cecil77 said:

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Kinda funny to think about. We produced the F-15 from 1972-1997.

So, this would be kinda like if in 1972 we trained foreign pilots in P-51s.

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Timing seems right with the 1975 throwback uniforms and all this weekend.

waitwhat? said:

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Gaeilge said:

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It is for training them on the F-15s they bought. There will be no munitions

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And? Have we done this for another foreign militaries? Genuine question because I do not know.

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Germany has or had a facility in Roswell, NM. 25 years ago while taking a back road to Roswell, a couple of German Tornadoes popped up over a hill and practiced strafing runs on me. I tried to make it difficult on them.

As long as it isn't a branch campus of Qatar Tech.

Having Qatar a strong ally is massively important. Puts way more pressure on Iran and would give us a strong reliable ally in the region, that isn't Israel.

I'm also fairly certain there will be big time guard rails on the capabilities of the site.

cecil77 said:

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Kinda funny to think about. We produced the F-15 from 1972-1997.

So, this would be kinda like if in 1972 we trained foreign pilots in P-51s.

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I believe it is a variation of the F-15EX, still in production and flown by the USAF.

My brother has been in the ME for years training these guys. Maybe now he'll come back to the USA full-time.

Also, their pilots are terrible by the way.

BlackGold said:

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Having Qatar a strong ally is massively important. Puts way more pressure on Iran and would give us a strong reliable ally in the region, that isn't Israel.

I'm also fairly certain there will be big time guard rails on the capabilities of the site.

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Plus, we have (or had) a base in Qatar.

Top Gun 3: Mustafa

F-15s are still being built. These Qataris have about a dozen of the F-15QAs left on their order and Boeing is currently producing 125+ F-15EXs for the USAF. Both are heavily upgraded and very much a 21st century fighter aircraft.

Edit: Brewskis beat me to it.

I understand, but still, the time frames involved.

Not a bad idea to have some of your air force offsite in case someone attacks the home country. Plus you will see these other country's jets flying missions around the pacific .
An incursion into Idaho by a country that is trying to get back at Qatar, would set off all kinds of alarms.

That's the kind of diversity I like to hear.

Some of you are just going to have to give
Up hating trump. There is a method to what some of you think is madness. You are just going to accept the fact there is a big picture and these are just pieces to that puzzle.

Main thing is making sure they don't wander off the base unauthorized.

It's not like the Qataris are getting their own base. They are being allowed to establish a det/sqd/facility on a USAF base for training purposes.

As already noted, we do this all the time for FMS partners. Ebbing was selected to be the home for FMS F-35 training so that the USAF could get them out of Luke. Luke is over crowded and there is a big OPSEC concern with having non-production partner F-35s operating IVO of partner production F-35s. There are some significant differences in both platforms and the F-35 is a massive EM collector as is the F-16V Block 70/72 which both Taiwan and Singapore either already have or are acquiring.

As of Dec 2022, there were at least 4 FMS partners who were going to Ebbing. Singapore F-16s and F-35s, German F-35s, Polish F-35s, Finnish F-35s...those are what I remember off the top of my head. Polish F-35s are already training there. These and other FMS partners are paying their share of the costs to make this happen. When the GAF left Holloman, we acquired their "much more modern than ours" facilities for pennies on the dollar.

Some will train up their pilots and then go home, but Germany and Singapore want to be there permanently. It remains a ANG base, the wing that is running it is the 33d FW out of Eglin. It took five years to work the process and get the first fighters on the ramp at Ebbing. I doubt that the QAF was allowed to move in a Mt Home overnight and that the process has been going on for quite awhile.

what could go wrong? something about allowing ME country to train on our land doesn't stomach well...AT ALL. I don't care if we do this with other countries.

If you sell the gear you also want the service contract.

Sales 101 man

Decay said:

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If you sell the gear you also want the service contract.

Sales 101 man

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Yep and US law (unlike others) requires that you must also buy training, adhere to 3rd party restrictions and allow the system(s) to be monitored by a case manager until end of life and US approved disposal.

