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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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jt2hunt said:

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That's not exactly accurate.
The president has to have knowledge and it be his wishes that the auto pen signed for him. Someone else can't make that decision.

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How do you prove that he did or didn't know about it?

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It needs to be above suspicion like Caesar's wife. Otherwise it's invalid.

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Because that's the law or what you want?

Biden on the stand is useless and I'd say he's critical to proving anything.

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TheBonifaceOption said:

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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/house-oversight-committee-says-biden-autopen-pardons-are-null-and-void

Yuge news. That means Hunter and Fauci can be prosecuted.


A new day is here.

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Great news.
Wasn't Hunters pardon the only one signed by hand though?

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I think it was. And that just shows you how completely diabolical that pardon was.

That perverted prat should be in prison.

Wouldn't matter anyway. Pardons don't even have to be written, much less signed.

annie88 said:

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Tea Party said:

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TheBonifaceOption said:

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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/house-oversight-committee-says-biden-autopen-pardons-are-null-and-void

Yuge news. That means Hunter and Fauci can be prosecuted.


A new day is here.

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Great news.
Wasn't Hunters pardon the only one signed by hand though?

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I think it was. And that just shows you how completely diabolical that pardon was.

That perverted prat should be in prison.

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Hunter's misdeeds are nowhere near what Fauci and Milley did.

Teslag said:

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Wouldn't matter anyway. Pardons don't even have to be written, much less signed.

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"I'm pardoning John Smith." is all it takes?

Honest question.

I always thought, for whatever reason, it was a declarative statement that required a legal paper trail.

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annie88 said:

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Tea Party said:

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TheBonifaceOption said:

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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/house-oversight-committee-says-biden-autopen-pardons-are-null-and-void

Yuge news. That means Hunter and Fauci can be prosecuted.


A new day is here.

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Great news.
Wasn't Hunters pardon the only one signed by hand though?

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I think it was. And that just shows you how completely diabolical that pardon was.

That perverted prat should be in prison.

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Hunter's misdeeds are nowhere near what Fauci and Milley did.

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Who cares? They're still bad. He absolutely should be in prison. They all need to go to prison. We're now into comparative crimes?

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TheBonifaceOption said:

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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/house-oversight-committee-says-biden-autopen-pardons-are-null-and-void

Yuge news. That means Hunter and Fauci can be prosecuted.


A new day is here.

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Great news.
Wasn't Hunters pardon the only one signed by hand though?

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I think it was. And that just shows you how completely diabolical that pardon was.

That perverted prat should be in prison.

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Shouldn't that be the case for most everyone who gets a pardon?

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annie88 said:

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Tea Party said:

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TheBonifaceOption said:

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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/house-oversight-committee-says-biden-autopen-pardons-are-null-and-void

Yuge news. That means Hunter and Fauci can be prosecuted.


A new day is here.

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Great news.
Wasn't Hunters pardon the only one signed by hand though?

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I think it was. And that just shows you how completely diabolical that pardon was.

That perverted prat should be in prison.

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Shouldn't that be the case for most everyone who gets a pardon?

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No.

annie88 said:

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annie88 said:

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Tea Party said:

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TheBonifaceOption said:

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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/house-oversight-committee-says-biden-autopen-pardons-are-null-and-void

Yuge news. That means Hunter and Fauci can be prosecuted.


A new day is here.

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Great news.
Wasn't Hunters pardon the only one signed by hand though?

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I think it was. And that just shows you how completely diabolical that pardon was.

That perverted prat should be in prison.

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Shouldn't that be the case for most everyone who gets a pardon?

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No.

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So most of the people getting pardons are innocent?

No. As evidenced by career criminal low-life Hunter Biden getting a pardon for any and all things he may or may not have done for a decade.

Eaton is pointing out that the people that are being pardoned are "criminals" and, thusly, should be in jail/prison - save for said pardon(s).

They're not pardoning FTC for being a sexy *****. They're pardoning people due to crimes.

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Wouldn't matter anyway. Pardons don't even have to be written, much less signed.

