We need a friendly Federal Judge to rule the signatures invalid? Time to play dirty like the left.

Subpoena Fauci, Schiff, Hunter, et Al in front of Congress for hearings on all the corruption. They cannot plea the 5th (since they are already pardoned). If they lie, that is a new, separate crime after the pardon.

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They're not null. That's not what the article says. We would have a long way to go even if Bondi went after this.

Conservatives on the committee advise Bondi that the 4,245 presidential pardons and commutations issued by the Democrat, 82, should therefore be placed under review and could be considered invalid

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Best to start with the obvious ones. Give the USSC a case where the staff shoved a name in minutes before forging the president's name & he was remote with no communication. Let them rule on THAT case first because the answer SHOULD be an invalidation.

THEN they can get a case where an "planned" pardon is on a partially invalidated document.

Ideally they land on something to the effect that "acts of presidential power require verifiable and specific direction by the president." Verbal or implied exercises should be open to challenge for the preservation of the office holder's powers.

I recall seeing something to the effect of presidential pardons don't even technically need to be in writing. I'm not sure how you could invalidate a pardon unless you could prove Biden knew nothing about it.

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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/house-oversight-committee-says-biden-autopen-pardons-are-null-and-void

Yuge news. That means Hunter and Fauci can be prosecuted.


A new day is here.

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Not Hunter. Daddy signed Hunter's pardon


As far as I know that is the only pardon Biden physically signed

Nothing will come of this and it's time to move on.

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We need a friendly Federal Judge to rule the signatures invalid? Time to play dirty like the left.

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You really don't want that. We need things to improve, not go in a revenge tour.

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Subpoena Fauci, Schiff, Hunter, et Al in front of Congress for hearings on all the corruption. They cannot plea the 5th (since they are already pardoned). If they lie, that is a new, separate crime after the pardon.

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Q: the president (allegedly) pardoned you for crimes against the United States? If you were charged for (X crime against the US), would you raise the pardon in defense of that crime you committed?

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Nothing will come of this and it's time to move on.

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Nothing may come of this. It is absolutely NOT time to move on.

All of this needs to be widely publicized and prevented from ever happening again.

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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Nothing will come of this and it's time to move on.

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Yeah we know what Y'all want.

Fauci should be shot into the sun

These won't be voided. Best case you can hope for is curtailing of future use.

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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Nothing will come of this and it's time to move on.

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Yeah we know what Y'all want.

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Y'all? Please know that your inferencing skills are *****

You can find the procedures to get a pardon at

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/media/977876/dl

Note that it was updated to its current form on "November 23, 2018".

The obligatory nothing will happen post. But seriously, how would you actually prove this? Would be very difficult and I doubt Republicans have the stomach for this fight.

Trump joins and agrees autopen = invalid.

"I am hereby cancelling all Executive Orders, and anything else that was not directly signed by Crooked Joe Biden, because the people who operated the Autopen did so illegally." - President Donald J. Trump 🇺🇸 pic.twitter.com/D5mzIl1Cai

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) November 28, 2025

When is last day of statute of limitations? That's when Bondi probably starts up the grand juries.

Ya that's not how it works. Would take a court to void them and no court is doing that with autopen long since held legal.

So you're saying a president can use an auto pen for an executive order in a subsequent president can't issue an executive order actually signing it with his own signature canceling that executive order???

Executive orders yes, but Trump didn't limit it to that. He said "any document". That would include things like pardons, legislation, etc.

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Trump joins and agrees autopen = invalid.

"I am hereby cancelling all Executive Orders, and anything else that was not directly signed by Crooked Joe Biden, because the people who operated the Autopen did so illegally." - President Donald J. Trump 🇺🇸 pic.twitter.com/D5mzIl1Cai

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) November 28, 2025

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Throw them out.

Congress should be able to override a presidential pardon with a 2/3rds majority. That's a constitutional amendment I could support.

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Executive orders yes, but Trump didn't limit it to that. He said "any document". That would include things like pardons, legislation, etc.

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Legislation requires POTUS to sign. Now, would this be a veto override or a pocket veto? Who knows. Pardons are still up in the air.

There is enough to support Biden was not capable or did not intend to sign pardons, legislation, EOs and similar. That is not settled science. Anyone claiming it is, they are just speculating.

What Biden and friends did during those 4 years is absolutely unprecedented. Way worse than Wilson era. You could make an argument that as his spouse and personal adviser, First Lady Wilson represented POTUS's "will".

Trump is right to challenge and push these issues. All too often the press, the political and the public seem to be okay with these being unsettled in order to maintain decorum and status quo. Time for that to change.

