30, 1962, to enforce a court order to admit James Meredith, an African American student, to the University of Mississippi. This action was taken after Mississippi's governor attempted to block Meredith's enrollment, which led to a campus-wide riot.
Lyndon B. Johnson (1965):
Johnson federalized the Alabama National Guard in 1965 to protect civil rights marchers walking from Selma to Montgomery. He did this after Alabama's governor, George Wallace, initially refused to provide protection for the marchers.
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Ag98and03 said:
Executive orders are not laws. Federal laws are passed by Congress. State laws are passed by their respective state legislature.
If a president can rule by Executive Order, what is the point of any checks and balances? We are not a monarchy. We do not have kings with absolute power.
You don't want any president to have that power.
An executive order is an order on how to execute laws that are already passed by Congress.
If Congress wants to limit the amount of power the executive branch has, it needs to quit giving away that power by passing laws that explicitly give the executive branch that power.
The real problem here by the Left is that for 3 decades, the federal bureaucracy has been somewhat immune to reforms by incoming presidents. Congress gave power over to a bunch of executive agencies, thinking reform of the agencies would be too difficult.
Now that you have a bully of a president armed with AI technology and weaponized autism (which is way stronger than AI, by the way) that has a lot of Red on the supreme court, the 4th branch of government is getting demolished, and the Dem party is panicking.
Former Acting ICE Director Jonathan Fahey on Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson’s new executive order declaring ICE free zones: “It violates two federal laws. One is the alien harboring law… he specifically says that’s the purpose of it.”
— RedWave Press (@RedWave_Press) October 6, 2025
⁰“It’s also a violation of federal… pic.twitter.com/y6bi63O4f9
"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."
- Abraham Lincoln
- Abraham Lincoln
This is becoming a Constitutional Crisis quickly.
Pritzker and Johnson should be removed from authority over all Illinois Law Enforcement at this point because this is essentially insurrection and in violation of the both the Supremacy Clause AND of the duty of State/Local police to equally enforce the law.
Illinois law enforcement should collectively IGNORE orders to attempt to remove ICE or Federal Agents AND they should also collectively ensure that Federal officials can do their job.
Pritzker and Johnson should be removed from authority over all Illinois Law Enforcement at this point because this is essentially insurrection and in violation of the both the Supremacy Clause AND of the duty of State/Local police to equally enforce the law.
Illinois law enforcement should collectively IGNORE orders to attempt to remove ICE or Federal Agents AND they should also collectively ensure that Federal officials can do their job.
🚨 JUST IN: Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker declares he is "NOT AFRAID" of President Trump and will now "get [DHS Sec. Kristi] Noem's thugs the HELL OUT of Chicago!"
— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) October 6, 2025
"I won't back down."
Pritzker and Brandon Johnson are openly violating the Supremacy Clause.pic.twitter.com/XZCNfoFB8H
Add to that, Eisenhower federalized the Arkansas National Guard in 1957 to protect nine black students who were enrolling in Little Rock Central High School. Eisenhower also sent in 1000 troops from the 101st Airborne.
I guess Pritzker wants to emulate George Wallace standing in the schoolhouse door to prevent federal agents from enrolling black students at the U of Alabama.
Interesting comparison!
Interesting comparison!
We are heading for a nullification crisis similar to 1832 when South Carolina declared Federal tariffs null and void. The crisis re-ignited the debate between states' rights and federal authority. There was compromise and the crisis was averted. 29 years later the War between the States broke out...in South Carolina.
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OldArmy71 said:
I guess Pritzker wants to emulate George Wallace standing in the schoolhouse door to prevent federal agents from enrolling black students at the U of Alabama.
Interesting comparison!
Democrats gonna be Democrats.
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Well they didn't arrest the Los Angeles mayor, but they better arrest this one as well as Pritzker. I've had enough of this *****
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“Some people bring joy wherever they go, and some people bring joy whenever they go.” ~ Mark Twain
Ag98and03 said:Logos Stick said:
Arresting illegals is lawful and completely under the control of Federal law.
Your post is complete idiocy filled with strawmen.
Oddly enough my point is exactly what the court decided when they said Trump's deployment of NG to states that do not want the NG is unlawful.
The courts are acting as they are supposed to. Checks and balances help prevent one branch from having too much power.
No, the courts are just going against Trump because it's Trump. None of these rules they have made over the last 10 months have made sense. They are literally siding with criminals, violence, and crime.
“Some people bring joy wherever they go, and some people bring joy whenever they go.” ~ Mark Twain
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