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Decay said:

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If you sell the gear you also want the service contract.

Sales 101 man

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Yep and US law (unlike others) requires that you must also buy training, adhere to 3rd party restrictions and allow the system(s) to be monitored by a case manager until end of life and US approved disposal.

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AKA we sell 40-year old airplanes for dollars on the penny and have a continuous cash stream afterwards. Sounds pretty good to me.

Y'all know what this is don't you? This is just the first step in establishing Sharia law in this country. They make it work first in Idaho, then they roll it out everywhere.

Let China buy land, let in all the muslims, get in bed with countries that support terrorists, what could go wrong?

Kyle Field Shade Chaser said:

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what could go wrong? something about allowing ME country to train on our land doesn't stomach well...AT ALL. I don't care if we do this with other countries.

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Now go read the thread.

Brewskis said:

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We do this all the time. Singapore has a unit at Mountain Home AFB where they operate their F-15SGs. I suspect Qatar wants a similar deal for their F-15QAs. Tucson hosts the Taiwanese Air Force F-16s and I believe the Singaporeans also operate their F-16s there as well. Additionally at least a dozen countries send their pilot candidates to our USAF or USN basic training programs.

These are usually part of the purchase of US-built aircraft. Small countries like Taiwan, Singapore and Qatar like these arrangements because it gives them access to huge swaths of training airspace that their home countries can't provide due to size.

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The only difference is the people of Singapore and Taiwan don't want death to all Americans. Hamas leadership was living fat in Qatar and now we're making them stronger militarily? WTF? Is this coming out of our tax dollars?

Not only that, why dont we ever see ICE kicking out Muslims? Weird huh. That jet bought them a lot.

Rapier108 said:

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Germany used to have a squadron at Holloman AFB.

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I saw them flying Tornados once when I was out at WSMR...

Kyle Field Shade Chaser said:

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what could go wrong? something about allowing ME country to train on our land doesn't stomach well...AT ALL. I don't care if we do this with other countries.

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Prior to 1979, we had Iranians at our Senior Military Colleges and it wasn't really that unusual.

The more Middle Easterners that learn about our way of life and embrace it, the better.

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And libs say Trump isn't a uniter, when he's done more for Muslims than any other president before him.

Silly libs.

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hegseth-announces-new-qatari-air-force-facility-idaho-following-partnership-gaza-peace-deal.amp

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Secretary of War Pete Hegseth announced Friday that the Pentagon has agreed to host a new Qatari air force facility in Idaho, saying that the nation has played a "core part" in securing the Gaza peace deal.

"Today, we're announcing a letter of acceptance in building a Qatari Emiri Air Force facility at the Mountain Home Air Force Base in Idaho," Hegseth said.

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Am I missing something here or is this completely unprecedented for the US to do? Why are we allowing a middle eastern military to have presence on US soil?

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We've had foreign nations facilities on US soil for as long as I can remember back. When I worked on Fort Leonard Wood we had dozens of foreign military members training along side our military

I went to flight school in a class with a Jordanian and a Filipino in the late 70s. If they buy U S military hardware we teach them how to use it if they desire.

Kyle Field Shade Chaser said:

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what could go wrong? something about allowing ME country to train on our land doesn't stomach well...AT ALL. I don't care if we do this with other countries.

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We've had ME countries training here in the U.S. for decades

TommyBrady said:

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Dutch Army has an entire barracks on West Ft Hood

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Was passing through there several years ago and ran across several of them at a convenience store

They were all tall as hell

Good god some of you guys are ignorant. We've been training foreigners on US soil forever. Guess what, we also send our people overseas to train allies in their countries. It's part of a long standing military strategy and one of the main reasons that China and/or Russia would lose badly in a global confrontation. The Indo/Pacific is full of arrangements like this.

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TommyBrady said:

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Dutch Army has an entire barracks on West Ft Hood

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Was passing through there several years ago and ran across several of them at a convenience store

They were all tall as hell

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I may or may not snuck a few of them out to a night in Austin and let's just say they nearly created a frenzy with the girls between their accent and jacked build.