Why haven't 20 cops cleaned it up? What is law enforcement doing in Portland other than coordinating with antifa?

What won't you defend?

AtomicActuator said:

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About 20 cops could and should clean that mob up. I'd haul them all to jail personally.

But that decision should be made locally, and it should be done by police, not the military.

If the people of the questionably great state of Oregon want to allow this, then it's not the feds' job to step in.

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The people of South Carolina and Charleston wanted Federal troops leave the incomplete Fort Sumter.

What did we call that?

Reaching

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…believe his opinion not the statistics

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which stats are you using that show Chicago as among the most dangerous cities per capita? Everywhere I look, I see Memphis at the top, and Chicago way down the list.

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houston and several other texas cities have higher violent crime rates than chicago. when are we sending in the army to clean those cities up?

Hopefully never.

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Trump saying he may invoke the Insurrection Act because of the Portland situation.

I knew this was always the plan. If not right here, right now, then very soon.

Gather the generals, warn them of the "enemy from within" - I predicted this too. This exact phrase.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/06/trump-insurrection-act-national-guard-00595241

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Unfortunately, progressives felt like unrestrained lawfare against Trump during and after his first presidency was a good idea. Unfortunately, progressives felt like burning cities and intimidating American citizens was a good idea in 2020 (Summer of Love) and 2025 (when you decided to put on your domestic terrorist hat and attack Tesla owners, charging stations, and dealerships)..

Progressives created the fantasy that they were pushing. Congratulations.

Can't seem to find ANY video of conservatives exhibiting this kind of behavior (this is Europe, I think)....
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNWfRLpMWdJ/?igsh=a2poMDhnNWl1NXBp

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AtomicActuator said:

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Tango.Mike said:

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…believe his opinion not the statistics

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which stats are you using that show Chicago as among the most dangerous cities per capita? Everywhere I look, I see Memphis at the top, and Chicago way down the list.

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houston and several other texas cities have higher violent crime rates than chicago. when are we sending in the army to clean those cities up?

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I've lived in both Houston (downtown) and Chicago (downtown). You absolutely can't compare the two.

Not with that attitude you can't. Bust out a calculator and do some comparing. It's fun!

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which stats are you using that show Chicago as among the most dangerous cities per capita? Everywhere I look, I see Memphis at the top, and Chicago way down the list.

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houston and several other texas cities have higher violent crime rates than chicago. when are we sending in the army to clean those cities up?

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Some Democrat cities have higher crime rates compared to other high crime Democrat run cities. Yay

So it is in fact the Fed's job to step in when Federal personnel and property are threatened by the people and politicians of city and state which are openly hostile?

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AtomicActuator said:

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which stats are you using that show Chicago as among the most dangerous cities per capita? Everywhere I look, I see Memphis at the top, and Chicago way down the list.

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houston and several other texas cities have higher violent crime rates than chicago. when are we sending in the army to clean those cities up?

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When the governor and locals stop trying to encourage and support it.

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So it is in fact the Fed's job to step in when Federal personnel and property are threatened by the people and politicians of city and state which are openly hostile?

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Yeah, within reason, and with police personnel, not military.

My understanding of OPs concern, which is warranted considering statements by Trump and Hegseth, is that Trump will declare the protest to be an insurrection and/or rebellion send in combat troops.

That's not "the chase" - it's a thread derail.

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So what if the Portland thing is only a handful of people and a couple of blocks? Great, locals know not to venture into that area.

You're missing the point. Locals should not ever have to stay out of any particular areas of big cities for fear of what a roving band of communists might do to them. There were plenty of videos coming out of various cities in that wonderful summer of 2020 of old ladies being accosted, people in their cars being prevented from moving when they turned on the wrong road, stuff like that. I recall one particularly awful video of a white guy crossing a street, and a black thug ran up behind him and caved in the dude's head with a brick, all while someone else gleefully filmed it.

None of that is acceptable behavior.

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Seriously??
I've lived in the Houston area for almost 30 years, as the city has grown, some "rough areas" are now developed and thriving parts of the city. However, there has been and likely always will be "rough areas" of any metro area. Houston isn't Memphis or New Orleans or Chicago where there are serious areas of the cities that have ridiculously high rates of crime, but I know where I will and won't go at night. And I'm not sure where communists play into the crime in these cities…..apparently a black thug makes one a communist.

