The left freaking out about the White House renovations.

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will25u said:

If you are reading this, go check this out.... LOL

1. Go to
https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/the-white-house/
2. Scroll scroll through Major Events Timeline Look around 2023.



I love that they include Clinton/Monica, Obama in a muslim head-dress, Hunter in the tub and his crack, and tits out on the lawn. Pure gold!
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Marvin_Zindler said:

will25u said:

If you are reading this, go check this out.... LOL

1. Go to
https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/the-white-house/
2. Scroll scroll through Major Events Timeline Look around 2023.



I love that they include Clinton/Monica, Obama in a muslim head-dress, Hunter in the tub and his crack, and tits out on the lawn. Pure gold!

If this isn't proof we're living in a simulation and our overlords are just having fun at this point, I don't know what else to say. I about spit out my bourbon when I saw the hunter bathtub pic.
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will25u said:




Trying to use the judicial after the fact and after precedent has been set meaning that everything already done has been legal is a bold move
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This reminds me of the right's reaction to confederate statues.
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Ag87H2O said:

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is he knocking down the entire east wing or just the portico and then adding the ball room? Commenters on X are saying they're just removing the portico. Others are saying he changes his mind and is tearing it all down.

Whats the truth?

The entire east wing is being demolished, and photos confirm it. Trump previously said the building would not be affected - that the ballroom would be near, but not touch the existing east wing.

When renovating buildings, especially old ones, plans changed. Watch some This Old House for reference.

I heard that they ran into issues with the structure during demotion of the portico. I also imagine the East Wing was substandard for HVAC, power, lighting, plumbing, fire suppression, security, etc. There is nothing historic about old mechanical systems, asbestos, and concrete painted white.

Roof also looked in poor condition. Finally, they may be better able to manage the overall aesthetic and scale of ballroom by reworking the East Wing.

Thank God Trump is managing this.

I like it that Trump takes the approach of better to ask forgiveness than permission. Then he doesn't ask for forgiveness.

He's an experienced developer/builder. He knows what it takes to get projects done efficiently, on time, and under budget. He also understands that during complicated renovations that plans change from one minute to the next depending on what they find in the old structure.

This uproar is just the left venting their outrage at not being in control and once again having to watch Trump take the initiative and get things done that will be popular with the public, be beneficial to his administration, and leave an indelible historical mark on Washington. Things that can't undo. It eats them alive.



Yes, he understands bankruptcy very well
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TA-OP said:

This reminds me of the right's reaction to confederate statues.

Not even remotely similar.

Might want to look for a different talking point.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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TA-OP said:

This reminds me of the right's reaction to confederate statues.

And I am reminded of the response from the board's leftists. To paraphrase:

"We're only going after the rebels. Not anyone else."

Later on, we witnessed Christ Church in Alexandria removing memorials to George Washington in addition to Robert E. Lee from the interior of a church they both did much to build. We saw Andrew Jackson's statue removed from New Orleans, a city he and his soldiers fought to save for this nation's benefit. We looked on as proposals existed to remove the statues of individuals not involved with the CSA.

Even Abraham Lincoln himself wasn't safe:



Removed by Boston in 2020.

Changing the White House isn't the same as wiping out the historic memory of the United States because you either hate the country or seek to remove the people from the foundation of its history.
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will25u said:



Never put it past some Obama or Biden judge to issue a TRO just because he/she/zer can.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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The Hill is very concerned about what "we're losing."

Here's what White House loses with East Wing's demolition
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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TexasAggie73 said:

Ag87H2O said:

flown-the-coop said:

Ryan the Temp said:

WestAustinAg said:

is he knocking down the entire east wing or just the portico and then adding the ball room? Commenters on X are saying they're just removing the portico. Others are saying he changes his mind and is tearing it all down.

Whats the truth?

The entire east wing is being demolished, and photos confirm it. Trump previously said the building would not be affected - that the ballroom would be near, but not touch the existing east wing.

When renovating buildings, especially old ones, plans changed. Watch some This Old House for reference.

I heard that they ran into issues with the structure during demotion of the portico. I also imagine the East Wing was substandard for HVAC, power, lighting, plumbing, fire suppression, security, etc. There is nothing historic about old mechanical systems, asbestos, and concrete painted white.