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How is the turkey pardoned every Thanksgiving, by written order or verbally? Regardless, Trump showed have considered pardoning the turkey this year by autopen.

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Wouldn't matter anyway. Pardons don't even have to be written, much less signed.

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No, but they do have to be granted by someone with a functioning brain.

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Teslag said:

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Wouldn't matter anyway. Pardons don't even have to be written, much less signed.

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No, but they do have to be granted by someone with a functioning brain.

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Well, I'd wager that AutoPen is now, and has been, smarter than Biden.

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Wouldn't matter anyway. Pardons don't even have to be written, much less signed.

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No, but they do have to be granted by someone with a functioning brain.

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Then, all the pardons issued by Trump, are null and void?

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Wouldn't matter anyway. Pardons don't even have to be written, much less signed.

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No, but they do have to be granted by someone with a functioning brain.

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Then, all the pardons issued by Trump, are null and void?

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Possibly, since he's still pretty liberal.

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Wouldn't matter anyway. Pardons don't even have to be written, much less signed.

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No, but they do have to be granted by someone with a functioning brain.

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Agreed. But unless the 25th is invoked then the deference is to the president being of sound mind

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Teslag said:

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Wouldn't matter anyway. Pardons don't even have to be written, much less signed.

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How is the turkey pardoned every Thanksgiving, by written order or verbally? Regardless, Trump showed have considered pardoning the turkey this year by autopen.

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That is what happened to Waddle. Trump used the auto pen for him and Comer told him it was not valid. Which worked out, cause Trump put them hot womenz in the WH kitchen to make sandmiches for him and Vance. True story.

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Eaton is pointing out that the people that are being pardoned are "criminals" and, thusly, should be in jail/prison - save for said pardon(s).

They're not pardoning FTC for being a sexy *****. They're pardoning people due to crimes.

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I asked for one for the criminal heartbreaks I have dealt out in life. But alas, I must live with my sins.

I did think pardons did have to be in writing. Maybe not, but unlike classification then Trump or any other POTUS cannot just think it so, as it requires an order to XYZ (DOJ, FBP, ?) to effectuate the pardon.

SCOTUS should rule out pre-emptied pardons or overly vague pardons. Pardoning me for being a sexy ***** is specific in some regards, but not enough so IMO to erase exactly which and what crimes.

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BigRobSA said:

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Eaton is pointing out that the people that are being pardoned are "criminals" and, thusly, should be in jail/prison - save for said pardon(s).

They're not pardoning FTC for being a sexy *****. They're pardoning people due to crimes.

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I asked for one for the criminal heartbreaks I have dealt out in life. But alas, I must live with my sins.

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Man-whoors

Donald J. Trump Truth Social Post 05:52 PM EST 12/02/25

Any and all Documents, Proclamations, Executive Orders, Memorandums, or Contracts, signed by Order of the now infamous and unauthorized “AUTOPEN,” within the Administration of Joseph R. Biden Jr., are hereby null, void, and…

— Commentary Donald J. Trump Posts From Truth Social (@TrumpDailyPosts) December 3, 2025

Ball is in Your Court Bondi.

How about we see if we can get someone heading up the indictment team that actually knows what they are doing?

He can't just declare stupid stuff like this on social media and then it.. be or do anything. This is silly.

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He can't just declare stupid stuff like this on social media and then it.. be or do anything. This is silly.

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Why? Biden amendeded the Constitution via social media.

Trump is doing what needs to be done to get SCOTUS to clean up some of these areas OR risk POTUS becoming ever more powerful. The best way to do that is to push the envelope.

Why not just let this play out? Hell, you SHOULD be cheering this on if you believe in our system of government whereby we do not elect a secret cabal of new world order-ists represented by a demented frail crook and his auto pen.

TheBonifaceOption said:

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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/house-oversight-committee-says-biden-autopen-pardons-are-null-and-void

Yuge news. That means Hunter and Fauci can be prosecuted.


A new day is here.