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I have a best friend that lives in Portland. The city isn't burning down. The crazy area is a block or two and locals know to stay away. Just like Houston or Dallas or any other city.

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Try visiting yourself. Among my business travel, Portland is as bad as Seattle, LA, and Chicago. San Francisco is the worst.

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And I went to the Notre Dame game and stayed in Chicago. It was awesome. Clean, no homeless, no cops on corners. Went from downtown to Wrigleyville and bar hopped in between. I understand South Chicago is a different area, much like parts of Dallas in San Antonio and other major cities. But downtown Chicago was very impressive.

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You do realize that 27 people were shot, 4 murdered, in Chicago that weekend, right?

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Seems if it isn't in their areas of interest then it isn't a problem.

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Trump saying he may invoke the Insurrection Act because of the Portland situation.

I knew this was always the plan. If not right here, right now, then very soon.

Gather the generals, warn them of the "enemy from within" - I predicted this too. This exact phrase.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/06/trump-insurrection-act-national-guard-00595241

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Well, progressive groups are actively engaging in insurrection in parts of the United States

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I would not be surprised at all if we have a declaration of martial law before the Fall 2026 elections. This is what he is trying to build towards. Mark it!

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This is what TDS looks like. The "resist" crowd all predicted the "martial law!!!" before, during, and after the 2020 election. It was stupid then, just as stupid now. Trump is the most incompetent dictator ever.

The marxist regime needs an invasion of massive unfettered immigration and paths to amnesty by the millions because their destructive policies are unpopular with the citizens so they need to entice new voters with free stuff.

They've used pravda to program low IQ useful idiots to be really angry that there's a bit of resistance to their invasion plan. Low IQ useful idiots, NPCs, and bots, among which many are under mass psychosis and mental illness, actually think the duly elected President is Hitler, and Immigration and Customs Enforcement personnel deporting illegal criminals are just like the Gestapo rounding up the jews an putting them on railcars to concentration camps. This is intentional programming so that they would do things like attempt assassinations and set up blockades and attack feds for simply doing what the citizens elected the government to do. So the feds respond to protect their personnel and property, and the programming is for the idiots to be even angrier. As if the federal government should just sit back and watch their people be attacked day in and day out.

These Portlanders posting videos saying how beautiful, clean, and peaceful Portland is aren't fooling enough people. They and their local government wants feds to be under attack. That's not acceptable.

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So it is in fact the Fed's job to step in when Federal personnel and property are threatened by the people and politicians of city and state which are openly hostile?

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Yeah, within reason, and with police personnel, not military.

My understanding of OPs concern, which is warranted considering statements by Trump and Hegseth, is that Trump will declare the protest to be an insurrection and/or rebellion send in combat troops.

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Ok that's fair, although I don't think the OP's "concern" is in any way warranted. There won't be martial law, elections won't be cancelled and the First Marine Division supported by the 7th Fleet won't be landing in Portland next summer. That's far, far beyond laughably ridiculous.

And the crux of the real world issue is that Federal police personnel were sent first in a fully lawful misssion only to be attacked repeatedly with their attackers protected and even aided by the local government.

Where does that leave us?

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That's not "the chase" - it's a thread derail.

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So you're ok with dem cities rioting, burning, and crime ridden? Sounds like it.

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That's not "the chase" - it's a thread derail.

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No it's not. It's the basis of the federal action in question. It's worth knowing if someone actually even respects the premise of why federal agencies need federal protection in the first place. If you don't even believe federal agencies have 1) a lawful reason to be there and 2) be protected and allowed to carryout those actions then it erodes any argument you are making in respect of it.

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I have a best friend that lives in Portland. The city isn't burning down. The crazy area is a block or two and locals know to stay away. Just like Houston or Dallas or any other city.


So, this begs the question. Why not shut it down if it is just a block or two? Circle the group arrest them, jail them for a few weeks to calm the situation down. Then you have control of your city, not a bunch of anarchists.

I just don't get letting these things continue. All it does is continue to encourage civil disobedience, the left is happy right now with it. However, they will go ape sht crazy when the pendulum shifts and a bunch of Right-wing militants take over city hall in protest. Once you open pandoras box you can't close it very easily.

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Ok, that makes the connection, rather than sending us on a tangent about the specifics of ICE and whether the courts should be allowing them to round people up the way they are.

Yes, ICE and other law-enforcement agencies have the authority to operate in the US, subject to some limitations. And the feds have the authority to use law-enforcement powers to enforce that authority.