Roof also looked in poor condition. Finally, they may be better able to manage the overall aesthetic and scale of ballroom by reworking the East Wing.

Thank God Trump is managing this.

I like it that Trump takes the approach of better to ask forgiveness than permission. Then he doesn't ask for forgiveness.

He's an experienced developer/builder. He knows what it takes to get projects done efficiently, on time, and under budget. He also understands that during complicated renovations that plans change from one minute to the next depending on what they find in the old structure.

This uproar is just the left venting their outrage at not being in control and once again having to watch Trump take the initiative and get things done that will be popular with the public, be beneficial to his administration, and leave an indelible historical mark on Washington. Things that can't undo. It eats them alive.



Yes, he understands bankruptcy very well

Seems like to me he's doing just fine. How much did you donate to the new East Wing?
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Rapier108 said:

The Hill is very concerned about what "we're losing."

Here's what White House loses with East Wing's demolition

They act like the White House is 100% original and has not been touched since 1800.

If others can change it to suit the needs of their presidencies, then why can't Trump do the same?
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will25u said:



This is likely exactly why Trump kept this out of the headlines and jumped in there and had this done quickly once he was ready to start. Because the Democrats run off the same tired, old lawfare playbook and he knew some whacked out left wing fool would run to the courts and try to stop him and drag the project out for months/years.

Too late.

Going to be hilarious when this thing is completed before the end of Trump's term and he gets to hold the inaugural event in the East Wing Ballroom planned and overseen by him in less than 3 years.
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Henriques said:

Rapier108 said:

The Hill is very concerned about what "we're losing."

Here's what White House loses with East Wing's demolition

They act like the White House is 100% original and has not been touched since 1800.

If others can change it to suit the needs of their presidencies, then why can't Trump do the same?

The East Wing is arguably the least historically significant and most expendable part of the White House complex

ETA - It's also the least architecturally interesting part.
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Ryan the Temp said:

Henriques said:

Rapier108 said:

The Hill is very concerned about what "we're losing."

Here's what White House loses with East Wing's demolition

They act like the White House is 100% original and has not been touched since 1800.

If others can change it to suit the needs of their presidencies, then why can't Trump do the same?

The East Wing is arguably the least historically significant and most expendable part of the White House complex

ETA - It's also the least architecturally interesting part.

Very little of it is original.

In the basement, you can see the "memorials" the British left behind in 1814.

Nearby, you have Eisenhower's bowling alley.

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Libs infatuation with big government has them upset with making a few makeovers to their big gubmit shrine……

It's not like Trump owns the wing. Others after him will use it too and I bet they will enjoy it…..even the libs
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Magneto said:

It's not like Trump owns the wing. Others after him will use it too and I bet they will enjoy it…..even the libs

My stance on the benefits of the project is somewhat unpopular among some of my friends today.
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At the end of the day, liberals simply hate when a Republican makes anything better. Nevermind this doesn't cost a thing for any taxpayers and future Presidents will be able to host large events with other world leaders in attendance instead of having to set up temporary tents on the lawn like we've had to do previously. Because Trump is doing it, they hate it and are against it, nevermind that it's going to look amazing when finished.
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The fact that the left is losing their collective minds over this, yet stood silent while the goons they sympathize with firebombed federal buildings and police stations and defaced landmarks during the "Summer of Love" is fascinating.

Irony so thick you need a steak knife to cut it.
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The Left had no problem tearing down statues for 4 years, but now they're outraged about making improvements to the least historically-significant part of the White House property…

THIS is where we are at…
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ABATTBQ87 said:



This was already covered previously in this thread. This claim is not accurate.

Congress approved the $376 million project in 2008, during the George W. Bush administration. The funding was to rehabilitate, repair, and replace White House infrastructure systems (plumbing, electrical, mechanical), most of which dated back to the Truman reconstruction. The project's cost led to speculation of it being used to mask underground security improvements.
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Which maybe answers the question about how the PEOC, supposedly under the East Wing, didn't seem to be an issue with this weeks demolition. It sure doesn't seem like the gave much consideration to what lies beneath.

Now whether there are tunnels connecting to the Capitol and the Smithsonian Castle, well that's probably another topic.
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Ryan the Temp said:

ABATTBQ87 said:



This was already covered previously in this thread. This claim is not accurate.