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If it comes to pass I believe Hunter's was actually signed so he is good to go. That said, the best case to me is to see others in Biden's circle go down while Hunter skates free and shines a brighter light on how deeply corrupt Biden was.

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Why not just let this play out? Hell, you SHOULD be cheering this on if you believe in our system of government whereby we do not elect a secret cabal of new world order-ists represented by a demented frail crook and his auto pen.

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What don't understand is why there isn't a committee outing those names and investigating the very existence of that cabal, let alone the auto-pen? The judicial and governing system is a farce until that is clarified.

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Why not just let this play out? Hell, you SHOULD be cheering this on if you believe in our system of government whereby we do not elect a secret cabal of new world order-ists represented by a demented frail crook and his auto pen.

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What don't understand is why there isn't a committee outing those names and investigating the very existence of that cabal, let alone the auto-pen? The judicial and governing system is a farce until that is clarified.

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The only thing a congressional committee has ever done that was productive was providing great entertainment, particularly back in the Howard Hughes days.

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Why not just let this play out? Hell, you SHOULD be cheering this on if you believe in our system of government whereby we do not elect a secret cabal of new world order-ists represented by a demented frail crook and his auto pen.

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What don't understand is why there isn't a committee outing those names and investigating the very existence of that cabal, let alone the auto-pen? The judicial and governing system is a farce until that is clarified.

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The only thing a congressional committee has ever done that was productive was providing great entertainment, particularly back in the Howard Hughes days.

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Probably true Dat. OTOH they are good at aggregating documents and records that later more careful researchers can sift through if they survive past the time of suppression of facts. A very good example is the Pearl Harbor inquiry. All kinds of excellent nuggets. And of course everyone knows the House Committee on the 60's Assassinations. The conclusions are one thing, but the document aggregating quite impressive.

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Why not just let this play out? Hell, you SHOULD be cheering this on if you believe in our system of government whereby we do not elect a secret cabal of new world order-ists represented by a demented frail crook and his auto pen.

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What don't understand is why there isn't a committee outing those names and investigating the very existence of that cabal, let alone the auto-pen? The judicial and governing system is a farce until that is clarified.

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The Senate is making it abundantly clear that they're just letting the clock run on Trump. They have no intention of doing anything meaningful. They won't even approve judges.

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Why not just let this play out? Hell, you SHOULD be cheering this on if you believe in our system of government whereby we do not elect a secret cabal of new world order-ists represented by a demented frail crook and his auto pen.

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What don't understand is why there isn't a committee outing those names and investigating the very existence of that cabal, let alone the auto-pen? The judicial and governing system is a farce until that is clarified.

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The Senate is making it abundantly clear that they're just letting the clock run on Trump. They have no intention of doing anything meaningful. They won't even approve judges.

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Yes. Consider our system a failure state. We needed November 2024 to verify it, but its very clear it can't be reformed. Hopefully next generations don't wreck too much lasting as they carry out the necessary stage sweeping.

There are 47 judicial vacancies right now. Trump has nominated 12. It's not all on the senate here.

Again with the 3D chess.

1. Take this to court and open the door to discoveries or
2. Let it slide and nullify all of Biden's work.

Tough call Dems...

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Again with the 3D chess.

1. Take this to court and open the door to discoveries or
2. Let it slide and nullify all of Biden's work.

Tough call Dems...

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There won't be discovery. It will be almost immediately tossed by a federal district judge.

Gotta get past a motion to dismiss before you get to discovery. And that's what will happen here. As has been mentioned ad nauseum, the 25th amendment is supposed to address this.

There is a fraud aspect of this that most walz right on by. Unauthorized use of the autopen would most certainly result in those documents being... forgeries and thus are not effective.

Biden will at the very least have to offer something to prove up or at least suggest each use was duly authorized.

A real judge is not going to dismiss without at least getting to that point.

If there is some evidence that the DoJ has that the autopen was used fraudulently for that particular pardonee, then I agree with that assessment of how it should play out.

But without that evidence, the autopenned pardon likely stands as prima facie evidence.