Where it gets messy is when they arguably exceed constitutional authority, and the courts have to sort it out, but the events on the ground move faster than the courts.

And obviously, the lawless and violent street takeovers are not constitutionally protected speech, just to get that clear before you ask.

Deploying the National Guard should be very rare, and only if they truly have exhausted civilian options. And regular and reserve troops should not be used unless have actually descended into Civil War already.

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Can you provide a list of topics that Trump is underwater on?

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for starters, on each of these his approval is in the 30s and disapproval in the 50s-60s:

inflation & cost of living
overall economy
tariffs & trade
transparency (epstein records)

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Come on now. You really have to do better than that.
inflation & cost of living - inflation currently is trivial compared to the Biden years
overall economy - stock market at an all-time high
trade and tariffs - trillions and trillions of $$$ of new manufacturing investments in the US because of tariffs
transparency- Tulsi has released boatloads of documents: JFK assassination records, Russiagate records,
MLK assassination records. And you know darn well that it's Democrat judges who are refusing to release the real Epstein records.

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this is actually emblematic of the problem. the only way you could possibly argue trump has improved the economy is to be completely detached from reality with nonsense like this.

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I don't think we live in the same universe.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/08/trump-effect-a-running-list-of-new-u-s-investment-in-president-trumps-second-term/

See the above list.
Committed investments: >3.3 Trillion $$$
Pledged investments: >3.6 Trillion $$$

To me, that's 'trillions and trillions of $$$', and we are only into the 9th month of the Trump Presidency. What do you find objectionable about bringing manufacturing jobs back into America? Biden certainly made no effort to do this nor did Obama.

Can we please get a tag for those with white guilt? It will explain a lot.

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Then it should be federal police, not military, and limited to defending federal property.

Military action on US soil against citizens must remain a last resort, when large groups are in true, open and violent rebellion.

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Agreed, but I look at NG as tantamount to fed police. They work disasters and stuff domestically.

The whiskey rebellion was a bona fide rebellion which justifies military force. The Civil War was a civil war.

That leaves us the civil rights era, which frankly, sucked quite a bit for this country, and the second largest riot we've ever seen, leaving only an oddball strike breaker action by a pretty questionable president.

So yeah, we should use the National Guard with care, and almost never use military regulars.

Seems invoking the Insurrection Act isn't that uncommon.
List of invocations of the Insurrection Act (ETA: KingofHazor brought this up before me, late I am)
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• The act has been invoked in response to 30 incidents, the latest of which was the 1992 Los Angeles riots.

Seems Antifa is a Domestic Terrorist organization hell bent on destroying our Republic. In Portland government officials back Antifa.
Portland's Love Affair With Antifa Grows Deeper: Mayors Vow to Fight for Them and Against ICE
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• The mayors signed an agreement in which they duplicitously argued that without local buy-in, community relationships would be frayed by the mere sight of the National Guard as if having screaming protesters exploding ordnance at the ICE facility in a neighborhood at 3 a.m. without local consent is somehow better for citizens. The agreement affirms that cities will help get legal aid for protesters and promises to interfere legally and otherwise as much as possible with ICE.
• This Antifa favoritism has been going on for quite some time. Recently, in court, the city and police department refused to support angry neighbors' demands that Portland enforce its noise ordinances to stop Antifa's chanting in the middle of the night. The police chief testified in favor of Antifa.

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Ok, that makes the connection, rather than sending us on a tangent about the specifics of ICE and whether the courts should be allowing them to round people up the way they are.

Yes, ICE and other law-enforcement agencies have the authority to operate in the US, subject to some limitations. And the feds have the authority to use law-enforcement powers to enforce that authority.

Where it gets messy is when they arguably exceed constitutional authority, and the courts have to sort it out, but the events on the ground move faster than the courts.

And obviously, the lawless and violent street takeovers are not constitutionally protected speech, just to get that clear before you ask.

Deploying the National Guard should be very rare, and only if they truly have exhausted civilian options. And regular and reserve troops should not be used unless have actually descended into Civil War already.

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Cool so you agree that when a city like LA or Chicago or Portland refuses to stop their own citizens from attacking ICE then calling in the NG is the next logical step

Seems like common sense.

Keep your city safe and there won be a need for additional "help".

Liberal cities tend more dangerous due to their tard ass actions.