Congress approved the $376 million project in 2008, during the George W. Bush administration. The funding was to rehabilitate, repair, and replace White House infrastructure systems (plumbing, electrical, mechanical), most of which dated back to the Truman reconstruction. The project's cost led to speculation of it being used to mask underground security improvements.


This is deflection.

The current project is being done for ZERO tax dollars, but all your buddies are hooting and hollering like it's the end of days.
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Ryan the Temp said:

ABATTBQ87 said:



This was already covered previously in this thread. This claim is not accurate.

Congress approved the $376 million project in 2008, during the George W. Bush administration. The funding was to rehabilitate, repair, and replace White House infrastructure systems (plumbing, electrical, mechanical), most of which dated back to the Truman reconstruction. The project's cost led to speculation of it being used to mask underground security improvements.


Ryan, the PEOC (supposedly under the East Wing) is over 100 yrs old, correct? I wonder if during the initial demo they found structural issues with it that needed to be addressed thus requiring the rest of the structure to have to come down. Or perhaps there were known issues with the PEOC/East Wing and that the structure had to come down via demo (before it came down on its own), and this was all part of the plan.

Article below states the GSA oversaw the 2010 renovations that allegedly were for a 5 story underground bunker. I wonder if construction of this type automatically goes to the GSA and not the other Historical Preservation Agency? I know nothing about this stuff.

Inside Donald Trump's underground bunker at the White House where president hid as protests raged | Daily Mail Online
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Ryan the Temp said:

ABATTBQ87 said:



This was already covered previously in this thread. This claim is not accurate.

Congress approved the $376 million project in 2008, during the George W. Bush administration. The funding was to rehabilitate, repair, and replace White House infrastructure systems (plumbing, electrical, mechanical), most of which dated back to the Truman reconstruction. The project's cost led to speculation of it being used to mask underground security improvements.




That's strange because in August 2017, the West Wing was closed for a two-week renovation period that involved significant maintenance and cosmetic upgrades.
HVAC system: The aging heating, ventilation, and air conditioning system was replaced.

Why would Trump have to replace the HVAC again that was just "supposedly" replaced by Obama according to you????

https://www.popsugar.com/home/completed-white-house-renovations-2017-43945614



"We're going to turn this red Prius into a soup kitchen!"
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TexasAggie73 said:

Ag87H2O said:

flown-the-coop said:

Ryan the Temp said:

WestAustinAg said:

is he knocking down the entire east wing or just the portico and then adding the ball room? Commenters on X are saying they're just removing the portico. Others are saying he changes his mind and is tearing it all down.

Whats the truth?

The entire east wing is being demolished, and photos confirm it. Trump previously said the building would not be affected - that the ballroom would be near, but not touch the existing east wing.

When renovating buildings, especially old ones, plans changed. Watch some This Old House for reference.

I heard that they ran into issues with the structure during demotion of the portico. I also imagine the East Wing was substandard for HVAC, power, lighting, plumbing, fire suppression, security, etc. There is nothing historic about old mechanical systems, asbestos, and concrete painted white.

Roof also looked in poor condition. Finally, they may be better able to manage the overall aesthetic and scale of ballroom by reworking the East Wing.

Thank God Trump is managing this.

I like it that Trump takes the approach of better to ask forgiveness than permission. Then he doesn't ask for forgiveness.

He's an experienced developer/builder. He knows what it takes to get projects done efficiently, on time, and under budget. He also understands that during complicated renovations that plans change from one minute to the next depending on what they find in the old structure.

This uproar is just the left venting their outrage at not being in control and once again having to watch Trump take the initiative and get things done that will be popular with the public, be beneficial to his administration, and leave an indelible historical mark on Washington. Things that can't undo. It eats them alive.



Yes, he understands bankruptcy very well


It gives me hope for humanity that nobody has given a star to this ridiculous talking point. Bankruptcy happens in business. You'd know that if you knew anything about the real world. The man has been involved in over 500 businesses with six bankruptcies. That's a failure rate of <1.2%.