It doesn't matter. The method to declare a president incompetent is via the 25th amendment. You can't do it after the fact. Any attempt to "null" and autopen pardon or legislation will be struck down by a court in about 5 seconds and rightfully so. Presidents aren't required to physically sign anything, even legislation, and haven't been per whitehouse counsel going on 20 years now. Hell, a president doesn't even have to issue a written pardon for it to be valid.

That's not exactly accurate.
The president has to have knowledge and it be his wishes that the auto pen signed for him. Someone else can't make that decision.

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Ya that's not how it works. Would take a court to void them and no court is doing that with autopen long since held legal.

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Trump is making the declaration that Joe's autopen signatures are invalid. We all know the courts will now get involved. This is how the process starts to throw all the illegal signatures in the trash.

Poso going to get people thinking her appointment was not valid. Trolls never quit.

The appointment of Ketanji Brown Jackson was signed by autopen https://t.co/4oX4fprnwn

— Jack Posobiec (@JackPosobiec) November 28, 2025

Hint: there is no requirement a SCOTUS nomination be signed!

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That's not exactly accurate.
The president has to have knowledge and it be his wishes that the auto pen signed for him. Someone else can't make that decision.

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Well ya, Biden tells court he did it, court gives deference to president. The end.

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jt2hunt said:

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That's not exactly accurate.
The president has to have knowledge and it be his wishes that the auto pen signed for him. Someone else can't make that decision.

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Well ya, Biden tells court he did it, court gives deference to president. The end.

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Biden tells the court. LIke in his own words, stands in front of the judge and says "yes your honor, I personally directed that this document was to be signed with the autopen"? Yeah, good luck with that.

Or maybe instead, he could submit a signed affidavit to the court.

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That's not exactly accurate.
The president has to have knowledge and it be his wishes that the auto pen signed for him. Someone else can't make that decision.

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How do you prove that he did or didn't know about it?

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jt2hunt said:

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That's not exactly accurate.
The president has to have knowledge and it be his wishes that the auto pen signed for him. Someone else can't make that decision.

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How do you prove that he did or didn't know about it?

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It needs to be above suspicion like Caesar's wife. Otherwise it's invalid.

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Teslag said:

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jt2hunt said:

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That's not exactly accurate.
The president has to have knowledge and it be his wishes that the auto pen signed for him. Someone else can't make that decision.

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Well ya, Biden tells court he did it, court gives deference to president. The end.

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Biden tells the court. LIke in his own words, stands in front of the judge and says "yes your honor, I personally directed that this document was to be signed with the autopen"? Yeah, good luck with that.

Or maybe instead, he could submit a signed affidavit to the court.

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99% chance if never gets that far and is tossed before he needs to say a thing

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Teslag said:

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jt2hunt said:

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That's not exactly accurate.
The president has to have knowledge and it be his wishes that the auto pen signed for him. Someone else can't make that decision.

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Well ya, Biden tells court he did it, court gives deference to president. The end.

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Biden tells the court. LIke in his own words, stands in front of the judge and says "yes your honor, I personally directed that this document was to be signed with the autopen"? Yeah, good luck with that.

Or maybe instead, he could submit a signed affidavit to the court.

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99% chance if never gets that far and is tossed before he needs to say a thing

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Step back and think not about the mundane procedural parts of the court. This is fundamental to our Country. Not what some law book says about affidavits and tossing cases and similar.

It is a fundamental question for the Country whether a POTUS, who cannot demonstrate he made certain decisions, can have those decisions invalidated.

People may talk of slippery slopes if you side with Trump. But we are at the bottom of the **** pile of slipper slopes by letting questions like this be answered by procedural type legal questions.

I am not saying you are "wrong" based on how we have been acting, I am saying you are wrong based on what needs to be done to save the country.

(Not intending any disrespect by saying you are wrong. Being very pointed in that I disagree with you)

Look I'd love for what you to happen to happen. But realistically it's just not. No president is having his pardons are legislation overturned over something that's been legal for 20 years and the 25th was never invoked.

If nothing else it probably provides moral standing to simply ignore any regulation or rule Biden didn't "really sign". Certainly any EO of Trump's is greater. So none of this nonsense we saw of Obama's not being able to be overturned.

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Look I'd love for what you to happen to happen. But realistically it's just not. No president is having his pardons are legislation overturned over something that's been legal for 20 years and the 25th was never invoked.

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How much do you love what I want to happen?

Cause at some point, we gotta quit wishin and make dreams come true.

A fundamental part of the Magna Carta and previous efforts for such was not democracy per se, but fairness in the eyes of justice. For the oppressed, truly oppressed to be heard. For there to be an end to rules for these and not me.

We really need to quit throwing our hands up with a "well, Judge Wapner says so so it is so" and "sure as **** Judge Judy concurs with the lower court".

If you asked attorneys on here who give a **** about the law, they will admit fairness in the judicial system is now forgotten in thy name of procedure.