His record aside as determined as the Democrats are to bankrupt this country you'd think they would want a president that at least knows something about the process. You'd think failure would be a selling point for them.
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LOYAL AG said:

TexasAggie73 said:

Ag87H2O said:

flown-the-coop said:

Ryan the Temp said:

WestAustinAg said:

is he knocking down the entire east wing or just the portico and then adding the ball room? Commenters on X are saying they're just removing the portico. Others are saying he changes his mind and is tearing it all down.

Whats the truth?

The entire east wing is being demolished, and photos confirm it. Trump previously said the building would not be affected - that the ballroom would be near, but not touch the existing east wing.

When renovating buildings, especially old ones, plans changed. Watch some This Old House for reference.

I heard that they ran into issues with the structure during demotion of the portico. I also imagine the East Wing was substandard for HVAC, power, lighting, plumbing, fire suppression, security, etc. There is nothing historic about old mechanical systems, asbestos, and concrete painted white.

Roof also looked in poor condition. Finally, they may be better able to manage the overall aesthetic and scale of ballroom by reworking the East Wing.

Thank God Trump is managing this.

I like it that Trump takes the approach of better to ask forgiveness than permission. Then he doesn't ask for forgiveness.

He's an experienced developer/builder. He knows what it takes to get projects done efficiently, on time, and under budget. He also understands that during complicated renovations that plans change from one minute to the next depending on what they find in the old structure.

This uproar is just the left venting their outrage at not being in control and once again having to watch Trump take the initiative and get things done that will be popular with the public, be beneficial to his administration, and leave an indelible historical mark on Washington. Things that can't undo. It eats them alive.



Yes, he understands bankruptcy very well


It gives me hope for humanity that nobody has given a star to this ridiculous talking point. Bankruptcy happens in business. You'd know that if you knew anything about the real world. The man has been involved in over 500 businesses with six bankruptcies. That's a failure rate of <1.2%.

His record aside as determined as the Democrats are to bankrupt this country you'd think they would want a president that at least knows something about the process. You'd think failure would be a selling point for them.


I dont post for stars, especially on this forum. But, my statement is true.
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Politics aside, why is Trump demolishing an entire wing in a historic building? I haven't followed the debate. Could have used open space for a ballroom?
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Of all the things the left has imploded about with Trump, this may be up there with the dumbest. I know I shouldn't be shocked but the oxygen and energy the left and media is expending ginning up outrage over this is high comedy.
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Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

Ryan the Temp said:

ABATTBQ87 said:



This was already covered previously in this thread. This claim is not accurate.

Congress approved the $376 million project in 2008, during the George W. Bush administration. The funding was to rehabilitate, repair, and replace White House infrastructure systems (plumbing, electrical, mechanical), most of which dated back to the Truman reconstruction. The project's cost led to speculation of it being used to mask underground security improvements.




That's strange because in August 2017, the West Wing was closed for a two-week renovation period that involved significant maintenance and cosmetic upgrades.
HVAC system: The aging heating, ventilation, and air conditioning system was replaced.

Why would Trump have to replace the HVAC again that was just "supposedly" replaced by Obama according to you????

https://www.popsugar.com/home/completed-white-house-renovations-2017-43945614





The project spanned across multiple administrations, but maybe it really was just a front for a new secret bunker.
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TexasAggie73 said:

LOYAL AG said:

TexasAggie73 said:

Ag87H2O said:

flown-the-coop said:

Ryan the Temp said:

WestAustinAg said:

is he knocking down the entire east wing or just the portico and then adding the ball room? Commenters on X are saying they're just removing the portico. Others are saying he changes his mind and is tearing it all down.

Whats the truth?

The entire east wing is being demolished, and photos confirm it. Trump previously said the building would not be affected - that the ballroom would be near, but not touch the existing east wing.

When renovating buildings, especially old ones, plans changed. Watch some This Old House for reference.

I heard that they ran into issues with the structure during demotion of the portico. I also imagine the East Wing was substandard for HVAC, power, lighting, plumbing, fire suppression, security, etc. There is nothing historic about old mechanical systems, asbestos, and concrete painted white.

Roof also looked in poor condition. Finally, they may be better able to manage the overall aesthetic and scale of ballroom by reworking the East Wing.

Thank God Trump is managing this.

I like it that Trump takes the approach of better to ask forgiveness than permission. Then he doesn't ask for forgiveness.

He's an experienced developer/builder. He knows what it takes to get projects done efficiently, on time, and under budget. He also understands that during complicated renovations that plans change from one minute to the next depending on what they find in the old structure.

This uproar is just the left venting their outrage at not being in control and once again having to watch Trump take the initiative and get things done that will be popular with the public, be beneficial to his administration, and leave an indelible historical mark on Washington. Things that can't undo. It eats them alive.



Yes, he understands bankruptcy very well


It gives me hope for humanity that nobody has given a star to this ridiculous talking point. Bankruptcy happens in business. You'd know that if you knew anything about the real world. The man has been involved in over 500 businesses with six bankruptcies. That's a failure rate of <1.2%.

His record aside as determined as the Democrats are to bankrupt this country you'd think they would want a president that at least knows something about the process. You'd think failure would be a selling point for them.


I dont post for stars, especially on this forum. But, my statement is true.


Good thing he understand massive success, understand being a great dad, grandfather, and understands how to be the best POTUS this Country has ever had. He also understands what it means to be an American, which is lost on many of his detractors.

I will give you your statement is true. Being the astute businessman he is he understands bankruptcy as well, including how to avoid it and how to drive others like China into it.

Respect Trump, he's making your life better even though you seem to want to hate on him.
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TexasAggie73 said:

LOYAL AG said:

TexasAggie73 said:

Ag87H2O said:

flown-the-coop said:

Ryan the Temp said:

WestAustinAg said:

is he knocking down the entire east wing or just the portico and then adding the ball room? Commenters on X are saying they're just removing the portico. Others are saying he changes his mind and is tearing it all down.

Whats the truth?

The entire east wing is being demolished, and photos confirm it. Trump previously said the building would not be affected - that the ballroom would be near, but not touch the existing east wing.

When renovating buildings, especially old ones, plans changed. Watch some This Old House for reference.

I heard that they ran into issues with the structure during demotion of the portico. I also imagine the East Wing was substandard for HVAC, power, lighting, plumbing, fire suppression, security, etc. There is nothing historic about old mechanical systems, asbestos, and concrete painted white.

Roof also looked in poor condition. Finally, they may be better able to manage the overall aesthetic and scale of ballroom by reworking the East Wing.

Thank God Trump is managing this.

I like it that Trump takes the approach of better to ask forgiveness than permission. Then he doesn't ask for forgiveness.

He's an experienced developer/builder. He knows what it takes to get projects done efficiently, on time, and under budget. He also understands that during complicated renovations that plans change from one minute to the next depending on what they find in the old structure.

This uproar is just the left venting their outrage at not being in control and once again having to watch Trump take the initiative and get things done that will be popular with the public, be beneficial to his administration, and leave an indelible historical mark on Washington. Things that can't undo. It eats them alive.



Yes, he understands bankruptcy very well


It gives me hope for humanity that nobody has given a star to this ridiculous talking point. Bankruptcy happens in business. You'd know that if you knew anything about the real world. The man has been involved in over 500 businesses with six bankruptcies. That's a failure rate of <1.2%.

His record aside as determined as the Democrats are to bankrupt this country you'd think they would want a president that at least knows something about the process. You'd think failure would be a selling point for them.


I dont post for stars, especially on this forum. But, my statement is true.


Didn't say you did. The fact remains everyone ignored you because it's a silly, immature talking point that only people with no real world experience has latched onto. If you somehow think the 1% of his companies that went bankrupt is a blight on his record as a businessman then that tells me you just don't know what you're talking about.

Go back to the corrupt New York AG and her suit for bank fraud. Every bank he supposedly defrauded testified that his organization does business the right way by paying on time with interest and that they will lend to his org in the future. Literally bankruptcy exposes the bank and creditors to not getting paid yet they said they'd do it again. If they thought the bankruptcies were a problem do you think they would have made those statements? Of course not.

Bottom line is spreading that talking point demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of business and the purpose of bankruptcy in the business world. It simply tells me you aren't someone I should take seriously but you don't understand the real world. That's my entire point.
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You enjoy you and your opinions. You don't know me or my background so your opinions about me are worthless. Meanwhile I'll enjoy my trip to Hawaii.
 
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